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Performance Comparison: Nvidia Fx 5200 or GeForce 4 Ti 4200

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October 26, 2004 5:32:38 AM

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Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and realized
that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX 5200 by a
longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I assumed that the
newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed the FX was better
because the price on a TI 4200 right now is signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200 that
would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU? It
doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...
Anonymous
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October 26, 2004 5:32:39 AM

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Here's an article that's a year and a half old, comparing cards (including
the 4200 and the 5200):

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,922652,00.as...

The article is relatively kind to the 5200, but the relationship between the
5200 and the high-end cards in the FX5 series isn't similar to that between
a 4200 and a 4600 (or 4800). The 5200 is a budget card, while the 4200 isn't
that much slower than a 4600. However, the 5200 is a budget DX9 card, while
the 4200 only supports DX8.

You can still get third-party coolers that'll fit the 4200:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...

($13US, but with $5 shipping it's not all that cheap). It's cooler looking
than stock, but I don't know whether it cools better. The least expensive
solution would be to get a replacement fan, if you can find one.

HTH.

Bob Knowlden

Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.

"Falcon1209" <falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
> 4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
> realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
> 5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
> assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
> the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
> signifigantly cheaper.
>
> If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
> to hear what you have to say.
> And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
> that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
> It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
> now...)
>
> I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
Anonymous
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October 26, 2004 6:51:27 AM

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Falcon1209:

> I ... bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4
> Ti 4200's fan was going out.

replace the fan

> I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

yup,
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_c...

--
Mac Cool
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October 26, 2004 7:30:16 AM

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"Falcon1209" <falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
> 4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
> realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
> 5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
> assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
> the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
> signifigantly cheaper.
>
> If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
> to hear what you have to say.
> And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
> that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
> It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
> now...)
>
> I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...
>
> Thanks in advance...
>

I think that you may have spent $80 dollars on a slower card. There are a
number of reliable heat sinks for that card search the web for geforce 4200
video heat sink fan and you will find one. You could also just replace the
fan but they are a little harder to find. Instruction on how to remove the
old heat sink and install a new one can also be found on the web. You could
use a 1U copper heatsink and fan with a few modifications.

GF 4200TI
http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/chipset/a1449.htm
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...
http://www.vantecusa.com/product-cooling.html#
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/en/products/vga_silencer/
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...


A cheap 1U heatsink
http://accessories.gateway.com/AccessoryStore/PC+Access...
Anonymous
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October 26, 2004 9:06:42 AM

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:32:38 GMT, "Falcon1209"
<falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi
>
>I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
>4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and realized
>that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX 5200 by a
>longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I assumed that the
>newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed the FX was better
>because the price on a TI 4200 right now is signifigantly cheaper.
>
>If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
>to hear what you have to say.
>And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200 that
>would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU? It
>doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right now...)
>
>I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...
>
>Thanks in advance...
>

yes an FX5200 is slower. It's DX9 but it's slow enough that
this doesn't matter. Add to that the fact that many TI4200
cards o'c pretty well and it takes a fairly expensive video
card to outperform one (relatively speaking of course, you'd
have to spend about $120 to get higher raw performance
ignoring FSAA & DX9).

You can install a heatsink using epoxy, like Arctic Alumina
Epoxy,
http://www.svcompucycle.com/araltherad.html
The heatsink can be just about anything when using epoxy,
providing it's not too heavy and doesn't block too many PCI
slots. A Pentium 1 heatsink might be ideal if you have one
with a low-enough RPM (quiet) fan, or there are 3rd party
heatsinks that'll fit a TI4200 but offhand I dont' know
what/where to find the best or cheapest ones.

If the replacement fan is small and thin like the original
you might find it quieter and longer lasting by lubing it
with very heavy oil... not just after it makes a lot of
noise and is failing but BEFORE then. You might even be
able to lube your present failing fan with very very heavy
oil, bordering on light grease, and have it work fine again
for a long time.
Anonymous
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October 26, 2004 2:44:59 PM

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"Falcon1209" <falcon1209@hotmail.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
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> Hi
>
>
> If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
> to hear what you have to say.

The 4200 is definitely better, even better if you clock it up. Eventhough I
owned neither (still using my Ti200), the 4200, much like the GF3 Ti200 was
regarded as best bang for the buck card of their time (www.firingsquad.com).

If you search up more on the 5200, you'll noticed that it's always mentioned
as the ass wipe card that might as well be named the GF FX MX.

Though on the level of DX9.0, both card are comparable, and that's exactly
the reason that you shouldn't have bought it. Why buy something that
doesn't make things faster? For charts: try looking at this and other
pages: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_c...

> And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
that
> would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU? It
> doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
now...)

Try these:
http://tantricmodz.tripod.com/GFti%20Mod.htm
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=zh-T...

>
> I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Yes you blew it.

>
> Thanks in advance...
NP
Anonymous
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October 27, 2004 3:15:45 AM

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The FX 5200 is MUCH slower than the Ti4200; no comparison. The 5200 is the
FX ENTRY level card for Nvidia. The 4200 was up the scale of Nvidia cards
back then.
I'm afraid you wasted your money.

--
DaveW



"Falcon1209" <falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
> 4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
> realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
> 5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
> assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
> the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
> signifigantly cheaper.
>
> If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
> to hear what you have to say.
> And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
> that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
> It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
> now...)
>
> I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
October 29, 2004 5:12:56 AM

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I have returned my FX 5200 back to the retailer for $5.50. Claimed I made a
mistake on my order... which I did. I was wondering if any of you guys could
suggest a card for me.
Im looking to spend no more than $110. $120 if its really necessary.
I was looking at this card
(http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=VC-...) If this is
a bad deal please let me know. Im guessing its much better according to the
bench marks you guys gave me. (According to Tomshardware.com the bechmarks
on the 5700 surpassed the TI 4200 by 10 fps in most benchmarks.)
If you guys can find a better deal than this, Id love to hear it. I dont
feel like returning another card again...

Thanks a lot!

"Falcon1209" <falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
> 4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
> realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
> 5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
> assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
> the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
> signifigantly cheaper.
>
> If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
> to hear what you have to say.
> And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
> that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
> It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
> now...)
>
> I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 29, 2004 5:49:19 AM

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:12:56 GMT, "Falcon1209"
<falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have returned my FX 5200 back to the retailer for $5.50. Claimed I made a
>mistake on my order... which I did. I was wondering if any of you guys could
>suggest a card for me.
>Im looking to spend no more than $110. $120 if its really necessary.
>I was looking at this card
>(http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=VC-...) If this is
>a bad deal please let me know. Im guessing its much better according to the
>bench marks you guys gave me. (According to Tomshardware.com the bechmarks
>on the 5700 surpassed the TI 4200 by 10 fps in most benchmarks.)
>If you guys can find a better deal than this, Id love to hear it. I dont
>feel like returning another card again...
>
>Thanks a lot!

Well it's significantly faster than the FX5200, but not "$96
worth" faster than the TI4200 you already have, especially
since the TI4200, once overclocked, might regain half of
that 10 FPS difference. Even so for <=$110 it is a
reasonable choice... though if it were my choice I'd set the
TI4200 and put proceeds towards a faster card or just keep
using it.
Anonymous
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October 29, 2004 5:57:08 AM

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:49:19 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com>
wrote:

>though if it were my choice I'd set the
>TI4200

though if it were my choice I'd FIX, SELL the TI4200
Anonymous
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October 29, 2004 7:20:49 AM

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Falcon1209:

> Im looking to spend no more than $110. $120 if its really necessary.
> I was looking at this card
> (http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=VC-...) If
> this is a bad deal please let me know.

Yes, it's a bad deal. That card is an LE and it will be slower than
your Ti4200. A full blown 5700 will run you around $165 new.

> If you guys can find a better deal than this, Id love to hear it.

Here is a better deal, this card will be roughly half again faster than
your 4200. The retailer doesn't have a great rating but they have great
prices:
http://tinyurl.com/3qaq9 (this was a really long link)
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller6143.html

Look for more deals here:
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2236&p=3

These are cards that are faster than your 4200. Most are way out of your
budget if you buy new. Don't buy anything with an LE or SE appended to
it.
Nvidia 5700 Ultra, 5900XT, 5900, 6800
Radeon 9600 Pro, 9600XT, 9700Pro, 9800, 9800Pro

I had a Ti4200 and wanted a new card but couldn't really afford a $200
card. I decided to buy a used 5900XT. They can be found for $120-140.
Also look for Radeon 9700Pros, they can sometimes be found used for
$100-120.
--
Mac Cool
October 30, 2004 12:35:33 AM

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So I guess im gonna buy a TT GF4 HSF... but when i get it installed how do I
overclock it? I dont want to stress my card out too much because it sounds
really stressed right now (Just the fan. Can hear it all the way from
downstairs... not good for staying up late playing some games.)

And youre saying that my Gf4 right now is only worth replacing if i get a
card thats +$200? So when would be a good time to replace this card?

Thanx

"Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message
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> Falcon1209:
>
>> Im looking to spend no more than $110. $120 if its really necessary.
>> I was looking at this card
>> (http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=VC-...) If
>> this is a bad deal please let me know.
>
> Yes, it's a bad deal. That card is an LE and it will be slower than
> your Ti4200. A full blown 5700 will run you around $165 new.
>
>> If you guys can find a better deal than this, Id love to hear it.
>
> Here is a better deal, this card will be roughly half again faster than
> your 4200. The retailer doesn't have a great rating but they have great
> prices:
> http://tinyurl.com/3qaq9 (this was a really long link)
> http://www.resellerratings.com/seller6143.html
>
> Look for more deals here:
> http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2236&p=3
>
> These are cards that are faster than your 4200. Most are way out of your
> budget if you buy new. Don't buy anything with an LE or SE appended to
> it.
> Nvidia 5700 Ultra, 5900XT, 5900, 6800
> Radeon 9600 Pro, 9600XT, 9700Pro, 9800, 9800Pro
>
> I had a Ti4200 and wanted a new card but couldn't really afford a $200
> card. I decided to buy a used 5900XT. They can be found for $120-140.
> Also look for Radeon 9700Pros, they can sometimes be found used for
> $100-120.
> --
> Mac Cool
Anonymous
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October 30, 2004 1:06:20 AM

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:35:33 GMT, "Falcon1209"
<falcon1209@hotmail.com> wrote:

>So I guess im gonna buy a TT GF4 HSF... but when i get it installed how do I
>overclock it? I dont want to stress my card out too much because it sounds
>really stressed right now (Just the fan. Can hear it all the way from
>downstairs... not good for staying up late playing some games.)
>
>And youre saying that my Gf4 right now is only worth replacing if i get a
>card thats +$200? So when would be a good time to replace this card?
>

Not necessarily $200, but the "used" FX5900XT would be a
large step up, and if you keep an eye out you might even
find them in the $150-160 range though currently the going
rate for a new one is $170, whether they'll drop in price or
the market will sell out at the lowest cost vendors is
anyone's guess.

Overclocking the GF4 depends on how much, how far you want
to push it. There are volt-mods to help increase memory and
core but as a start you can just see how far it'll go with
default voltage, no hardware modifications. To do that use
"coolbits" (google will find it easily) and try upping
frequency, shooting for somewhere around 300MHz GPU and
600MHz memory, +-30MHz, and go from there. 64MB cards seem
to o'c higher than 128MB, though that might've been earlier
in their lifecycle, towards the end they might've been
putting better memory on them simply because the state of
memory was that DDR was getting faster and even chips spec'd
to lower (higher ns speed) might clock higher than their
markings suggest. Just be sure that if you're pushing the
speed that your heatsink is on good, working properly.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 30, 2004 5:26:36 AM

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Falcon1209:

> And youre saying that my Gf4 right now is only worth replacing if i
> get a card thats +$200?

Basically yeah. The Ti4200 cards were great cards and they are still great
for older games or games that are not pushing the envelope.

If you are willing to buy a used 5900XT, you can get them for around $140;
a used 9700 pro for around $120.
--
Mac Cool
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