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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
rms
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
rms
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"rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
news:NVjcc.5919$6Z1.1129@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>
> rms
>
I'll wait to see the benchmarks for the released version of the R420 and
the NV40, but it's both encouraging and not a surprise that these two
GPU's will pull in terrific benchmark numbers compared to anything
available today. Chances are that I will wait for a product refresh to
happen around Christmas and hope to pick up the first-gen R420 or NV40
at half their initial release price.
"rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
news:NVjcc.5919$6Z1.1129@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>
> rms
>
I'll wait to see the benchmarks for the released version of the R420 and
the NV40, but it's both encouraging and not a surprise that these two
GPU's will pull in terrific benchmark numbers compared to anything
available today. Chances are that I will wait for a product refresh to
happen around Christmas and hope to pick up the first-gen R420 or NV40
at half their initial release price.
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rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no textures.
--
maniac
maniac(at)chello.pl
http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no textures.
--
maniac
maniac(at)chello.pl
http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
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"maniac" <maniac@spam.sux.chello.pl> wrote in message
news:mdkcc.368685$Or1.131522@news.chello.at...
> rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
>
> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>
> Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no
textures.
>
> --
> maniac
> maniac(at)chello.pl
> http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
Fortunately, or unfortunately, this speculation on preproduction
boards, means nothing about how a board we can actually buy
will perform.
Luck;
Ken
"maniac" <maniac@spam.sux.chello.pl> wrote in message
news:mdkcc.368685$Or1.131522@news.chello.at...
> rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
>
> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>
> Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no
textures.
>
> --
> maniac
> maniac(at)chello.pl
> http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
Fortunately, or unfortunately, this speculation on preproduction
boards, means nothing about how a board we can actually buy
will perform.
Luck;
Ken
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:54:37 -0500, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"maniac" <maniac@spam.sux.chello.pl> wrote in message
>news:mdkcc.368685$Or1.131522@news.chello.at...
>> rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
>>
>> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>>
>> Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no
>textures.
>>
>> --
>> maniac
>> maniac(at)chello.pl
>> http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
>
> Fortunately, or unfortunately, this speculation on preproduction
>boards, means nothing about how a board we can actually buy
>will perform.
>
>Luck;
> Ken
>
Will this Vboard come out with ddr3 cause in this case it will come
out only in 2006 so...
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:54:37 -0500, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"maniac" <maniac@spam.sux.chello.pl> wrote in message
>news:mdkcc.368685$Or1.131522@news.chello.at...
>> rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
>>
>> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>>
>> Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no
>textures.
>>
>> --
>> maniac
>> maniac(at)chello.pl
>> http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
>
> Fortunately, or unfortunately, this speculation on preproduction
>boards, means nothing about how a board we can actually buy
>will perform.
>
>Luck;
> Ken
>
Will this Vboard come out with ddr3 cause in this case it will come
out only in 2006 so...
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If a 5950U is $400+, what will one of the "twice as fast" boards cost?
MIKE
"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@no-mail-please.com> wrote in message
news:1073rp7iiodhv53@corp.supernews.com...
> "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
> news:NVjcc.5919$6Z1.1129@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
> >
> > rms
> >
>
>
> I'll wait to see the benchmarks for the released version of the R420 and
> the NV40, but it's both encouraging and not a surprise that these two
> GPU's will pull in terrific benchmark numbers compared to anything
> available today. Chances are that I will wait for a product refresh to
> happen around Christmas and hope to pick up the first-gen R420 or NV40
> at half their initial release price.
>
>
If a 5950U is $400+, what will one of the "twice as fast" boards cost?
MIKE
"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@no-mail-please.com> wrote in message
news:1073rp7iiodhv53@corp.supernews.com...
> "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
> news:NVjcc.5919$6Z1.1129@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
> >
> > rms
> >
>
>
> I'll wait to see the benchmarks for the released version of the R420 and
> the NV40, but it's both encouraging and not a surprise that these two
> GPU's will pull in terrific benchmark numbers compared to anything
> available today. Chances are that I will wait for a product refresh to
> happen around Christmas and hope to pick up the first-gen R420 or NV40
> at half their initial release price.
>
>
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:11:04 -0500, "Mike B" <mikebutler33@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>If a 5950U is $400+, what will one of the "twice as fast" boards cost?
>
~ $500, at initial release.
It is a matter of profit-margin and what the "enthusiast"market will
bear, not silicon/board manufacturing costs. Prices above $500
cause even "foaming-at-the-mouth" enthusiasts to think twice
before opening their pocket-books.
John Lewis
>MIKE
>
>"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@no-mail-please.com> wrote in message
>news:1073rp7iiodhv53@corp.supernews.com...
>> "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
>> news:NVjcc.5919$6Z1.1129@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
>> >
>> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>> >
>> > rms
>> >
>>
>>
>> I'll wait to see the benchmarks for the released version of the R420 and
>> the NV40, but it's both encouraging and not a surprise that these two
>> GPU's will pull in terrific benchmark numbers compared to anything
>> available today. Chances are that I will wait for a product refresh to
>> happen around Christmas and hope to pick up the first-gen R420 or NV40
>> at half their initial release price.
>>
>>
>
>
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:11:04 -0500, "Mike B" <mikebutler33@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>If a 5950U is $400+, what will one of the "twice as fast" boards cost?
>
~ $500, at initial release.
It is a matter of profit-margin and what the "enthusiast"market will
bear, not silicon/board manufacturing costs. Prices above $500
cause even "foaming-at-the-mouth" enthusiasts to think twice
before opening their pocket-books.
John Lewis
>MIKE
>
>"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@no-mail-please.com> wrote in message
>news:1073rp7iiodhv53@corp.supernews.com...
>> "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
>> news:NVjcc.5919$6Z1.1129@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
>> >
>> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>> >
>> > rms
>> >
>>
>>
>> I'll wait to see the benchmarks for the released version of the R420 and
>> the NV40, but it's both encouraging and not a surprise that these two
>> GPU's will pull in terrific benchmark numbers compared to anything
>> available today. Chances are that I will wait for a product refresh to
>> happen around Christmas and hope to pick up the first-gen R420 or NV40
>> at half their initial release price.
>>
>>
>
>
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more proof of how GPU-depedenent 3DMark03 is.
more proof of how GPU-depedenent 3DMark03 is.
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Ken Maltby wrote:
> "maniac" <maniac@spam.sux.chello.pl> wrote in message
> news:mdkcc.368685$Or1.131522@news.chello.at...
>
>>rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>>
>>Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no
>
> textures.
>
>>--
>>maniac
>>maniac(at)chello.pl
>>http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
>
>
> Fortunately, or unfortunately, this speculation on preproduction
> boards, means nothing about how a board we can actually buy
> will perform.
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
Remember the speculation on the FX? I hope it pans out the same LOL
Ken Maltby wrote:
> "maniac" <maniac@spam.sux.chello.pl> wrote in message
> news:mdkcc.368685$Or1.131522@news.chello.at...
>
>>rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> nie ma racji, ale pisze, ¿e:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>>
>>Yeah sure... NV40 just rendered wire frames only. Or there was no
>
> textures.
>
>>--
>>maniac
>>maniac(at)chello.pl
>>http://www.tweak.pl/ Staff
>
>
> Fortunately, or unfortunately, this speculation on preproduction
> boards, means nothing about how a board we can actually buy
> will perform.
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
Remember the speculation on the FX? I hope it pans out the same LOL
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:09:01 GMT, "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net>
wrote:
>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>
>rms
I wouldn't worry about it...
www.anandtech.com has done a good review of the Nvidia 6800
Its about 30~60% faster than the 9800Pro... The ATI X800 isn't out
yet...
Nvidia can't claim VICTORY yet... product isn't shipping yet... and
with the R420 so close to release... many people who blow $500 on a
video card will wait a few weeks before deciding.
And how many games really bring down their 9800Pros and 5900Ultras?
The 8600 is HUGE and requires a 550watt PSU in your computer...
If the ATI X800 still powers fine with your 300watt PSUs like the 9800
- then even if its 5% slower (we don't know) it will get more sales.
Remember... a HUGE video card like the 6800 with TWO power connectors
is also dumping a LOT OF HEAT into your system,
--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!!
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:09:01 GMT, "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net>
wrote:
>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169
>
>rms
I wouldn't worry about it...
www.anandtech.com has done a good review of the Nvidia 6800
Its about 30~60% faster than the 9800Pro... The ATI X800 isn't out
yet...
Nvidia can't claim VICTORY yet... product isn't shipping yet... and
with the R420 so close to release... many people who blow $500 on a
video card will wait a few weeks before deciding.
And how many games really bring down their 9800Pros and 5900Ultras?
The 8600 is HUGE and requires a 550watt PSU in your computer...
If the ATI X800 still powers fine with your 300watt PSUs like the 9800
- then even if its 5% slower (we don't know) it will get more sales.
Remember... a HUGE video card like the 6800 with TWO power connectors
is also dumping a LOT OF HEAT into your system,
--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!!
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
I wouldn't worry about it...
www.anandtech.com has done a good review of the Nvidia 6800
Its about 30~60% faster than the 9800Pro... The ATI X800 isn't out
yet...
Nvidia can't claim VICTORY yet... product isn't shipping yet... and
with the R420 so close to release... many people who blow $500 on a
video card will wait a few weeks before deciding.
And how many games really bring down their 9800Pros and 5900Ultras?
The 8600 is HUGE and requires a 550watt PSU in your computer...
If the ATI X800 still powers fine with your 300watt PSUs like the 9800
- then even if its 5% slower (we don't know) it will get more sales.
Remember... a HUGE video card like the 6800 with TWO power connectors
is also dumping a LOT OF HEAT into your system,
--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
550watt PS,really. where did you read that?
I wouldn't worry about it...
www.anandtech.com has done a good review of the Nvidia 6800
Its about 30~60% faster than the 9800Pro... The ATI X800 isn't out
yet...
Nvidia can't claim VICTORY yet... product isn't shipping yet... and
with the R420 so close to release... many people who blow $500 on a
video card will wait a few weeks before deciding.
And how many games really bring down their 9800Pros and 5900Ultras?
The 8600 is HUGE and requires a 550watt PSU in your computer...
If the ATI X800 still powers fine with your 300watt PSUs like the 9800
- then even if its 5% slower (we don't know) it will get more sales.
Remember... a HUGE video card like the 6800 with TWO power connectors
is also dumping a LOT OF HEAT into your system,
--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
550watt PS,really. where did you read that?
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On 4/15/2004 7:03 PM Courseyauto brightened our day with:
Mein gott that's a terrible quoting/reply system you've got there at aol.
--
"Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
Steve [Inglo]
On 4/15/2004 7:03 PM Courseyauto brightened our day with:
Mein gott that's a terrible quoting/reply system you've got there at aol.
--
"Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
Steve [Inglo]
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Wow! Twice as fast.... thanks to buggy/tweaked beta drivers.
Strange that NVidia's driver bugs always seem to help rather than hurt
their 3DMark performance.
Here is an excerpt from a DriverHeaven article:
"Its very clear to me that the 6800Ultra is not rendering the
reference image as desired by 3Dmark, regardless of any performance
impact and therefore isnt comparable to any other card. This in result
is no different to the optimisations in previous drivers which
Futuremark have frowned upon. "
You can read more here:
http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/driverIQ/index.htm
Just for the record, I'm not an ATI fanboy. I own cards by both ATI &
NVidia, and I'll be first in line to purchase the BEST next-gen
card... I just wish that NVidia would stop cheating with tweaked
drivers and misleading comparisons (e.g. Farcry pixel shaders).
--
James Frith j.frith@comcast.net
Wow! Twice as fast.... thanks to buggy/tweaked beta drivers.
Strange that NVidia's driver bugs always seem to help rather than hurt
their 3DMark performance.
Here is an excerpt from a DriverHeaven article:
"Its very clear to me that the 6800Ultra is not rendering the
reference image as desired by 3Dmark, regardless of any performance
impact and therefore isnt comparable to any other card. This in result
is no different to the optimisations in previous drivers which
Futuremark have frowned upon. "
You can read more here:
http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/driverIQ/index.htm
Just for the record, I'm not an ATI fanboy. I own cards by both ATI &
NVidia, and I'll be first in line to purchase the BEST next-gen
card... I just wish that NVidia would stop cheating with tweaked
drivers and misleading comparisons (e.g. Farcry pixel shaders).
--
James Frith j.frith@comcast.net
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