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June 6, 2005 5:42:36 PM

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Well we'll never see the likes of these webpages again. Better view it
fast, I have a feeling that they will be expiring pretty soon. :-)

Apple - Power Mac G5 - Performance
"The PowerPC G5 out-shoots the Pentium 4 in a battery of tests. But
it's in the rough-and-tumble of real-world performance that the G5
really shines - shredding the PC's reputation in the process.

The Power Mac G5 puts tremendous creative firepower at your disposal.
Your unfair advantages start with the PowerPC G5, a powerful 64-bit
processor, running at clock speeds of up to 2.7GHz. Combine that with
1.35GHz dual-independent frontside buses, an advanced system
controller, a fast 128-bit 400MHz memory bus and state-of-the-art
expansion, and you begin to understand why the Power Mac G5 is the kind
of machine a PC wouldn't want to compete for a job against. "
http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

Yousuf Khan
Anonymous
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June 6, 2005 5:56:33 PM

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YKhan wrote:
> Well we'll never see the likes of these webpages again. Better view it
> fast, I have a feeling that they will be expiring pretty soon. :-)
>
> Apple - Power Mac G5 - Performance
> "The PowerPC G5 out-shoots the Pentium 4 in a battery of tests. But
> it's in the rough-and-tumble of real-world performance that the G5
> really shines - shredding the PC's reputation in the process.
>
> The Power Mac G5 puts tremendous creative firepower at your disposal.
> Your unfair advantages start with the PowerPC G5, a powerful 64-bit
> processor, running at clock speeds of up to 2.7GHz. Combine that with
> 1.35GHz dual-independent frontside buses, an advanced system
> controller, a fast 128-bit 400MHz memory bus and state-of-the-art
> expansion, and you begin to understand why the Power Mac G5 is the kind
> of machine a PC wouldn't want to compete for a job against. "
> http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
>
This kind of stuff is called *marketing*, and I think it's pretty good.
The people whose work you are sneering at are pros in *their* field.

I wouldn't have a clue as to how clueless people buy computers. Apple
is marketing to a particular kind of professional with the benchmarks
they highlight. I'd be very surprised not to see similar benchmarks
targeted at similar professionals when Apple comes into its new
kingdom, and I'll be surprised if they don't find some way to show that
Apple stomps the competition for its target market.

For the clueless in that particular market segment, it's probably good
enough that everyone else they know in the business uses an Apple, too.
The ads are there so they don't feel as they would be doing something
stupid by following the herd.

All that said, I'd love to know what's really up with those performance
numbers. As you know, there are lies, damned lies, and benchmarks.

RM
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 1:41:20 AM

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Oh BTW, it looks like Jobs used a Pentium 4 to demonstrate Mac OS X
today, rather than Pentium-M.

Yousuf Khan
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 3:13:53 AM

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rbmyersusa@gmail.com wrote:
> This kind of stuff is called *marketing*, and I think it's pretty good.
> The people whose work you are sneering at are pros in *their* field.

And you of course are completely missing the point. The point being that
the processors that they are attacking in these ads, they are now
using. :-)

Yousuf Khan
June 7, 2005 3:59:38 AM

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On 6 Jun 2005 13:42:36 -0700, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:

>Well we'll never see the likes of these webpages again. Better view it
>fast, I have a feeling that they will be expiring pretty soon. :-)
>
>Apple - Power Mac G5 - Performance
>"The PowerPC G5 out-shoots the Pentium 4 in a battery of tests. But
>it's in the rough-and-tumble of real-world performance that the G5
>really shines - shredding the PC's reputation in the process.
>
>The Power Mac G5 puts tremendous creative firepower at your disposal.
>Your unfair advantages start with the PowerPC G5, a powerful 64-bit
>processor, running at clock speeds of up to 2.7GHz. Combine that with
>1.35GHz dual-independent frontside buses, an advanced system
>controller, a fast 128-bit 400MHz memory bus and state-of-the-art
>expansion, and you begin to understand why the Power Mac G5 is the kind
>of machine a PC wouldn't want to compete for a job against. "
>http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
>
> Yousuf Khan
INTC co-marketing $$$ will spin it the other way quite soon (as soon
as Intel Inside Mac is ready to get released).

;-)
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 3:59:39 AM

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nobody@nowhere.net wrote:
> INTC co-marketing $$$ will spin it the other way quite soon (as soon
> as Intel Inside Mac is ready to get released).
>
> ;-)

Yeah, that's true. Didn't even think of that.

Yousuf Khan
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 9:03:36 AM

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:13:53 -0400, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com>
wrote:

>rbmyersusa@gmail.com wrote:
>> This kind of stuff is called *marketing*, and I think it's pretty good.
>> The people whose work you are sneering at are pros in *their* field.
>
>And you of course are completely missing the point. The point being that
> the processors that they are attacking in these ads, they are now
>using. :-)
>

I'm sorry, Yousuf, but I didn't miss the point at all. Yesterday they
had to sell PowerPC against x86, now they'll have to sell x86.
They'll find something good to say about x86, and I'm sure they'll
find a way to differentiate their own product in their usual markets.
That's why they're pros.

RM
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 12:02:09 PM

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AD. wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:41:20 -0700, YKhan wrote:
>
> > Oh BTW, it looks like Jobs used a Pentium 4 to demonstrate Mac OS X today,
> > rather than Pentium-M.
>
> One thing that I saw mentioned on Slashdot (no idea how accurate this
> is) was that Apple mentioned that they had been using Intel chips for
> public demonstrations for a while now, and the poster now realised why the
> demonstrations had seemed noticeably faster than the code that they
> actually got.
>
> Are Apple running Intel chips in Apple cases for these demonstrations, or
> have they been using hidden white box PCs? I suppose there's tons of room
> in a G5 PowerMac case to retrofit an ATX motherboard - considering that it
> is nearly all taken up by G5s and their associated cooling stuff.

That sounds like a bit of FUD or selective spin. What I do know for
certain is that Jobs said that all versions of OS X were secretly being
compiled for x86, in parallel with PPC for the past five years. They
just never released the x86 version till now. But I don't think they
ever said that they've been using Intel chips for public demos up until
now. I think this is the first time they demo'ed it on an x86.

Yousuf Khan
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 2:47:33 PM

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:42:36 -0700, YKhan wrote:

> Well we'll never see the likes of these webpages again. Better view it
> fast, I have a feeling that they will be expiring pretty soon. :-)
>
> Apple - Power Mac G5 - Performance
> "The PowerPC G5 out-shoots the Pentium 4 in a battery of tests. But it's
> in the rough-and-tumble of real-world performance that the G5 really
> shines - shredding the PC's reputation in the process.

Yeah, but I doubt Apple would go anywhere near the P4. The first year or
more will probably just be Pentium Ms in laptops and minis as a low power
replacement of the G4. Apple was touting Intels performance per watt or
somesuch.

The Jobs spin of course will be that Intel finally saw the MHz Myth their
way and they are all on the same train now etc etc

>
> The Power Mac G5 puts tremendous creative firepower at your disposal. Your
> unfair advantages start with the PowerPC G5, a powerful 64-bit processor,
> running at clock speeds of up to 2.7GHz. Combine that with 1.35GHz
> dual-independent frontside buses, an advanced system controller, a fast
> 128-bit 400MHz memory bus and state-of-the-art expansion, and you begin to
> understand why the Power Mac G5 is the kind of machine a PC wouldn't want
> to compete for a job against. " http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

From what I understand the Power Macs will continue to use G5s for quite a
while yet. After all Pentium Ms haven't taken over the x86 workstation and
desktop markets yet either.

I think the Reality Distortion Field still has plenty of spin left in it :) 

--
Cheers
Anton
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 2:47:34 PM

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AD. wrote:
> Yeah, but I doubt Apple would go anywhere near the P4. The first year or
> more will probably just be Pentium Ms in laptops and minis as a low power
> replacement of the G4. Apple was touting Intels performance per watt or
> somesuch.
>
> The Jobs spin of course will be that Intel finally saw the MHz Myth their
> way and they are all on the same train now etc etc

Actually, you're pretty much right on the money there, I think I read
the Jobs soundbite was something along the lines of "IBM had a very
strong roadmap, but going forward, Intel's roadmap is the strongest and
most in line with our destination", etc., etc. :-)

> From what I understand the Power Macs will continue to use G5s for quite a
> while yet. After all Pentium Ms haven't taken over the x86 workstation and
> desktop markets yet either.
>
> I think the Reality Distortion Field still has plenty of spin left in it :) 

Not a chance, they can't afford to let the PPC RDF destroy sales of
their future x86 machines. They're going to retune the RDF to make it
look like these two architectures are so complementary.

Yousuf Khan
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 3:51:44 PM

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YKhan wrote:

> Well we'll never see the likes of these webpages again. Better view it
> fast, I have a feeling that they will be expiring pretty soon. :-)
>
> Apple - Power Mac G5 - Performance
> "The PowerPC G5 out-shoots the Pentium 4 in a battery of tests. But
> it's in the rough-and-tumble of real-world performance that the G5
> really shines - shredding the PC's reputation in the process.
>
> The Power Mac G5 puts tremendous creative firepower at your disposal.
> Your unfair advantages start with the PowerPC G5, a powerful 64-bit
> processor, running at clock speeds of up to 2.7GHz. Combine that with
> 1.35GHz dual-independent frontside buses, an advanced system
> controller, a fast 128-bit 400MHz memory bus and state-of-the-art
> expansion, and you begin to understand why the Power Mac G5 is the kind
> of machine a PC wouldn't want to compete for a job against. "
> http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

Well done, Master troll :-)
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 8:37:58 PM

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:11:03 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

> AD. wrote:
>> From what I understand the Power Macs will continue to use G5s for quite
>> a while yet. After all Pentium Ms haven't taken over the x86 workstation
>> and desktop markets yet either.
>>
>> I think the Reality Distortion Field still has plenty of spin left in it
>> :) 
>
> Not a chance, they can't afford to let the PPC RDF destroy sales of their
> future x86 machines. They're going to retune the RDF to make it look like
> these two architectures are so complementary.

Agreed, even though they have to change the message a bit they still have
plenty of ways to make it seem like the x86 world has changed to suit
Apple rather than Apple changing to suit the x86 world. And with Pentium
Ms at least there is a smidgen of truth behind that spin that wouldn't
have existed with other Intel chips.

Never underestimate the power of the RDF! ;) 

--
Cheers
Anton
Anonymous
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June 7, 2005 9:44:29 PM

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:41:20 -0700, YKhan wrote:

> Oh BTW, it looks like Jobs used a Pentium 4 to demonstrate Mac OS X today,
> rather than Pentium-M.

One thing that I saw mentioned on Slashdot (no idea how accurate this
is) was that Apple mentioned that they had been using Intel chips for
public demonstrations for a while now, and the poster now realised why the
demonstrations had seemed noticeably faster than the code that they
actually got.

Are Apple running Intel chips in Apple cases for these demonstrations, or
have they been using hidden white box PCs? I suppose there's tons of room
in a G5 PowerMac case to retrofit an ATX motherboard - considering that it
is nearly all taken up by G5s and their associated cooling stuff.

--
Cheers
Anton
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