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Anonymous
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August 31, 2005 7:58:06 AM

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I've had time finally to get back to the LCD display. Bob and John
suggested the extra-long VGA cable as the culprit. Sure enough with a
shorter cable connected the ghosting/shadow problem is solved.

We have no choice but to use about 20 feet of VGA cable on this
particular screen. Is ghosting a common problem with this length of
cable, or can I expect a better picture with decent quality cable?

Plastic Man
Anonymous
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August 31, 2005 1:07:24 PM

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Plastic Man wrote:

> I've had time finally to get back to the LCD display. Bob and John
> suggested the extra-long VGA cable as the culprit. Sure enough with a
> shorter cable connected the ghosting/shadow problem is solved.
>
> We have no choice but to use about 20 feet of VGA cable on this
> particular screen. Is ghosting a common problem with this length of
> cable, or can I expect a better picture with decent quality cable?

A really good cable with impedences perfectly mathched might do the job.

Alternatively, check out <http://www.gefen.com&gt;.

> Plastic Man

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Anonymous
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August 31, 2005 7:41:24 PM

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"Plastic Man" <plastic_man1968@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1125485886.123710.113230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> I've had time finally to get back to the LCD display. Bob and John
> suggested the extra-long VGA cable as the culprit. Sure enough with a
> shorter cable connected the ghosting/shadow problem is solved.
>
> We have no choice but to use about 20 feet of VGA cable on this
> particular screen. Is ghosting a common problem with this length of
> cable, or can I expect a better picture with decent quality cable?
>
> Plastic Man
>

Long cables are DEFINITELY the culprit - the transit times extend
to "multi-pixel" level, which significantly increases the probability of
ghosting due to impedance discontinuities.
Problem is SOME of the discontinuities are NOT inside the cable,
but where the cable connects - so getting a "super cable" will not be
any help, as the connectors are NOT likely to be "super".
You may look into an "active driver" (AKA KVM) if you really
need to have the 20 ft of cable. Even then it's suggested to arrange
a trial if possible to see if it helps the ghosting. Sorry, I have no
direct experience with KVMs but their intent is exactly for the
application you mention.

HTH,
HGA
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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2005 7:58:37 PM

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The maximum recommended length for high quality VGA cable is 10 feet.
Otherwise you experience image corruption.

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DaveW
"Plastic Man" <plastic_man1968@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1125485886.123710.113230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> I've had time finally to get back to the LCD display. Bob and John
> suggested the extra-long VGA cable as the culprit. Sure enough with a
> shorter cable connected the ghosting/shadow problem is solved.
>
> We have no choice but to use about 20 feet of VGA cable on this
> particular screen. Is ghosting a common problem with this length of
> cable, or can I expect a better picture with decent quality cable?
>
> Plastic Man
>
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2005 10:30:47 PM

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> Plastic Man wrote:
>
> > I've had time finally to get back to the LCD display. Bob and John
> > suggested the extra-long VGA cable as the culprit. Sure enough with a
> > shorter cable connected the ghosting/shadow problem is solved.
> >
> > We have no choice but to use about 20 feet of VGA cable on this
> > particular screen. Is ghosting a common problem with this length of
> > cable, or can I expect a better picture with decent quality cable?
>
> A really good cable with impedences perfectly mathched might do the job.

Agreed. And I want to add that it's not really the length of the
cable that's the problem here, it's the impedance mismatch at
either end. The added cable length really just introduces more delay,
which shifts the position of the reflection (the "ghost" image) farther
to the right of the edge that caused it in the first place, and thus
generally makes that reflection more visible and objectionable.
A better cable can help, but mostly from the improvement that
you're likely to see in the quality of the connector attachment at
either end (cheap VGA cables often have truly hideous connectors,
which have been attached to the cable itself with leads flying all
over the place, making for a really bad impedance discontinuity).
If, on the other hand, the mismatch is actually at the monitor input
(and the graphics card - it takes two bounces to make the ghost
visible!), then a better cable might actually make the thing look
worse (less loss in the cable making the reflection more visible)!

Bob M.
Anonymous
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September 1, 2005 12:02:15 AM

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DaveW wrote:

> The maximum recommended length for high quality VGA cable is 10 feet.
> Otherwise you experience image corruption.

_May_ experience. It is not certain.


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--John
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Anonymous
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September 1, 2005 11:33:37 PM

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> DaveW wrote:
>
> > The maximum recommended length for high quality VGA cable is 10 feet.
> > Otherwise you experience image corruption.
>
> _May_ experience. It is not certain.

Seconded - and it has very little to do with the length of the
cable (which, with any decent cable - and I mean the basic
cable stock itself, the "wires" - is basically just a loss
issue) relative to the impact of the connectors and the
quality of their termination (attachment) to the cable.

For one data point - I have successfully run what were
essentially "VGA" signals, at 1280 x 1024 pixels, over
100 METERS of cable - but it was Really Truly Very Nice
Cable, and I did NOT use ordinary VGA connectors to do this...

Bob M.
Anonymous
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September 1, 2005 11:33:38 PM

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Bob Myers wrote:

>
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:D f5h4e07tg@news2.newsguy.com...
>> DaveW wrote:
>>
>> > The maximum recommended length for high quality VGA cable is 10 feet.
>> > Otherwise you experience image corruption.
>>
>> _May_ experience. It is not certain.
>
> Seconded - and it has very little to do with the length of the
> cable (which, with any decent cable - and I mean the basic
> cable stock itself, the "wires" - is basically just a loss
> issue) relative to the impact of the connectors and the
> quality of their termination (attachment) to the cable.
>
> For one data point - I have successfully run what were
> essentially "VGA" signals, at 1280 x 1024 pixels, over
> 100 METERS of cable - but it was Really Truly Very Nice
> Cable, and I did NOT use ordinary VGA connectors to do this...

Have you described what you did in that case before?

> Bob M.

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Anonymous
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September 2, 2005 8:48:12 PM

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> > For one data point - I have successfully run what were
> > essentially "VGA" signals, at 1280 x 1024 pixels, over
> > 100 METERS of cable - but it was Really Truly Very Nice
> > Cable, and I did NOT use ordinary VGA connectors to do this...
>
> Have you described what you did in that case before?

No, because I doubt that it would be of much use to the readers
of this group; but just for the sake of satisfying curiousities, this
was an experiment performed for a customer who (obviously)
interested in doing some SERIOUS "remoting" of monitors, for
reasons that are unimportant here. We managed to get a very
usable image at the end of a 100 meter length of cable, but
the cable in question was some very, VERY nice low-loss
coax that had been special-ordered from Belden. It's not
something that most people would be able to do, of course, but
I offer it as an example that simple length alone is not THAT
big a deal - it's a matter of cable quality, losses, the ambient
environment, etc..

Bob M.
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