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More info?)
The monitor I'm looking at is the NEC/Mitsubishi FE2111SB 22" SuperBright
Diamontron, although Ilyama and Viewsonic both have very similar offerings.
Does anyone have any recommendations?
"Not Gimpy Anymore" <nospamREMOVplease@msn.net> wrote in message
news:B05Wc.235854$OB3.103931@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> OK, sounds to like there is a shortcoming in the monitor manufacturing
> or design process (or maybe both).
>
> As a by-point, when you run BRT so high (generally) it will tend to
> desaturate
> the colors, but should not affect white. That's the basis of my
> recommendation
> for adjusting it - but then perhaps you do need to set it that high for
your
> particular conditions.
>
> I haven't been tracking CRT monitors lately 'cause my present position has
> me concentrating on LCD's, so I'm not up on who is still making the larger
> CRT's. There is a definite trend, though, of discontinuing CRT's in
general,
> starting with the lowest demand sizes (which are the larger ones). It will
> just continue to put you into that awkward position of not being able to
> find
> the kind of display that you really prefer. Sadly that's the way market
> forces
> (user buying trends) are moving. Trying to change that is like "tilting at
> windmills", as the old saying goes.
>
> Regards,
> NGA
>
> "Asterix" <alon.wolman@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:6zSVc.7720$LV1.5129@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> > When I went to look at the monitor, there were two units there, and the
> > first one I looked at had what appeared to be the same problem. There
was
> a
> > greenish hue on some letters that wasn't supposed to be there. I asked
to
> > look at the second unit which didn't have this problem. I couldn't look
at
> > them side by side so I didn't notice the difference in color settings.
> >
> > About setting the colors, I did find that by keeping the proportions
> > balanced between the numbers (based on the original 9300k settings) I
was
> > able to get truer colors. When I used the settings from my other monitor
> it
> > wasn't quite balanced.
> >
> > My brightness and contrast are set to my liking, which is 100 contrast
and
> > 71 brightness.
> >
> > I think the problem is inherent in the design. Right now my color
settings
> > are R95, G90, and B85, which is based on the original R75, G70, and B65
I
> > think, and its a good tradeoff for right now.
> >
> > Will I be keeping this monitor? No, and I'm not sure which one to choose
> > since as far as new monitors go, the Samsumg 957MB has high reviews but
is
> a
> > shadow mask tube, vs. aperture grill which everyone says is better for
> > color-critical demands. Second to that is the NEC/Mitsubishi Diamondtron
> > monitor, which is aperture grill, which I am considering getting,
although
> > it has a lower rating. So I am confused. I don't think Samsung even
makes
> > 21" monitors anyway.
> >
> > "Not Gimpy Anymore" <nospamREMOVplease@msn.net> wrote in message
> > news:2EQVc.492300$Gx4.377996@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > OK - that helps - sounds like the cathodes may be getting weak (may
> > > become noticeable after about 5k Hours of use). Another factor may
> > > be unbalance in the RGB outputs of your video, or maybe just low
> > > values (less than the somewhat standard 700 mV for peak luminance in
> > > each channel). If the video somehow gets "double terminated", that
would
> > > cut the signal amplitude, but it's unusual to have setups today where
> that
> > > can happen.
> > > These things are difficult to measure unless you have a reasonably
> > > calibrated O'scope. If you can get to try another unit it should
really
> > > help you see if yours is typical or not.
> > > I wasn't aware that they shipped a design where driving above "90"
> > > may cause bleeding, but if that's what the reviewer found, its a good
> > > thing to be aware of.
> > >
> > > You may also want to be aware that when you alter the settings as
you
> > > mention, you are also altering the "color temp" away from 9300k. That
> > > may or may not be important to you. Ideally, the settings are factory
> set
> > > to compensate for individual variations in tubes - but it's impossible
> to
> > > compensate for variations in video outputs. If you do change the
> settings,
> > > and want to try and maintain the same white color, it's best to try
and
> > > keep the original proportions of the adjustments. Without
> instrumentation,
> > > it's impossible to say just what color of white you're really getting.
> > >
> > > How are the BRT and Cont settings ranges? Can you adjust BRT so
that
> > > the "blackest" part of an image is "just barely visible" for your room
> > > lighting
> > > condition, and then run Cont. up towards 100%, & gain some
"brightness"?
> > > If you can't, it may be another indication of weak cathodes.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > NGA
> > >
> > > "Asterix" <alon.wolman@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:waPVc.5013$dB6.4405@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > > > It's supposedly two years old, I've tried using different VGA
cables,
> > I've
> > > > got a Radeon 9600XT with the latest drivers, and have tested other
> > > monitors
> > > > and didn't have these problems with any color settings. For 9300k,
the
> > > > settings are: R74 G70 B60 - the way I like them is at R100 G87 B94
> > (these
> > > > are the settings for 9300k color on my Sony which looks much
brighter
> > and
> > > > better.) I have read a review on the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u
> which
> > > > claims setting these higher than about 90 will cause the color cast
> > issue.
> > > > It seems ideally they should be at the factory level but this
produces
> a
> > > > gray, dull image. I might be able to get another one of these units
to
> > try
> > > > out, in which case I'll know if I just got a lemon. Based on the
> review
> > I
> > > > read though, I don't think so. Just now I reset the colors to the
> > default
> > > > and then boosted each one by 10. This means each color is safely
below
> > 90.
> > > > No color bleeding but my white is now a little gray.
> > > >
> > > > "Not Gimpy Anymore" <nospamREMOVplease@msn.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:OseVc.481376$Gx4.277359@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Asterix" <alon.wolman@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:2y8Vc.39690$SC1.9824@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > > > > > I have a Compaq P1210 Monitor, supposedly a Mitsubishi Diamond
Pro
> > > 2060u
> > > > > in
> > > > > > a Compaq case, anyway its driving me mad with color bleeding
> > problems
> > > > when
> > > > > I
> > > > > > raise the RGB settings to acceptable levels. Please help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like you may be overdriving it - sounds suspiciously
like
> > > > smearing
> > > > > in
> > > > > the video amps.
> > > > > Is it possible what you think are "acceptable levels" are
beyond
> > the
> > > > > capability
> > > > > of the machine?
> > > > > Or maybe it was not set up right initially in production -
seeing
> > you
> > > > > think the levels
> > > > > are not acceptable with factory settings.
> > > > > Typically a monitor should not be designed to allow the user to
> > > > > experience what
> > > > > you're mentioning, but I can't comment on this specific one.
> > > > > Adjusting or setting variables inside the case is not something
a
> > > > person
> > > > > should
> > > > > approach casually, or without instruments. But that may be what it
> > > needs.
> > > > If
> > > > > that
> > > > > doesn't work, maybe the tube is sour. Is it a recent occurrence,
or
> > from
> > > > out
> > > > > of the box?
> > > > > (how old is it?)
> > > > > Is there maybe something about your system setup that might be
> > > > > contributing to
> > > > > the smearing? Anything specifically atypical about the way your
> system
> > > is
> > > > > setup?
> > > > > Where were the RGB settings when you received it, and where are
> you
> > > > > trying
> > > > > to set them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Having said all that - I'm not sure there is any help except
> maybe
> > a
> > > > trip
> > > > > to a repair
> > > > > or re-cal. facility (depending on the answers to ?'s above).
> > > > >
> > > > > NGA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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