Hello everyone! I've finally built up the gaul to make my own system from scratch. I have previously purchased Dell and Gateway PCs, but I have been reading these forums and other tech sites and I believe I can piece together my own machine. I will include the list of parts below which I am intending on buying from newegg, but first a couple questions have arisen in my mind:
1) Is PC3200 DDR400? And if so, which version of this ram is supported by my selected Asus P4C800-E DELUXE mainboard?
2) Is there anything I am missing from my configuration or are there any potential hardware conflicts? Does anyone have any experiences with these specific parts listed?
3) Does anyone have any experience with a good CPU fan over the stock one?
4) Anything else you can tell me by looking at my proposed system!
Qty Product Item # Unit Price Qty x Price
Accessories - Hard Drive
Coolmax Serial ATA Power Adaptor Cable (See Pics)
6-Inch, SATA ( SERIAL ATA Power Adapter. ) SERIAL ATA(15-Pin) to 4-Pin to Power Supply. more info>
N82E16812104652 $4.99
$4.99 ea.@2+
$4.99 ea.@3+
$4.99 ea.@5+
$9.98
Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)
AOPEN Model# H700B w/ 350W POWER SUPPLY - RETAIL
Specifications:
Material: 1mm Steel
Form Factor:ATX/microATX/Full AT
Bays:5.25" x 6/0, 3.5" x 2/5 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots:7
Power Supply: 350W
Dimensions: 18.7"(D) x 7.87"(W) x 24.61"(H)
Color: Black/Grey more info>
N82E16811130141 $115.00
$115.00
CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Plextor 52x24x52 BLACK CD-RW ATAPI Drive Model PX-W5224TA-BPS-BL - OEM Bulk pack w/ Roxio 6.0, Photosuite 5E, and Dantc Retrospect Software
Specifications:
BLACK Color Bezel
Speed: 52X write, 24X rewrite, 52X read
Interface: E-IDE ATAPI
Buffer Under Run Proof technology prevents buffer underrun errors
2 MB Buffer
Supports Disc-at-Once, Track-at-Once, Session-at-Once, Multisession, Variable & Fixed packet writing modes and Mt. Rainier
Flash ROM allows for easy upgrade over the Internet
Windows 98/2000/ME/XP
One-Year Full Warranty and Unlimited Toll-Free Tech Support
OEM Bulk pack w/ Roxio 6.0, Photosuite 5E, and Dantc Retrospect Software more info>
N82E16827106242 $70.00
$70.00
CD/DVD ROM Drives
SONY DDU1612/B2 BLACK 16X DVD ROM Drive (48X CD-ROM Speed) - OEM
Specifications:
Black Color Bezel
Interface: EIDE ATAPI
Buffer: 512KB
Access time: 80-220ms DVD, 165ms CD
MTBF: 100,000 POH
Sustained Data Transfer Rate: 1800~3600 kB/s (CD)
OEM pack (DRIVE ONLY) more info>
N82E16827131003 $39.99
$39.99
Floppy Drives
►Top Seller!
SAMSUNG 1.44MB BLACK FLOPPY DRIVE Model# SFD321B/LBL - OEM, DRIVE ONLY
Specifications:
Capacity: 1.44 MB Connector 34 Pin Standard Floppy
Works With All Standard 1.44MB & 72OKB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes are compatible with all industry standard 1.44MB and 72OKB 3.5 floppy diskettes.
Easy to Install! Just Plug & Play! * For IBM5 & 100% Compatible Computers .
1 Year Warranty more info>
N82E16821103203 $8.50
$8.50
Hard Drives
Seagate 120GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive Barracuda 7200.7 ST3120026AS - OEM
Specifications:
Size: 120 Gigabytes
Interface: Serial ATA
Seek time: 8.5ms
RPM:7200
Data Transfer: 150MB/sec
Cache 8MB
(OEM See pic) 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty: Requires additional Power adapter more info>
N82E16822148017 $119.00
$238.00
Keyboards
Logitech BLACK Elite Keyboard - RETAIL
Features:
Stylish Ultra-flat, Zero Degree Tilt keyboard design for increased comfort
Enhanced function key commands: Nine customizable keys for one-touch access to favorite web sites and applications
iNav buttons and scroll wheel for keyboard-based web navigation
Multimedia keys to control audio and video directly from the keyboard more info>
N82E16823126114 $33.00
$33.00
Memory (System Memory)
CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 512MB 64MX64 PC-3200C2PT With Platinum - Silver Heat Spreader OEM
Specifications:
Speed 400 MHz
Organization 64M x 64
CAS Latency 2-3-3-6-T1
Memory type DDR
Part number: CMX512-3200C2PT more info>
N82E16820145420 $128.50
$514.00
Modems
US Robotics USR5610B 56K V.92 Internal PCI Performance Pro FaxModem Data/Fax Only (No Voice) - RETAIL Controller-based for superior performance. ControlCenter for optimum modem performance. Internet Call Notification (ICN) puts you in charge of incoming calls. This modem supports Linux and Windows, so it will work with a wide range of business applications and games. And speaking of games, you can switch the Performance Pro Modem into gaming mode any time you’re ready for some online competition. more info>
N82E16825104131 $68.00
$68.00
Monitors - LCD Flat Panel
►Back to School Special
Samsung LCD Monitor 191T (Black) 19" LCD Retail
Specifications:
Viewable Area: 19" Resolution 1280-1024
Pixel Pitch: 0.294mm
Contrast Ratio: 500:1
Response Time 25ms
Color Depth: 16.7 Mil
Back light life 20,000 hr (replaceable)
Input Connectors: DB15 VGA + DVI Dead Pixels Policy: Replacement or Refund for 8 or more DEAD PIXELS ONLY! more info>
Standard Warranty only N82E16824001030 $609.00
$609.00
Motherboards - Intel
ASUS Motherboard for Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron Processors, 800Mhz FSB Model# P4C800-E DELUXE Retail
Specifications:
Supported CPU478 Pentium 4 / Celeron
Chipset: Canterwood 875P + ICH5R
FSB:800/533/400 MHz
RAM:2 Channel (dual channel) DDR400/333/266 Max 4GB
IDEual Ultra DMA ATA100/66 up to 4 Devices
RAID: Dual Channel 133/100/66/33 up to 4 Devices & SATA
Slots:1x AGP (8X) 5x PCI
Ports:2xPS2, 1xCOM,1xLPT,1x Audio, 1xLAN,2x IEEE, 8xUSB20
Onboard Audio:AD 1985 6 Channel Codec
Onboard LAN:Intel CSA Gigabit LAN 1000/100
Onboard SATA: Dual Channel Serial ATA up to 150MBs
Onboard Firewire: 2 1394 Firewire ports
built-in Intel PAT (Intel Performance Acceleration Technology) It helps to boost performance by 3~5%. more info>
N82E16813131464 $190.99
$190.99
Mouse
Logitech MX300 Optical Mouse (PS/2 & USB) - RETAIL Features the new Logitech MX Optical Engine, a new tracking technology captures more data with each move you make.
MX Optical Engine delivers more accuracy and control on more surfaces than ever before
MX Optical Engine delivers more accuracy and control on more surfaces than ever before
Comfortable rounded shape fits nicely in both left and right hands
Improve your searching speed by using the scroll wheel to quickly move more info>
N82E16826104127 $29.00
$29.00
Power Supplies
ENERMAX EG465P-VE(FCA). 431W Power supply for AMD K7 & Pentium4. Meet AMD K7 and Intel ATX +12V 1.1 and ATX 2.03 version (Pentium 4 fully support). Ultra cooling design: one 9 cm fan intake heat and one 8 cm fan exhaust heat. FCA function (Fan On/ Off Controlled by M/B & Adjustable), "sleeping mode" . 9cm Thermal Control Fan. Retail box. more info>
N82E16817103419 $89.99
$89.99 ea.@2+
$89.99 ea.@3+
$89.99 ea.@5+
$89.99
Sound Card
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 - RETAIL
DVD-Audio: The only PC solution to enable the Advanced Resolution era of 24-bit music fidelity w/192kHz in stereo and 96kHz in 5.1
106dB SNR: The best Sound Blaster clarity ever, rivaling home-theater audio quality for music, games, & movies
6.1 surround sound: Experience superior multi-channel audio from MP3s, CDs, 3D games and Dolby Digital EX movies with a rear center speaker more info>
N82E16829102154 $112.00
$112.00
Speakers
Klipsch Promedia GMX A-2.1 Personal Audio System - RETAIL Three-piece multimedia speaker system is designed for consumers who want true high-fidelity sound but do not require or have the space for a multi-speaker surround setup.
Features:
Two-identical magnetically shielded satellite speakers with 2-way design: 3-inch woofers & Klipsch’s exclusive MicroTractrix horns; ball joint pedestal mounts that allow them to be aimed securely in almost any direction with just a twist of the hand
Subwoofer with 75-watt amplifier
Control pod with 2 stereo inputs: 1 dual RCA, one 1/8" minijack, headphone output, power button, & master volume control
Superlative dynamic output of 108 dB for music, games, & movies
Wide response from 35-20,000Hz +- 5 dB more info>
Standard Warranty only N82E16836119105 $130.00
$130.00
Video Cards
ASUS V9950 Ultra 256MB GeForce FX5900 Video Card, Model V9950Ultra/TD/256M - Retail
Specifications:
Chipset: GeForce FX5900 Ultra
Memory: DDR 256mb
Bus: 8x
Max Resolution: 2048*1536*32bpp
RAMDAC: 400mhz
Refresh Rate: 60-240 Hz
OS Support: Windows 2K/XP, Windows 98/ME or Windows NT4.0 with Service Pack 3.0 or later more info>
N82E16814121156 $494.99
$494.99
Extend my Standard Warranty on the above qualified items: $159.21
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Thank you for your help, your replies will be most appreciated!
I just added up the cost of the components and it freaking totals to $3543. Thats a lotta money.
I suggest u look into Western Digital Special Edition HDDs. I believe u r getting 2GB RAM, which wud be kind of overkill. And looking at the amount of money u r willing to spend if i were u i wud go for some better Keyboard/Mouse and atleast 5.1 speaker system.
Look for a better case too.
And about the HSF, i hear SLK-900 is one of the best around. But i dont know if they are available for P4s as well.
-Ok, my first question is, why 2GB of RAM?
Are you planning to use it as a rendering Workstation?
-That is a sweet CPU you got there, keep it on the list.
-Mainboard is the highest end here, though a P4P800 would not be bad, since Springdale is definitely good, and the PAT is enabled AFAIK, like Canterwood.
-Your case has some problems. It comes with a PSU, and you are buying one as well!
Consider buying a PSU-less case. I usually would look at Antec, but THG's recent Case reviews might be a good place for you to find the right one. These days windowed cases are all the hype! -Now, the 256MB video card is overkill IMO. You don't need the extra price the 256MB asks, it's totally unjustified. If you can find a 5900 Ultra without 256MB, OR a Radeon 9800PRO 128MB, you will definitely save some money and would put it towards the following.
-Buy yourself a real sound system. Those with THX Certification are expensive, but since you ARE spending a lot already, consider those as a big power to your already powerful system. 5.1 systems with THX run around 200$ for the best audio for the price. Klipsch, Creative, Logitech, all offer great quality, not excluding Altec Lansing, known and respected as a PC audio pioneer.
- The Audigy 2 is a great addition, the best of the best again.
- The Plextor burner is a great addition. Plextor is known for the best quality in burners, so you should definitely not run into problems.
- The HDD should be switched. I agree with Mask. We're just not into SATA yet, drives don't fully utilize the added transfer bandwidth, and I don't see your PSU supporting SATA power cables! I would go for the 120GB WD JB Edition. Great solid performer and one of the few with a 3 year warranty. Consider going for a Retail version for full warranty and cables.
- Mouse and Keyboard are fine, they will work perfectly and offer a lot of good features.
Overall this is a powerful setup you got there. Almost all the parts fit so well and are excellent. Save for the RAM, unless you have special purposes for the 2GBs. Further, explore the case w/o PSU thing, as you will otherwise have to deal with an extra unused PSU.
Good luck!
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System builds are easier. Get your case, throw every componet you have in the case....Shake vigorously...eventually, the computer will become fully assembled. I subscribe to the Monkey-typwriter-sheakspeare method of computer assemblage...
I should have stated, but this is for my parents who aren't interested in upgrading or changing their machine once they get it -- ever. They have had a history of purchasing the top of the line Gateway or Dell PCs for around $3500, then replacing the machine after 3 or 4 years. That being said, I wanted to build them something in that price range that will last them perhaps an extra year or two and have better parts to boot. Just to reply to some of your comments:
1) My question about the ram was whether or not it was compatible with the mainboard. I've noticed there are PC3200 SIMMs which are 64x64, and then there are some of different combinations such as 64x72. I'm not sure what the combinations mean, or if they have an effect on how the board will read it, etc.
2) I chose the two Seagate Serial ATA harddrives because I plan on running a raid, raid 0 I believe is the non-parallel one. I'm not sure if anyone has any experience with this, but I hear it is the best way to get the most out of the drives as far as speed and performance. Anyone out there currently running a raid configuration?
3) The graphics card is absolutely necessary especially with the way new games are being made. I personally own a PNY GeForce Ti 4200 8x 128mb, and I see video lag when playing single player on some new first person shooters. In the years to come things will no doubt get more intensive, as I look at their old computer which had a GeForce with only 32MB of onboard ram, and that was considered excessive for the time.
4) About the spare power supply -- I noticed it but I wanted to replace a 250W power supply on a neighbor's computer, so I figure it doesn't really matter much.
5) The keyboard and mouse were chosen over the wireless MX versions because I hate constantly replacing batteries. It's extremely annoying when the wireless mouse goes out in the middle of doing something, and the wireless mice tend to skip occasionally when moving across the screen.
6) I could probably drop some of the ram, but I just figure the more the better. It can't hurt anything, unless its incompatible with the mainboard :|.
Hopefully this somewhat clears things up. If anyone has anything helpful they'd like to add, feel free. Thanks for all the constructive comments so far
1) Crashman should be able to answer that well, or Bum_JCRules. I think it has to do with parity RAM.
Just buy any RAM that does not say "ECC" or "Registered"
2) Yes but from what I've seen, SATA RAID is just as performing as regular IDE drives. Go for SATA just for how clean the case will be inside. Otherwise a WD JB is much more performing.
3) Trust me, the 256MB is so useless, you need 1600*1200 with 6X AA and 16X Aniso in rare situations to get a slight 10% better performance boost. It's pointless IMO, really pointless. Heck, most cards don't even use all the 128MB!
6) It's really pointless, the RAM. That much will actually slow the PC down as it searches too deep. Furthermore 512MB is the norm and will stay that way for another year. No one will as a home user will need 2GB before a good 3 years. Your parents aren't hardcore gamers who do CAD rendering are they?
Just verify the points I made above on some of the items. It'll be much better.
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1. At first glance I thought that 64x72 had ECC. Error correcting. You don't need that. I'm not sure though.
2. RAID 0 has speed but no redundancy. If one drive fails, you lose everything on both drives. Make sure your parents are willing to accept that risk. I know my parents wouldn't.
3. Are your parents really gamers? I put a voodoo3 3000 in my parents computer and they don't know the difference.
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6. It's a complete waste of money unless your parents are going to use it now.
Let me close by saying that you are going about this the way we all used to go about this years ago. There is absolutely no need to do it that way now though. You could buy a $1000 computer every year and be ahead in terms of performance. From the sounds of it, considering that your parents only upgrade every 3-4 years, they aren't very computer savvy. Why in the world a top of the line videocard, 2GB of RAM, and RAID on that type of machine? Remember, you're the one servicing it right? When the RAID fails you are the one they'll go to. And for what? They'll never notice the speed difference will they?
When it comes down to it, computers are simply advancing far too fast for you to do it this way. My first computer lasted 6 years, my second lasted 6 years, my 3rd lasted 3 years, and I'm on year 2 of this rig but I wish I could have upgraded it a year ago. Things are different now. That videocard will be dirt slow in 2 years. And they won't use it's potential now. It's a complete waste imop.
Your parents might not like the idea of upgrading, but going 3-4-6 years isn't feasable nowadays.
Whereever are parents going to find use for 240GB?
PS: In three years, he'll come back to find the drive space is now a whopping 3MB less, from all that Internet surfing, e-mailing and document editing! --
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