What's the best AGP bios configuration?

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Hi all, I'm not really into agp specs and I need some help.

I've got a Ti4280(128mb - 8x) card, ok?
It is true that the games run slower if I set the card at 8x than 4x? why is
that?

Now about the AGP aperture size, I hear it's good set it at half of current
system memory. I have 768mb, so I put it at 512mb (rather than 256mb).
What's the best setting? and why?

Think only for gaming, ok? games, games and more games!

Thanks,
Vinicio

 

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Vinicio Ascone wrote:
> Hi all, I'm not really into agp specs and I need some help.
>
> I've got a Ti4280(128mb - 8x) card, ok?
> It is true that the games run slower if I set the card at 8x than 4x?
> why is that?
>
> Now about the AGP aperture size, I hear it's good set it at half of
> current system memory. I have 768mb, so I put it at 512mb (rather
> than 256mb). What's the best setting? and why?
>
> Think only for gaming, ok? games, games and more games!
>
> Thanks,
> Vinicio


Leave the AGP setting at the highest available. The speed difference between
4x and 8x is negligable when actually playing games, but 8x is slightly
faster. You will see your benchmarking programs get higher results for
bandwidth etc with 8x than 4x.

As for arpeture size. Set it to the same amout as the amount of memory on
your card, UNLESS this value is greater than 1/4 of your RAM, in which case
set it to 1/4 of your RAM. Thats the rule ive know, how much difference it
makes these days with cards with 256meg of onboard memory i dont know.

I have a Ti4200 (128MB 8x AGP) and 1GB of dual channel DDR400, i set my
arpeture to 128.

Matt

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[lee]

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imo over 128mb agp aperture size you will not see any performance difference
what so ever I was always go with if graphics card is 128mb and system ram
is 512mb or greater set agp aperture size to 128mb.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:21:39 -0300, "Vinicio Ascone"
<vinicioa@technolabcorp.com> wrote:

>:>Hi all, I'm not really into agp specs and I need some help.
>:>
>:>I've got a Ti4280(128mb - 8x) card, ok?
>:>It is true that the games run slower if I set the card at 8x than 4x? why is
>:>that?
>:>
>:>Now about the AGP aperture size, I hear it's good set it at half of current
>:>system memory. I have 768mb, so I put it at 512mb (rather than 256mb).
>:>What's the best setting? and why?
>:>
>:>Think only for gaming, ok? games, games and more games!
>:>
>:>Thanks,
>:>Vinicio
>:>

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Lee.

 

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>
>I've got a Ti4280(128mb - 8x) card, ok?
>It is true that the games run slower if I set the card at 8x than 4x? why is
>that?

That shouldn't be true. It should run "slightly" faster at 8X then 4X. It
doesn't seem to be always the case though. On my system my 8X card runs faster
then 4X with benchmarks. It probably just means my motherboard by design
focused more on 4X. 8X was just starting to be the norm when I bought my
motherboard.

>Now about the AGP aperture size, I hear it's good set it at half of current
>system memory. I have 768mb, so I put it at 512mb (rather than 256mb).
>What's the best setting? and why?

No that's not true anymore. It might have been OK when video cards only had 16
or 32 megs. With todays video cards that have 128, 255 or I think even 512 now
there is not much need for system memory to be used. So with your 128 card, a
setting of 128 or even 64 would be fine. System memory is slower then video
memory so you really wouldn't want to use it unless absolutely necessary. Your
always better with having actual video memory.

That's why with games they will tell you not to use certain settings unless you
have a certain amount of video memory. They never even mention the aperture
size. Probably because it wouldn't help all that much no matter what size you
set it to because the video memory is faster and the aperture is very rarely
used..

So set it to 128 or 64 and forget about it. There is really no difference is
speed with any amount so I set mine to 64.

 

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>You will see your benchmarking programs get higher results for
>bandwidth etc with 8x than 4x

That should be true, but with my NF7-S it's not. My 4200 gets better scores
running at 4X.


>I have a Ti4200 (128MB 8x AGP) and 1GB of dual channel DDR400, i set my
>arpeture to 128.

Yeah it doesn't seem to matter what you set it to with todays cards. I just run
mine at 64.

 

[Guest]

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Do not set AGP aperture size smaller then 32MB, it causes problems.
As long as you have lots of memory on the graphics card itself, aperture
size makes very little difference.
Setting at 64MB or 128MB should be enough.


"Vinicio Ascone" <vinicioa@technolabcorp.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all, I'm not really into agp specs and I need some help.
>
> I've got a Ti4280(128mb - 8x) card, ok?
> It is true that the games run slower if I set the card at 8x than 4x? why
> is
> that?
>
> Now about the AGP aperture size, I hear it's good set it at half of
> current
> system memory. I have 768mb, so I put it at 512mb (rather than 256mb).
> What's the best setting? and why?
>
> Think only for gaming, ok? games, games and more games!
>
> Thanks,
> Vinicio
>
>
>

 

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So, about the AGP 4x-8x, the theory is that 8x runs faster than 4x?
(obviously, thinking that the card and the mother supports the settings).

Why it's not your case? (Private1964) that's because the
"living-continual-mysteries" of PC hardware? (I know nothing seems to be
in hardware until you see it or test it)

I will run some bench today at home with a program call Sandra something (a
friend told me was a good program to test hard), does anyone know it? it's
good enough?

About the aperture size, it's cool, I understand now, I will try 128mb

"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >You will see your benchmarking programs get higher results for
> >bandwidth etc with 8x than 4x
>
> That should be true, but with my NF7-S it's not. My 4200 gets better
scores
> running at 4X.
>
>
> >I have a Ti4200 (128MB 8x AGP) and 1GB of dual channel DDR400, i set my
> >arpeture to 128.
>
> Yeah it doesn't seem to matter what you set it to with todays cards. I
just run
> mine at 64.

 

[Guest]

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>So, about the AGP 4x-8x, the theory is that 8x runs faster than 4x?

It should be faster in theory. If it's not implemented correctly on the
motherboard or video card it probably won't be though like in my case.

You also have to keep in mind that just because you have 8X does not mean it is
being used like with todays games. The bandwith is there but there is nothing
there to stress it.

Lets say you had an 8 lane highway and a 4 lane highway both going to the same
location. Would a single car get to that location faster using the 8 lane
highway or the 4 lane highway? See it wouldn't matter.

>I will run some bench today at home with a program call Sandra something (a
>friend told me was a good program to test hard), does anyone know it? it's
>good enough?

For graphics testing you should try 3Dmark2001 or 3Dmark 2003. You could also
try running a few newer games and check out the framerate.

Sandra is good for general testing and for system information. I use it but not
for graphics testing.

>About the aperture size, it's cool, I understand now, I will try 128mb

That's a good enough setting.

 

[john]

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With mine (an asus 6800GE 430 core, 1200 mem) i set agp aperature to 256.
system memory is 1.5GB.

My bros system has a 128MB 6800 with 512MB system mem. I found his best
setting is 256 on benchmarks but 128 in actual games, with this setting he
gets less hitching. Dont forget memory timings that are a little too tight
can also casuse this!

 

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"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >So, about the AGP 4x-8x, the theory is that 8x runs faster than 4x?
>
> It should be faster in theory. If it's not implemented correctly on the
> motherboard or video card it probably won't be though like in my case.
>
> You also have to keep in mind that just because you have 8X does not mean
it is
> being used like with todays games. The bandwith is there but there is
nothing
> there to stress it.
>
> Lets say you had an 8 lane highway and a 4 lane highway both going to the
same
> location. Would a single car get to that location faster using the 8 lane
> highway or the 4 lane highway? See it wouldn't matter.

But the 4 lane highway would be prone to traffic jams whereas the 8 lane
with the same amount of cars would be freeflowing....so the 4 lane would be
bottlenecked

 

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"John" <me@me.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> But the 4 lane highway would be prone to traffic jams whereas the 8 lane
> with the same amount of cars would be freeflowing....so the 4 lane would
> be
> bottlenecked
>
>
Not with one /single car as PRIVATE1964 indicated. Or unless that single car
have a width of eight lane size.

CapFusion,...

 

[Guest]

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>
>But the 4 lane highway would be prone to traffic jams whereas the 8 lane
>with the same amount of cars would be freeflowing....so the 4 lane would be
>bottlenecked

No that's why I said a "single car". The car is the data and having a 4 lane
lane highway is plenty for that car to get from point A to point B. If there
were over 4 cars then the 8 lane highway would make a difference.

 

[Guest]

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anyway...guys, i get the point!


"CapFusion" <CapFusion.Yo.@hotmail.Hehe.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "John" <me@me.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > But the 4 lane highway would be prone to traffic jams whereas the 8 lane
> > with the same amount of cars would be freeflowing....so the 4 lane would
> > be
> > bottlenecked
> >
> >
> Not with one /single car as PRIVATE1964 indicated. Or unless that single
car
> have a width of eight lane size.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

 

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>Not with one /single car as PRIVATE1964 indicated. Or unless that single car
>have a width of eight lane size.

Yes or even a width larger then 4 lanes. Then having 8 lanes would start to
make a difference.

 

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>
>anyway...guys, i get the point!

Thats great we like to hear that.

 

[john]

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Well maybe i missed a little detail out, I just dont think it's a very good
comparison really do you?

How many 4/8 Lane motorways/highways do you see having 1 car on them at any
given time??

I haven't and I have been a 24hr field op what uses highways all times of
the day. XD

"CapFusion" <CapFusion.Yo.@hotmail.Hehe.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "John" <me@me.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > But the 4 lane highway would be prone to traffic jams whereas the 8 lane
> > with the same amount of cars would be freeflowing....so the 4 lane would
> > be
> > bottlenecked
> >
> >
> Not with one /single car as PRIVATE1964 indicated. Or unless that single
car
> have a width of eight lane size.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

 

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>Well maybe i missed a little detail out, I just dont think it's a very good
>comparison really do you?

I just wanted to use a simple analogy to show that you gain very little with
8X compared to 4X because there doesn't seem to be any need for that extra
bandwith yet.

 

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private1964@aol.com (PRIVATE1964) wrote in
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> I just wanted to use a simple analogy to show that you gain very
> little with 8X compared to 4X because there doesn't seem to be any
> need for that extra bandwith yet.


The analogy is clear and instructive. But why does that make that car of
yours slower on the eight lane highway than on the four lane highway or
more to the point: your ti4200 slower on 8X than on 4X? Any analogy has
it's limits, but just curious.


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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

 

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>But why does that make that car of
>yours slower on the eight lane highway than on the four lane highway or
>more to the point: your ti4200 slower on 8X than on 4X? Any analogy has
>it's limits, but just curious.
>
>
>--
>CeeBee
>

I honestly don't know, but wish I did.

I think it is because when the motherboard or video card were designed they cut
corners implementing 8X. 8X was relatively new at that time so they just
focused on 4X. They probably met the minimum spec requirements for 8X. The only
way I could test my theory is if I had a newer 8X card which I don't. I've done
3Dmark a quite few times and when the motherboard is set to 8X I lose around
1500 points compared to 4X.

 

[john]

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Dont get many highways with 1 car on them though do you...

"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >But the 4 lane highway would be prone to traffic jams whereas the 8 lane
> >with the same amount of cars would be freeflowing....so the 4 lane would
be
> >bottlenecked
>
> No that's why I said a "single car". The car is the data and having a 4
lane
> lane highway is plenty for that car to get from point A to point B. If
there
> were over 4 cars then the 8 lane highway would make a difference.

 

[Guest]

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>Dont get many highways with 1 car on them though do you...

Just look at it as I posted related to agp not as highways in real life.

 

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"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Dont get many highways with 1 car on them though do you...
>
> Just look at it as I posted related to agp not as highways in real life.

PRIVATE1964, do not worry about it. Your analogy is fine. Not everyONE can
see the PICTURE even it right infront of their two EYE balls. And other just
simply raffling your feather.

CapFusion,...

 

[Guest]

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>Your analogy is fine. Not everyONE can
>see the PICTURE even it right infront of their two EYE balls. And other just
>simply raffling your feather.
>
>CapFusion,...
>
>

Your right.

 

[Stephen]

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:26:59 +0100, "John" <me@me.com> tortured a
bunch of electrons for some unknown reason:

>Well maybe i missed a little detail out, I just dont think it's a very good
>comparison really do you?
>
>How many 4/8 Lane motorways/highways do you see having 1 car on them at any
>given time??
>

Interstate 4 before Hurricane Frances made land fall...

Stephen


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[john]

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I did, but the comparison was not exactly brilliant. Im not having a go,
just saying

"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Dont get many highways with 1 car on them though do you...
>
> Just look at it as I posted related to agp not as highways in real life.