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Nudge wrote:
> Rthoreau wrote:
>
> > Nudge wrote:
> >
> >>YKhan wrote:
> >>
> >>>I was wondering the same thing, and I'd say go with a S939 system.
> >>>There isn't much difference in price between the lowest end Athlon 64
> >>>and the highest end Sempron 64. The Semprons only make sense if you get
> >>>one of the mid-priced or lower varieties, but then those ones don't
> >>>have the 64-bit capability (yet).
> >>
> >>According to AMD's website, even the low-end Semprons are 64-bit
> >>enabled. I'm taking a hard look at the 2800+ which has the following
> >>characteristics: 1.6 GHz, 256KB L2 cache, FSB333.
> >>
> >>(I was unaware S754 Semprons did not (??) support DDR400...
> >>Is that another difference to add to my list? Or is my information
> >>incorrect? I thought FSB333 was for Socket-A Semprons?)
> >>
> >>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html
> >>
> >>3400+ (64-bit enabled) $134
> >>3300+ (64-bit enabled) $126
> >>3100+ (64-bit enabled) $106
> >>3000+ (64-bit enabled) $91
> >>2800+ (64-bit enabled) $78
> >>2600+ (64-bit enabled) $64
> >>
> >>Where I live, one can buy a Sempron 2800+ for 76 EUR while the
> >>cheapest 90nm S939 A64 i.e. 3000+ costs 138 EUR.
> >
> >
> > good luck finding a 2600+ Sempron which is 64 bit enabled? I would be
> > weary of a listing of a 64-bit fsb 333, seems someone copied the wrong
> > description. Also you do not mention if its boxed, or an OEM chip, that
> > could be the difference in your price. You should be able to pick up a
> > OEM chip for a good price. Pricewatch does list socket 754 Semprons
> > boxed for that price, no mention of fsb on the descriptions. Seems that
> > soon we should be all in 64-bit heaven, no reason not to use one now
> > with prices like that.
>
> According to this page:
>
http://balusc.xs4all.nl/ned/har-cpu-amd-k8.php
>
> All Socket-754 Semprons support FSB400.
> Stepping E3 brings SSE3.
> Stepping E6 brings AMD64.
>
> Thus, I am looking for... SDA2800BXBOX (E6)
>
> e.g.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104245
> $76 at Newegg.
>
> I am still wondering: what king of video card do people put in
> Socket-754 systems? Do they go for an expensive MB that supports
> PCI-Express, or do they live with an AGP video card, with little
> hope to upgrade in the future?
They make nforce 4 socket 754 boards, with PCI-E, Epox makes a nice
solution which has 3 dimm slots, of course MSI also makes a nice choice
as well. If your going to buy a graphics card I would go PCI-E, no need
to limit your self with agp.
I must admit that the other posters have a valid concern, if this is a
cheap box, then adding a graphics card might not be the best use of
money, but if you game once in a while it would not hurt to have one,
just make sure its like a 6200 based, or better card.
As you know now we are spliting hairs, if you decide to buy a graphics
card, you might as well get more memory. Games such as BF2 like memory,
it used to be that 512 mb's was great for gaming now its at least 1 gig
or more, bf2 likes about 1.5 gigs just to run good.
At this rate you might as well get yourself a 939 ati board, you can
have one for as little as 85 dollars, that would save the difference on
the graphics card.
So moral of story is, if the person is going to game, then you really
should consider a 939 board, your only talking about the difference
between the cpu's cost. If its a non gamer then socket 754 is ok find
one with igp. Even then you can find a 939 igp board that cost about
the same as a 754 board.
Also remember that igp boards usually have some sort of memory sharing
going on between main memory and graphics memory, so it would bewise to
get more memory anyway. This of course depends on your use, it is
possible to run Gnu/Linux *bsd with less then 256 memory nowadays. Most
people who want cheap boxes will not like this choice, if children will
be using this system they will want all the speed they can get.
I gave up long ago trying to give advice to people who think they know
what they want. As it turns out they want a system that cost twice as
much, and will gripe every chance they get because their buddies dell
plays game x faster then their box.
In a case like that its sometimes better to just tell them to go out
and buy a dell, that way they at least think they are getting a better
deal.
Rthoreau
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