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July 6, 2011 6:09:59 AM

So, are we going backwards?
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July 6, 2011 6:14:32 AM

Well with their current size and more functions with the processors and memory, they'd make pretty mean server chips.
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July 6, 2011 6:25:08 AM

Just keep that electromagnet well clear of your HDD(s) O.o
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July 6, 2011 6:27:09 AM

is it me or are we slowly phasing out the current technologies?

magnetic processors replacing today's processors, graphene replacing silicone, phase change memory replacing flash....

is it really that good to replace everything? im having trouble keeping up with all this
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July 6, 2011 7:14:18 AM

It is an idea, in practice it will never work.
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July 6, 2011 7:20:46 AM

alhanelemis it me or are we slowly phasing out the current technologies?magnetic processors replacing today's processors, graphene replacing silicone, phase change memory replacing flash....is it really that good to replace everything? im having trouble keeping up with all this



What I see is simple concepts like IC's being flung around in one million different tech ideas. Basically, everyone will have their own way of doing one simple thing. This will be too economically straining on the world.
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July 6, 2011 8:12:24 AM

CuecuemoreJust keep that electromagnet well clear of your HDD(s) O.o


you do know your hdd has the biggest most powerful magnet inside it compared to every other component in the system hell more powerful then most speaker magnets for short range?
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July 6, 2011 8:14:07 AM

Yup it's good to dream, and it's great to keep working towards them and making them a reality. It's also good not to bee too skeptical about new tech. They may sound impractical now, but hey, 200 years ago if you told anyone about a transistor the size of a large bacterium, you'd be put in a mad-house.
Actually even 70 years ago it wasn't really thought possible.

Ultra low power processors may be the future to a sustainable economy...imagine comps running off solar panels, and powering Crysis 8 maxed out in full 4D? :D 
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July 6, 2011 10:11:25 AM

"All right, let's be optimistic here: it's not going to entirely wipe power-hungry processors and memory off the charts anytime soon."

Um, is it just me or does this first (bolded) sentence make absolutely no sense? I think you meant realistic and not optimistic?

Power-hungry carries a hugely negative connotation and also the article implies that you are "dream"ing about this newer technology, so I cannot think of any other explanation.

Needless to say, whether I have somehow misinterpreted your meaning or not, it clearly looks like a mistake right now.
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July 6, 2011 10:13:29 AM

I always think about who's gonna be the one to throw away every convention we have, and start from the ground up. Like setting up an R&D dept that pretends to not know sockets, slots, cpu's, gpu's, atx, m-atx, x86, x64, ARM exists at all. Start out with specific goals for size, computational power, and power consumption. Pretty hard i bet but i can dream. :) 
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July 6, 2011 11:14:18 AM

These ideas are really nothing new, quantum computing and other similar ideas have been floated around before. Generally these types of processors do one useless task incredibly fast and have a whole lot of trouble doing anything else at any speed. Transistors aren't so bad for now, money would be better spent switching away from silicon in order to make the next leap. Then again the number of FLOPS your machine is capable of is really more than enough for the average Joe, just tell your software manufacturer to quit using so many of them to do simple tasks :) 
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July 6, 2011 11:30:56 AM

Maybe someday a computer can render and store a dream for instantaneous playback... once we learn how to jack into our noggins. hah ;-)
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July 6, 2011 12:15:06 PM

if this is so easy and simple to do how come we don't use it now? wait...it's not...what about price?
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July 6, 2011 12:17:11 PM

dogman_1234So, are we going backwards?


Hahah - you have no idea!

In fact this concept is rather similar to an earlier computational model which I post below. It's just that they use magnets so they stick together:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus
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July 6, 2011 12:48:59 PM

CuecuemoreJust keep that electromagnet well clear of your HDD(s) O.o


forgot to say this, it takes an industrial car magnet at around 200mT (millitesla) and stronger to wipe a HDD. Even bar magnets cant do much to it, let alone these magnetic processors.
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July 6, 2011 1:14:29 PM

alhanelemis it me or are we slowly phasing out the current technologies?magnetic processors replacing today's processors, graphene replacing silicone, phase change memory replacing flash....is it really that good to replace everything? im having trouble keeping up with all this


graphene replacing silicone - graphene in labs can handle 50ghz on air cooling. and are capable of running at speeds that are impossible (faster than light... when i say faster than light i dont mean it works, it doesnt, but it can handle that kind of speed.) without to extreme of cooling measures.

phase change memory replacing flash - its faster than what we currently have, and is a step in the right direction.

magnetic processors replacing today's processors - they wont, ever... for a real computer, they will never replace it. however, on a server, on other things that need a processor but don't need an emencly powerful one this would use less power than most things use while its turned completely off (but still plugged in)
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July 6, 2011 1:30:58 PM

Well, less power=less heat= less fan noise


.....Time to get rid of my fans :) 
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July 6, 2011 1:32:58 PM

Im still waiting for my quantum desktop computer.. I think I'll get that right after I buy my flying car..
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July 6, 2011 2:39:42 PM

ojasforgot to say this, it takes an industrial car magnet at around 200mT (millitesla) and stronger to wipe a HDD. Even bar magnets cant do much to it, let alone these magnetic processors.


I think the point was that the HDD would screw up the proc, not the other way around
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July 6, 2011 2:43:34 PM

none of this is going to happen. research like this has always been happening, adoption of it rarely occurs
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July 6, 2011 2:46:35 PM

alhanelem...graphene replacing silicone...

Tetraethoxysilane resins? What's that got to do with ICs? Did you mean silicon?
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July 6, 2011 3:00:05 PM

Magnet science to the rescue!!! The good researchers at 4chan thought about that long ago.
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July 6, 2011 3:06:31 PM

So, to OC those things are we going to need a Tesla reactor?

Cheers! xD!
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July 6, 2011 3:27:55 PM

tommyschMagnet science to the rescue!!! The good researchers at 4chan thought about that long ago.

But how do they work ? And why can't I hold all of them... Hnnnnnngggggg....
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July 6, 2011 3:56:10 PM

in mobiles phone this culd get realy interesting, you culd run it for weeks if your screen is inactive most of the time
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July 6, 2011 4:03:34 PM

caedenvI think the point was that the HDD would screw up the proc, not the other way around


no read that guys post again: keep the electromagnet well away from the HDD.

And for all the skeptics, i just read in the CPU magazine (computer power user):

"Initial discussions of Tri-Gate transistor designs occurred in the mid-1990s, through work done at the University of California, Berkeley. Intel made its first Tri-Gate announcement in 2002, and it published a few research papers over the next several years. In May 2011, though, the company was ready to make the transition official, announcing that all of its future transistors would feature the Tri-Gate design."

Wait 15 years to see this happen then...

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July 6, 2011 4:51:21 PM

The magnet processor is interesting, hope to see an implementation for it in the near future.
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July 6, 2011 5:35:28 PM

The question is - can it run Crisis?
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July 6, 2011 6:14:47 PM

elcentralin mobiles phone this culd get realy interesting, you culd run it for weeks if your screen is inactive most of the time


Just keep the phone out of your pockets or your credit cards will be rendered useless.
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July 6, 2011 10:31:09 PM

Quote:
" The magnets are also vulnerable to random "fluctuations from thermal effects, stray electromagnetic fields and other kinds of noise."

sucks if you live near high transmission power lines, radio or television stations, cell towers and microwave towers, cell phones perhaps (idkfs)
defintely not going to work for laptops and on electric trains/streetcars unless they can sheild the whole machine from this interference.
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July 7, 2011 12:28:48 AM

Make it out of atoms. You can test the charge on any atom right? Well if you remove an electron, that's a 1, and if you have an electron that's a 0. No moving electrons, no giganto magnets, and it's the smallest you can make... There I just made the new supercomputer!!!
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July 7, 2011 12:46:06 AM

If I remember correctly, the closer that you get to the Landauer limit, the longer any calculation takes. It becomes a random walk towards the final state, and you spend a lot of time going backwards.

Scientific American had something on this in July of 1985, co-written by Landauer. It is very briefly available online for free: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-fu...
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July 7, 2011 1:15:30 AM

nice... finally, someone really understood how magnets work.
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July 7, 2011 2:22:15 AM

I'd like to see something about how much this costs. If they can make parts at the 100nm x 200nm level, we're already where we were at with transistors in 1997.

I imagine if the cost wasn't prohibitive, this would be great to just build a CPU the size of a cellphone and sell it as a "5W Server Processor". Heck, you could put it in a laptop and just use the space a battery takes up and promise 20 hours battery life (how much does a screen use?). If they get the costs down--this could be awesome! Size isn't completely limiting considering that if my CPU was 10x bigger, it would still take up less space than my heatsink.
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July 7, 2011 2:31:38 AM

FloKidMake it out of atoms. You can test the charge on any atom right? Well if you remove an electron, that's a 1, and if you have an electron that's a 0. No moving electrons, no giganto magnets, and it's the smallest you can make... There I just made the new supercomputer!!!
Yeah, you can say something cool. Gene Roddenberry did that with Star Trek. But can you build it? Because they can build simple versions of these at UC Berkeley.
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July 7, 2011 9:02:24 AM

At the rate technology is evolving, I have hopes for this.
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July 7, 2011 3:00:06 PM

I could see nasa geting interested in this , , think about it , currently nasa uses 40 year old computer tech in all new space exloration plans , becuase the tech is relable doesnt over heat easy , and can stand up to "gorrila" engineering (aka some one beatign on the computer). these mangnets certainly soudn mor durible tuan today's cpu's (which are totally destroyed if you run your finger over the chip with any pressure). they certainly run cooler , and use WAAAAYYY less pwoer that conventional chips.
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July 7, 2011 9:22:48 PM

This is nothing more than an academic curiosity IMO. Photonics and graphene hold much more promise.
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July 8, 2011 10:43:50 PM

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS. WILL THIS WORK ON A MAC. GOD BLESS
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July 12, 2011 7:18:37 PM

Yeah - to the people who made comments about it ruining your HDDs. It's more likely the other way round - the magnetic fields in the processors would be very tiny, very local, and *very* sensitive. I imagine most of the packaging for these CPUs will be shielding.
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July 23, 2011 12:36:26 AM

ojasYup it's good to dream, and it's great to keep working towards them and making them a reality. It's also good not to bee too skeptical about new tech. They may sound impractical now, but hey, 200 years ago if you told anyone about a transistor the size of a large bacterium, you'd be put in a mad-house. Actually even 70 years ago it wasn't really thought possible.Ultra low power processors may be the future to a sustainable economy...imagine comps running off solar panels, and powering Crysis 8 maxed out in full 4D?


i dont think we can hope to live till crysis 8 lol well who knows maybe we will all become immortal and turn into androids that keep changing our internal parts. See u online then :) 
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July 25, 2011 12:54:12 PM

Very interesting project let's wait with our hopes until they have functioning memory module. Performance of this parts are still unknown.
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Anonymous
September 17, 2011 8:56:34 PM

if you use a tesla switch you can probably make current processors consume 1/1M the power, and your hard disk also!
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October 1, 2013 12:15:43 AM

Please don't forget that power consumption = heat. A magnetic processor could run at maximum stable speed at room temperature, no need for cooling.
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