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Is it legal? I can't even imagine what would happen if they had a public school for straight people.
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I think we should have a fat kid school and a school for kids with big ears too.
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ahah
someone jsut printed that off here in teh office
i think its wrong. its like consented segregation. if we are to accept gay people, i dont see how separating them will help
again, the wonders of north american society and its forward thinking never cease to amaze me. on a daily basis
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if we are to separate gay people, then why isnt there black schools? or schools in canada for native people?
or how about schools for non-white people?
i can see how they are trying to give gay kids a chance to be in a place where they arent discriminated. but that doesnt solve anything, beacuse the people who still discriminate them are going to be around when they leave school.
there needs to be EDUCATION on the issue, with teachers confronting discriminating students and showing them how wrong it is.
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Fat people are made fun of more than gay people so maybe we should have schools for fat kids.
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I think kids that go to that school will be singled out and treated more cruely than gays that go to a regular high school by people outside the school. Couldn't you imagine a bunch of punk ass high school kids hearing about it and intentionally going out of the way to harass the kids there.
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Saw that this morning. Freakin' ridiculous. I guess the issue of "separate but equal isn't equal" hasn't been resolved, after all.
If we did this for every group of students that got picked on in high school, we'd have 20 times as many high schools as we have now. High schools for the nerds, high schools for the punk/gothic kids, high schools for kids wearing glasses, etc, etc.
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I think it is legal... but it is indead fvcking stupid.
Separeting them is an very very very stupid thing to do... creating isolated groups is meant to go wrong sometime.
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Actually, I support this as odd as it may seem, when I was in HS there were two gay guys and no women as far as I know, and good god they took a beating constantly, I took alot of abuse because I was a pacifist (wouldn't fight back) for a long time (but they eventually beat it out of me), but comparatively, they had it much much worse. I would imagine that most homosexuals who have 'come out' during those years of their life would be very interested in something like this.
Alot of highschool kids are bastards and the degree of cruelty that occurs is pretty astounding in some cases.
I didn't have the worst of it in my school and I was 'beat' 2-3 times a week for 4 years... my parents did what they could but until they got me outta the school there wasn't much to do. When I finally figured "hell, the bruises feel the same if I return the favor or just take it, might as well return as many as possible." I quit being beat up by single people, and they just started showing up with a few friends to hold me while they beat me...
I can't imagine what it would have been like if it were any worse... and it was worse for the two gay men, I was borderline on snapping and going columbine (back in 89-95 sometime)... I can't imagine why they didn't. No one should ever experience that kind of abuse. Hell, I would have gladly went ANYWHERE where I could have avoided even some of that abuse.
Edit: Even thinking about this again, almost 10 years later, I'm god damn pissed off. You don't forget. Ever.
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Theyre not selling donuts in the cafe, lol
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> Fat people are made fun of more than gay people
> so maybe we should have schools for fat kids.
I would agree with that (fat kids are made fun of more), simply because it's considered more pc. However, there is something physically intimidating about a heavy person and they generally seem to be the target of less physical violence... and religious violence... and hate crimes... etc.
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I'd imagine the only one, other than Shadus who seems ok with gays, that would enjoy this is Papasmurf. Anything to get them away from him really.
This is bad indeed on account it won't help the situation at all. Phial said it right, EDUCATION.
I also wonder just HOW MANY will apply there, lest they find it discriminating on themselves and not finding too many there. I don't know if it'll be that succesful, especially if it's for sub-18 year olds who are still trying to find out their true sexuality.
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My god man! Why didn't you learn how to defend yourself? I NEVER got in a fight in high school since everyone was afraid of me and I refused to be instigated into starting fights. I'm not a big guy either.
I still say this is a stupid idea. Segregation is not the answer. They can learn how to defend themselves if you're afraid that they'll be beat like you were.
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No kidding. I can't see how someone could tolerate getting beat up 2-3 times a week. That's just pathetic.
Start fightint dirty. Bring weapons. That would have tought those little pricks to stay away. Also, frame them for crimes. This guy was really mean to someone I know, like big time. Not physically though. So, he was tired of it so he bought some marijuana, put it into small paper sacks, and slid them into the guys locker at school. He made a tip to the principle that this kid was selling weed out of his locker, so security checked and the guy got arrested. Hi-larious.
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I'm willing to bet that school will get egged/ vandalized constantly and the kids beaten up. I mean in my school, if they find out you're gay or have something unlike the rest, it's cool as long as you don't go around intentionally showing it. But as soon as you start acting all look at me, I'm different, I can pwn j00, then you get singled out and the living sh!t beaten out of you. I mean we have this Korean kid who is hated by everyone and tries to act all KP, ghetto, and cool. He got beaten up by a 4'11" kid. If you call for equality, don't be hypocritical.
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When I was in high school, if someone pushed me intentionally, I would hurl them across the hallway into the lockers. I took a lot of abuse too...but I "got back".
I once got surrounded by a group of kids who wouldn't let me leave without a fight, so I berated them for ganging up on me, told them to send their best fighter forward, and kicked his arse. And since it was a gang thing, I didn't even get suspended, but several of them did. I even got an excused absense so I could go home, take a shower, and change clothes!
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Several years ago I was on the swing and this kid wouldn't stop throwing rocks at me. I told him to stop, he didn't, and after several times getting more aggrivated each time I got off and hurled him. He did a few flips and slammed into a wall and was out for a little bit. In the meantime his big brother came so I punched the brother in the stomach and ran.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.
Great playground story.
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When I first started college, I couldn't find any funding except for that small federal PELL grant. I saw kids going for free, supported by programs such as UNCF, NAACP, and several state programs for "inner city kids". The inner city programs assume that kids from cities have less money than kids from, say, suburbs. I had no money at all and came from a rural area, so...I had to watch as people who didn't even have the desire to be there...got their free ride...so they could party College style.
What do you want to bet these kids get the BEST education available, so they can have the BEST grades, and will be given additional funding for college because of their "minority" status, as well as loads of scholarship for their "accademic achievement"?
Heck, if I was that age and lived there, I might fake being gay just for the additional help with college!
Oh, and if you're foreign, College in the U.S. refers to University level training. "Community Colleges" and "Junior Colleges" offer training similar to the first 2 years of a "Uni".
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That's the only aid I got too. I got the Calgrant for a while but that wasn't much and expired.
I took student loans. Damn good rate too. I think they're at 2.8%.
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gay isnt the issue with that. plain abuse. doesnt matter who you are,wher you come from, what sexual tendancies you have. NO ONE should be treated like that
4 years. something should have been done. thats unacceptable. thats why i hate kids around my own age, because most of them are evil, hateful nazis plain and simple
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all teh reasons for supporting it in this thread are unfounded
what needs to be done is ACTIVE education on equality. kids need to be confronted, not just sat in a classroom where they can drift off and still not care.
separating doesnt solve a single thing
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I didn't believe in violence mainly. After awhile I got over it... then they just got more people. By the time I left the school I was 'hunting' people who were part of the group who beat me, trying to catch them alone to return the favor... but it really didn't matter. The beatings were pretty consistant and never worse than a cracked rib or severe bruising.
Humorously, my doctor turned my parents into child services for child abuse, that created quite a fiasco.
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The only thing seperation does is removes you from the situation. Sometimes that's enough.
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but then we have the problem of the homophobics still being around
i dont see any solution with this . it merely hides the problem. OK, maybe it would be good for kids who really are having a tough time, BUTTT , something has to be done about teh people infringing on their rights as well. those hate-mongers shouldnt be left unpunished, or uneducated
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Nod, Oh definetly there needs to be alot more tolerance around... for sexual orientation and color... but you really can't force people to like other people... or even not hate, the best you can really hope for is to make them unwilling to descriminate against them privately or publically and that their children won't pick up their attitudes.
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agree
especially how you cant force someone not to hate another person. but if thats the case, then THEY need to be separated (dealt with. separation solves nothing like i said), because hatred towards someone for no reason is infringing on their rights to live free of discrimination and fear
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You must have zero self esteem. What you SHOULD have done was learn to defend yourself. Period. Defending yourself doesn't necessarely mean you beat the hell out of anyone. It just means that you can stop them from beating you.
You actually took broken ribs and had your doctor turn your parents in? And you went through that for 4 friggin' years?
That's horrible.
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If you beat the assailant badly enough, he won't try again. Eventually you run out of assailants.
I didn't have the heart to do that. I always tried to make assailants pleed for mercy, rather than continue beating on them. Pleeding for mercy in front of other students is WORSE psychologically than getting beat unconscious, it can change your whole attitude toward life! It ruins your credibility as a thug!
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Hmm I have mixed feelings on this but at least it isolates them for when I bomb the school in the name of the good lord... wait a damned second Im not a believer of god or the bible... sh@t I dont know sounds dangerous to me kids are gonna be easier to single out now for discrimination... bad move imo...
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Cracked not broken, broken tend to do things like puncture lungs cracked just hurt like hell when you try to breathe... and I only had that happen a few times when they got a bit over enthusiastic on the kicking and given the choice between my skull and my sides, my skull wins pretty consistantly.
I did eventually defend myself but by then it was too late, once the whipping boy always the whipping boy. When I moved schools I squashed that possibility immediately, first day infact, I planted a book bag with 8 books in it into the skull of a jock who pushed me from behind and then got down and racked his head off the floor until they dragged me off. No one bothered me there after that. Missed the first 3 days of class for out of school suspension, but hey low price to pay.
> If you beat the assailant badly enough, he won't try again.
> Eventually you run out of assailants.
True, but you have to get them alone, thats harder than it sounds sometimes. 3-5 on 1 ain't such hot odds, I took self defense classes eventually (tae kwon do) and the best advice my teacher could give for those odds is "aim for groin, throat, and solar plexus, make a hole and run like hell." At the point there are three or more people I just generally tried to cause as much damage as possible before they got ahold of me. Being peaceful is a great thing when you can do it, but there comes a time when there is no peace and all that is left is violence.
Edit: One of the guys who decided to try his hand at beating the hell outta me alone caught up with me after school and he was beyond dazed and confused, he was beyond well baked, he was hardly conscious.... slow, real slow, I quite literally kicked him 6" off the ground by his groin (and it was seriously telegraphed, he never even tried to cover he was so gone), he doubled over but didnt go down then stood back up like nothing serious had happened... I honestly got hurt alot in fights but wasn't generally afraid, I knew it would end and what not and that eventually they'd stop, when he got up from that I was terrified, I think I would have probally died to have been kicked that hard in my jewels. Him and I later got to be on speaking terms, he always said he never felt a thing until he got home and slept a few hours, said he woke up feeling like he had a bad case of food poisoning.
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When I was 13, my parents thought it would be a good idea to send me to Boarding school, I spent the next 4 years getting beaten up, pissed on, psyically and mentally abused until I left, tried to get caught stealing something but that didnt work, the masters at the hostel just ignored the abuse, when I told my dad he just laughed, told mum but nothing ever happened, I dont think Ive ever forgiven them for it, Its easy to say defend yourself but when youre in bed at night and 4 older boys jump on you with rugby boots on theres not a lot you can do.
So if this school can help these kids get a decent education then Im all for it
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Yes, but if you track them down one at a time, when they think they're alone, and cave their head in with a cricket stick, they won't try again!
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How did you get attacked in bed at night like that?!
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First of all, what kind of style were you in during those hard time?
And WHY were you picked on? (should you answer me that you were the average student, no gothic style or anything different)
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It was a boarding school, and I was staying at the hostel,all the boys that picked on me were older than me, if you did one of them, them they would all gang up and attack you, remember I had to live with them 24/7 the only time I got away was sundays when you could go out to a friends of familys place for the day, the ocassional weekend when I could go home and school holidays
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Poor you d00d, I'd seriously go angry at me parents.
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haha nice
we should go bashing high school kids some time crashman. we would be doing the world a service!
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Style wise, I'm dr average, always have been, Jeans & T's or polos. Bout like everyone else. I was a few lbs overweight but I didn't really uh... bloom until I went to LHS (second HS). As to why, the best I've ever been able to figure is, I'm quiet, extremely intelligent, didn't have alot of friends to help protect me, and wouldn't pick on other people.
As far as it goes, if they wanted to pick something out the only notable thing was that I was a pacifist. I'm not christian, but no one at ECHS knew that (not even close friends), most probally almost everyone at ECHS knew less about me than almost anyone else at the school. I think the biggest thing was the fact that I didn't mesh with any of the cliques... I had a few friends spread over the whole school but no group of people I was really with consistantly.
Problem was I didn't fit a convient catagory. I was to apathetic and heavy to be 'jock', I was to apathetic to be a 'nerd', I was to intelligent to fit with most of the 'burnouts', I didn't wanna be black, hispanic, or asian so I didn't fit with the 'wannabe' crowd, didn't dress the part of being a 'prep', not enough money in family to be a 'snob', wasn't poor enough to be a 'hood', and didn't like band/choir well enough to fit with the 'band/choir geeks'. We didn't have any other groups really, no goths or anything like that just to small a school.
Shrug, so i mostly ended up hanging on the fringes of the burnouts with a couple preps and nerds for friends... I have to say, for the most part the burnouts had the worst reuptation in the school, but they never judged, they didn't care what you did so long as it didn't interfer with them, and they would help you pretty much anyway they could that wouldn't get them in extremely deep [-peep-]. I have more respect for any one of those guys than I ever will for the vast majority of the world.
About 99% of the beatings I got were from the jocks (and if I'm being realistic, the football team mostly, don't think any of the track kids at all and only one or two basketball kids ever messed with me) and snobs.
Once I went to LHS I fit in well with the 'outcasts' which were basically all people like me... to cross group to blend well with most of the cliques. Unfortunetly 90% of them were all in a class ahead of me so I spent my last year pretty much alone except for a couple friends, but alone and unbeaten still stands miles above regularly beaten.
Heh, I'm definetly no goth, skin just tans to easy to pull that off, I look at the sun and I tan. Although I do occasionally have a taste for goth grrls.
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Gay people always complain about being singled out by society, so why would any gay person want to attend a school for gays only? this seems like an oversight, i fully belive in equal rights but we've been here before, hello, segragation dosen't work anywhere! especially not in schools. i belive that a more simple suggestion is to educate the ass holes who wanna beat on gay people and teach them to be more tollerant of people, after all these people are the same people who given the chance would have beatten on blacks 30 years ago, for [-peep-] sake teach them. so to reitterate; gay school, no. gays in school yes.
yeh good point put all the gay hating assholes in the electric chair. why hasn't that been thought up before? problem solved cheers.
Like I said-- It should be a personal/family choice, like private schooling... and it is. I'm not gay, but I would have attended *ANY* school for a way to escape what I went through... and I know the gay men in ECHS went through worse than I did.
You can't educate away hate. You can't educate away differences. People only change when they want to change. Giving an abused section of the populace a way to escape that abuse is a good thing imo, so long as its never compulsary and they get a quality education.
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...? where the fsck did that come from?
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Hmm, issue is, I feel if you teach them while they're young, like 9-10 years old, it can work. That's the age of influence, and if they have a dynamic teacher at that, it works like a charm.
Our Economy teacher was damn great, nice and sensitive, funny and dynamic. He could only convince. IMO it's the young that need the education now, not the teens. Those are a lost cause sadly. Once a homophobe, always a homophobe, unless you get your ass saved by one.
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