Advice on Graphics Card Upgrade Please?

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Which is the Most Cost Effective Graphics Card Upgrade for this System, so
that I can play the new generation of Games.
Ideally card available in UK.

XP Home SP1,
Gigabyte GA-81DX Intel 845 AGPset, 400w Power Supply
P4 1700Hz
640 SDram
40 G Western Digital HD
120 G OEM Samsung HD
RealTek Ethernet card connected to 4 port Netgear DS104 Hub
US Robotics SporsterFlash Modem
Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB Modem
CD/DVD player
CD/CDr/CDrw
SoundBlaster Live Card
Hauppage Nova-T PCI card
Geforce 4 MX460 64MBram Graphics
17" Samsung SyncMaster 753 DFX monitor
USB Canoscan Scanner
USB Canon S300 Printer


Paul Woodsford
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    Sine you only have a 1.7Ghz P4, the new generation of games will not play
    really well no matter what vid card you buy but......

    One of the lesser DX9 cards should be more than adequate. If your P4 was
    2.5Ghz+ I would recommend something like an ATI 9600 Pro...but your cpu will
    be the bottleneck

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    > Which is the Most Cost Effective Graphics Card Upgrade for this System, so
    > that I can play the new generation of Games.
    > Ideally card available in UK.
    >
    > XP Home SP1,
    > Gigabyte GA-81DX Intel 845 AGPset, 400w Power Supply
    > P4 1700Hz
    > 640 SDram
    > 40 G Western Digital HD
    > 120 G OEM Samsung HD
    > RealTek Ethernet card connected to 4 port Netgear DS104 Hub
    > US Robotics SporsterFlash Modem
    > Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB Modem
    > CD/DVD player
    > CD/CDr/CDrw
    > SoundBlaster Live Card
    > Hauppage Nova-T PCI card
    > Geforce 4 MX460 64MBram Graphics
    > 17" Samsung SyncMaster 753 DFX monitor
    > USB Canoscan Scanner
    > USB Canon S300 Printer
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    >
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    cost effective and upgrade all in one sentence is like military
    intelligence. if gamin is what u wanna do, then be patient save and conserve
    and get what will do the job, pinhcin pennies will work if yer not really a
    gamer. ya might seriously wanna look at gettin away from pairin up p4's
    thunderous front side bus with anything that runs at less than it. also
    note, Williamette cored p4's didn't last long, they are cheap right now cuz
    Northwood was a serious advance in techonology over it, and the lower end
    Northwoods look might cheap right now. gettin back to the question at hand,
    no matter what video card u put in there, a p4 is choked by SDRAM.

    ....Syn...
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    I take your point that the CPU and memory are less than high end, but one
    thing at a time.

    The CPU/ MB/and memory will be next on list for upgrade.

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    : cost effective and upgrade all in one sentence is like military
    : intelligence. if gamin is what u wanna do, then be patient save and
    conserve
    : and get what will do the job, pinhcin pennies will work if yer not really
    a
    : gamer. ya might seriously wanna look at gettin away from pairin up p4's
    : thunderous front side bus with anything that runs at less than it. also
    : note, Williamette cored p4's didn't last long, they are cheap right now
    cuz
    : Northwood was a serious advance in techonology over it, and the lower end
    : Northwoods look might cheap right now. gettin back to the question at
    hand,
    : no matter what video card u put in there, a p4 is choked by SDRAM.
    :
    : ...Syn...
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    actually i'm not on about "high end" or what not, simply put memory and
    frontside bus speeds should exactly the same for optimal performance. "high
    end" would something completely different. Your current 845 and p4 are not
    utilizing the spec'd front bus with that memory. it's cheaper cuz it's not
    efficient. and for those who don't game or who won't notice the performance
    loss, cheap is always the way to go.

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    On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:13:02 +0100, "Paul Woodsford"
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    >Which is the Most Cost Effective Graphics Card Upgrade for this System, so
    >that I can play the new generation of Games.
    >Ideally card available in UK.
    >
    >XP Home SP1,
    >Gigabyte GA-81DX Intel 845 AGPset, 400w Power Supply
    >P4 1700Hz
    >640 SDram
    >40 G Western Digital HD
    >120 G OEM Samsung HD
    >RealTek Ethernet card connected to 4 port Netgear DS104 Hub
    >US Robotics SporsterFlash Modem
    >Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB Modem
    >CD/DVD player
    >CD/CDr/CDrw
    >SoundBlaster Live Card
    >Hauppage Nova-T PCI card
    >Geforce 4 MX460 64MBram Graphics
    >17" Samsung SyncMaster 753 DFX monitor
    >USB Canoscan Scanner
    >USB Canon S300 Printer
    >
    >
    >Paul Woodsford
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    Ah hah,, the time honoured "can of worms" question for today => Which
    is the best...

    I can see a few different answers coming from those who have had
    previous knowledge in this area. Here's mine..

    A GeForce 4 MX-460 is but one step away from a Ti4200 (64 or 128mb),
    albeit a big step in terms of tech specs, however, you wont really
    notice a hell of a big "real world" leap in on-screen performance
    (this I can tell you from experience as I went from a GF4 MX-440 to a
    Ti4200),, but it will be better. It will tend to not slow down so much
    when you get into the rough stuff and textures will seem more
    vibrant... I would still recommend this card as a viable contender for
    the "all-rounder" title for a system like yours... The only thing
    against it is that it might still carry a reasonably hefty price tag
    for its generation age = remember, I said it "might" = If you can find
    a cheap one of a reasonbly good brand name, get it.. Be a little
    careful though and compare prices to Ti4400's and/or Ti4600's,
    remembering that each one of these is also a step upwards - with the
    extra cost added to it - but since they are being phased out, you
    might get the deal of a lifetime somewhere...

    If you have to spend bigger dollars getting one of the higher end Ti
    cards then you may still consider going for a standard FX5700 which
    may be slightly cheaper than a Ti4600 but it will perform about the
    same as it, with the added bouns that it is DX9 compliant. Moving up
    from the FX5700 will start to chew into your wallet and blow the bang
    for buck equation all to heck.. Getting an FX5200 or 5600 will prove
    fruitless as they will be equal to or worse than your present MX-460,
    so they are hereby "out of the picture"...

    In your case, you are locked in a very "touch and go" position. On one
    hand, you CAN improve your graphics from a GF4 MX cards capabilities
    by simply going to the next step on the graphics card hierarchy
    ladder,, but on the other hand, your MX-460 is the best of the GF4 MX
    cards available which means that any step up, in terms of bang per
    buck, may not yield the most promising results. By that I mean the
    next card up is the Ti4200, then the Ti4400, then the Ti4600 as you
    know,, but prices may not be justified by your "Cost Effective"
    basis..

    I will stick my neck out here and say that all current games will
    still run on your MX-460 but whether it will pleasantly handle them is
    another issue best answered by cpmaring it to the next card upwards.
    Moving up from here is an issue which may have to be dealt with with a
    large wallet rather than on a cost effective basis.. MX cards are
    almost given away but Ti cards still command a respectable pricetag,
    "if", you can still find them... Cost Effective always means
    compromise => wanting the best - not wanting to pay for it - winding
    up by getting second or even third best...

    Ti4200's were always considered to be the best all-rounder of the Ti
    series given their cost vs performance. That's why they out-sold the
    rest, right to the end of their production. A Ti4200 is not that big a
    jump up from an MX-460 - Believe me...!!!
    Forget the DirectX issue between cards and concern yourelf only with
    on-screen results.

    I could only give you 2 different answers...

    1).. The Ti4200 is a great all-rounder. Cost vs performance is worth
    considering but not much better "actual" noticable performance than
    the MX-460...

    2).. The FX5700 is small but noticably better than a Ti4200 and may
    NOT cost as much as a Ti4600 and will give the Ti4600 a small kick in
    the pants. It may also be in the same price bracket as a Ti4200,,
    maybe a tad more...

    Ti4200 or FX5700... Your call...!!!

    One final call = I could easily overclock my Ti4200 and get great
    results, probably equal to a Ti4400's performance...
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