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A New Platform: Mozilla Against The World

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August 6, 2011 10:22:56 PM

hmmm, well I hope Google, Microsoft, Apple won't try to stop Mozilla with their patent infringements.
Seriously, these patent wars slow down innovation.
August 6, 2011 11:50:26 PM

Oh look it's an article written by Wolfgang Gruener expect a bunch of mentions of Apple and many many praises
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August 7, 2011 1:04:08 AM

How does Mozilla make money? They give away free software, so why does it matter to them if they can't put a browser that is free on the iPhone. How will they go out of business when they dont appear to do business?
August 7, 2011 1:19:28 AM

I agree with STM1185. How do they make money?
August 7, 2011 1:30:18 AM

christopI agree with STM1185. How do they make money?

Mostly Google from what I can tell, Google gives them money, Mozilla sets default search and homepage to Google and both are happy. No Google will not stop supporting Mozilla, since with supporting them Google has full control of Chrome while it has partial control of Firefox, if it stops Mozilla might look to MS which means Google loses all those default searches to Bing!
August 7, 2011 1:38:00 AM

Just root your droid and then install a bunch of applications you can find easily online. It isn't that closed ended of a system and rooting is as easy as SuperOneClick (or in the case of my device a simple Kernel/Modem/Image Flash).

Simple. Very Simple.
August 7, 2011 2:17:40 AM

Oh, Wolfgang, you and your flame-bait articles. The number of app users is dwarfed by the number of actual internet users, and Apple is pretty much a nonentity outside the US.
The users will use whatever they find most useful, not simply take whatever they are offered (like Apple fans do). Sure, apps are growing in popularity at the moment (no where to go but up), but once HTML 5 browsers become ubiquitous, developers and content providers will realize what Compuserve, Microsoft and others failed to realize in time in the '90s - that the web is what it is because it's open.
August 7, 2011 3:08:20 AM

The day "apps" replace websites is the day I stop using the Internet.
August 7, 2011 5:53:29 AM

Right when Browsers are taking over from walled gardens, someone tries to say the opposite is happening? LOL. Way to not understand browsers yet again Toms.
August 7, 2011 6:04:06 AM

I think Mozilla makes like 100 mil a year from google. They publish their budget somewhere on their website.
August 7, 2011 7:13:21 AM

Web browsers are applications.
August 7, 2011 9:55:35 AM

smart phones are over rated. im already considering dumping my even with its grandfathered unlimited data plan.
August 7, 2011 12:19:29 PM

An app for every website? Just imagine how much of a headache that would be.
August 7, 2011 12:49:49 PM

Mozilla, put thumbnails of my favorite websites like Google Chrome does and I will be pleased with you definitely.
August 7, 2011 2:11:34 PM

I have a smartphone but never use it to browse internet. Why I would want to do so an a 4" screen, if I can do it on a 24"? And I don't need a "platform" for this. A simple browser is just OK for me. And I am definitely not going to change my OS and all my software just for browsing.
And I am not the only one.
All this sounds a little as a tempest in a glass of water...
Ah, and I'll prefer to keep my freedom of browsing as to be fastened to some "platform" or "service" as good it may look.
August 7, 2011 4:20:12 PM

They can go to hell... I don't see why I need a "platform" instead of a browser to surf the internets. Smartphones already have a bunch of "apps" which aren't really needed because the browser does exactly the same thing... And if Win8 is really trying to do the same thing - either you're wrong about it and you should get your facts straight, or you're right and I smiply won't use this feature.

With this kind of BS, I hope Firefox stays on top and keeps the web "open and available", as they state in the "About Firefox" menu =)I don't want to use some stupid "apps" to access websites... all of that can be done in one program.

In other words, yet another step to try and control the web.

Mozilla has a train as well, but it is a slow train that can't carry as many passengers and few people know about that train and its arrival and departure times.

Yes, because it's a luxury train that not everybody can board.

This time, Mozilla needs to compete with Google, Apple, Microsoft and most likely Facebook as well. Its products need to be compelling and powerful enough to make an open platform the more attractive alternative to Google's and Apple's walled gardens.

Compelling and powerful? Just keep the ability to surf the web without degrading to dozens of "apps", like we still do in normal browsers, and you've already won me and millions of others. These fools just don't understand... we don't need "walled gardens" and some "appeal", we just want a BROWSER - not a bunch of "apps". Keep that crap to the smartphones, though they aren't needed there either.

the very software we use to navigate the Internet, but a software that many of us don't use anymore on smartphones and a software may be turned into irrelevance as apps become more important. In a likely scenario, the browser will be an enabler of apps, but it may be turned into an occasional app, as it is the case on your phone today.

I just don't get it... WHY do these people keep telling us what BS will "most likely" happen, while nobody really needs it, and why do the stupid consumers believe them?!

If Apple and Google have their way, a future consumer Internet will be app-driven and mostly comprised of locked down environments that can be controlled by them. The motivations range from Apple's tight ecosystem to Google's advertising revenues that are leveraged by a product environment that promotes the use of Google products and locks other out.

Add to that equation Microsoft, which is trying to catch up with Windows 8 and establish a similar model next year and you, as a consumer, have a choice between three great environments.

You know what? **** them ALL! I don't see what's so appealing about these "great environments"... sounds like another trap to me, on par with cloud BS.

Anybody watched a movie called "Idiocracy"? Well, follow the apps and clouds, and that's where you'll end up.

I didn't look at the article author until I've finished reading it and somehow wasn't surprised at all when I finally saw Gruener's name... This is the stupidest article from him by far. He looks like a massive troll to me, he really does. Or maybe Google and Apple pay him to publish that $h!t. Most likely, the latter... might've been as well Steve Jobs or one the Google CEOs speaking: the whole article calls you to abandon the normal, comfortable way of surfing the net and instead tries to convince you to choose from "great new environments", while presenting NO arguments whatsoever except the fact that "Google, MS and Apple are all doing it".

Mozilla, if you can do something to ruin their plans, that'd be simply great.
August 7, 2011 6:05:12 PM

caca112211Oh look it's an article written by Wolfgang Gruener expect a bunch of mentions of Apple and many many praises

Actually, had you read the article, you would have seen that he hopes for the "walled garden" approach, practically invented by Apple, is not dominant. So many mentions of Apple, but the praises were for Mozilla, or at least the original model of the Web.
August 7, 2011 11:23:43 PM

i'd like mozilla to join the fray. the more the merrier. that's healthy competition. then firefox can be optimized fully. it takes a lot of resources to release an update for each supported platform.
August 8, 2011 3:38:00 AM

ElMoIsEviLJust root your droid and then install a bunch of applications you can find easily online. It isn't that closed ended of a system and rooting is as easy as SuperOneClick (or in the case of my device a simple Kernel/Modem/Image Flash).Simple. Very Simple.

Even then you don't need to root Android to be able to install programs from the web. I have done plenty of them and have not rooted my LG Ally.

Rooting just opens it even more and allows for a custom kernal, which is normally faster than the stock Google one, and to uninstall all those pointless preinstalled apps from the service provider.

As for Mozilla, I like them but they really need to watch out. Microsoft alone is pushing their stuff better than before. IE9 is good, Windows 7 is great and everything seems to fall into place for them to do well. Google is too, and that alone is enough to push Mozilla around.
August 8, 2011 4:35:48 AM

stm1185How does Mozilla make money? They give away free software, so why does it matter to them if they can't put a browser that is free on the iPhone. How will they go out of business when they dont appear to do business?
They're a non-profit so making money doesn't matter. What matters is maintaining relevance. You can't provide the open-source service to people if your product is outdated and irrelevant (current Firefox only is relevant in stability, not performance). Firefox is only falling further behind with time. And that does come back to money, which is the root of the problem.

Mozilla's in a tough spot. There's a lot they can do, but it's tough to say what will work or help. I agree that they need a platform very similar to Android simply to survive. There they could compete by offering rock-bottom/free licensing fees to developers with minimal charges for serving the apps to deliver the lowest prices--keeping themselves relevant. But I think that ship may have sailed. People don't want 100 different phone OS's. They want Apple, Windows, & something else (Android). Still--if it saves people money, it will catch on.

But everyone (but Apple) is in a tough spot as things change. Windows barely matters anymore. 95% of users would be happy with Open Office and a web browser in Linux if the actually knew it was an option. A PC really only has a use for productivity software (media, programming, engineering, etc.) and gaming. Microsoft will have a similar struggle to stay relevant that Mozilla has now--but they will have money to fund it, so it should go differently.
August 8, 2011 5:08:59 AM

google was supposed to develope an open OS in form of android but after the success they tasted they are going down the apple lane for the more restrtctive and more profitable bussiness
August 8, 2011 1:00:04 PM

Much ado about nothing for FFox! All this "social media" aged & rotted & gone in two years .. lots of worthless stock-options. The desktop BIG-BOX w/30" screen will rule!
The chattering squinty-eye APPLE nancy-boi phenom will be no more .. except for 13-yo girls.
August 8, 2011 2:08:12 PM

Excellent article.

Now let's hope the Linux community joins the bandwagon so we can have a real free and real open platform unlike Google's Android.

Until then I'll keep supporting RIM. No virus, no spying and absolutely no backdoors to my knowledge.
August 8, 2011 4:55:05 PM

Amazing article!

So many words, and nearly 0 information!
August 8, 2011 6:03:12 PM

"Of course, if Mozilla is being denied access to iOS today, what would motivate Apple to allow access in the future? Mozilla says it is the openness of the idea and the technology that will make people want to use such a platform. The idea here is basically to attract people to a technology that will give them more power and ultimately more control over their information and technology they use the Internet."

Except, Apple wants exactly the opposite. This motivates Apple to NOT allow access ...blah, blah, blah. Gruener, you give Apple credit that it doesn't have. At least Google, while not actively promoting alternatives to it's apps, does not actively block these alternatives.
Quit putting Apple and Google in the same boat in this (and others) respect, like you feel compelled to do whenever you have something negative to say about Apple. They are NOT similar.
August 8, 2011 7:12:43 PM

I personally think Mozilla should find a way to stay relevant, but the focus should be directed at its core product, the browser - not making yet another platform.
August 9, 2011 5:21:40 AM

The Platforms are only relevant if they provide a better alternative that what is actually present today and i am not only talking about online alternatives but also about OS alternatives e.g. Linux for MS or Apple.

If we look at the history how services generate revenue it is always the same :-
Make more people aware of new technology, make them habitual to it, provide it for free on available resources than cut the resources and generate revenue from all different services which you were providing before for free..... People need to chose wisely as more options means more confusion. People should find ways to use technology more effectively and efficiently (Facebook, twitter and orkut are examples for bad use of technology). I mean even i have lost lots of productive time by using these sites.

Last but not least a browser is what i require to run all the internet services, so i need a secure and functional browser and i need a safe and effective OS environment to do my job when internet is not available. I am not from a place where Wi-Fi is a norm :)