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March 26, 2012 2:44:35 AM

Do you think this T. Martin Killing was racially motivated?

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March 26, 2012 5:00:00 AM

No.

But before we jump to delusions, let's wait for all of the facts to be released.
March 26, 2012 1:23:25 PM

Not at all.

Trayvon was visiting the area. He likely stood out from the usual people.

All this is considered 'racial' because of hearsay that whoever Trayvon was talking said they thought they heard the word "coon" mentioned. Not always hearing a third person over a cell phone standing a few feet away. Regardless, the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the Black Panthers will not step down, will not back off, even when wrong. This furthers their cause.. which in my opinion is to further the racial divide, not mend it. If they mended it, their existance would not be needed; They would no longer have their source of income.
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March 27, 2012 2:57:03 AM

riser said:
Not at all.

Trayvon was visiting the area. He likely stood out from the usual people.

All this is considered 'racial' because of hearsay that whoever Trayvon was talking said they thought they heard the word "coon" mentioned. Not always hearing a third person over a cell phone standing a few feet away. Regardless, the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the Black Panthers will not step down, will not back off, even when wrong. This furthers their cause.. which in my opinion is to further the racial divide, not mend it. If they mended it, their existance would not be needed; They would no longer have their source of income.
There are to many holes in this scene to say what really transpired on that dark night.I would like to see what evidence Zimmerman has when he finally comes out of hiding and talks in public.Both Sharpton and Jackson are agitators i see this now. If this was a white teenager where would they be ?Unlikely not defending the person I just mentioned pertaining to the white person.Again this could be politically motivated also.
March 27, 2012 5:38:03 AM

All the above, and is why the MSM , who is also totally bought into and sometimes off into this ideology have been promoting, yes promoting this racism angle.
They love who they love, and yes, hate whom they hate.
These people arent tolerant, the very notion sinks their philosophy, their livelyhoods, and their power base.
Its been going more and more this way, as more liberal/socialist monies get involved, and is exactly why if this were a black on black, white on white, brown on brown or whatever, we would never had heard of this sort of thing, tragic tho it is
March 27, 2012 1:07:01 PM

musical marv said:
There are to many holes in this scene to say what really transpired on that dark night.I would like to see what evidence Zimmerman has when he finally comes out of hiding and talks in public.Both Sharpton and Jackson are agitators i see this now. If this was a white teenager where would they be ?Unlikely not defending the person I just mentioned pertaining to the white person.Again this could be politically motivated also.


Police confirmed there is a 1 minute gap between 911 calls and eye witness accounts. What no one has evidence of, outside of Zimmerman's statement, is that Trayvon punched him and broke his nose. 1 minute is a very, very long time when in a fight. In that time Zimmerman's nose was broke, he was put onto his back, and the back of his head was bloodied, his eye swollen and lip.
Trayvon was confirmed to be shot at close range in the chest. This would be accurate. If he was shot in the face, that tends to say the persons knew each other and it was more hate motivated. Not the case. Trayvon's body has no reports of any blunt force trauma which given that he would have had at least 1 minute for any signs to show on his body before his heart stopped pumping. It doesn't take long for a swollen eye, lip, or a bruise to appear. This leads that Zimmerman didn't instigate a physical confrontation.

Given Trayvon's past, his character will not likely hold up in a court of law against a person who has a fairly impeccable record of doing 'good' for society.

Sadly though, MSM is the judge, jury, and executioner. The justice system seems to be taking a back seat.
March 27, 2012 3:52:48 PM

I haven't seen any info come out about the condition of his body aside from the statement that the gunshot wound was close and to his chest. I figured if he was hit that would be evidence released by the family, or someone else. Yet, they openly talk about the wounds on Zimmerman.. but nothing on Trayvon.
March 27, 2012 6:47:53 PM

Too many people with their hand out.
March 27, 2012 11:33:09 PM

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Hmm, lightened pic of Trayvon as a 12 yr old and the 17 yr. old gangsta FB photo deleted by the parents, 3 school suspensions including one for possibly breaking into lockers to steal jewelry, and the parents trying to trademark his name probably to cash in on the publicity...

What's not to like?? :p 
March 28, 2012 12:15:47 AM

But But But.. its not him... so they say.
March 28, 2012 12:26:58 AM

First of all, if that isnt him on the right, then why cant the parents come up, or the media, with a better, more recent pic of him?
Just sayin.......
March 28, 2012 2:47:45 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Another piece that is missing is any damage to Trayvon's hands. If he did punch Zimmerman he would have contusions or bruises on his knuckles. Most people not used to punching things barefisted damage their hands when they do so.
You will never find the truth because Martin is dead and this will never be revealed by him only Zimmerman's side.
March 28, 2012 3:15:09 PM

musical marv said:
You will never find the truth because Martin is dead and this will never be revealed by him only Zimmerman's side.


The two eye witnesses do not matter? The character of the two individuals involved does not matter?

Where I come from we have a saying: You can take a person out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the person.
March 28, 2012 8:54:10 PM

This is so bad, its like the wild west, vigilanties, hate with a hang em mentality, innocents getting in the way, being harmed.
So, just where does all this hate come from?
I personally cant accept hatred, at least not in the person, but in the reasoning, and those that embellish it, and thrive on it, they need help
March 28, 2012 11:03:03 PM

^ I would think that as more details on Trayvon's apparent drug-dealing and theft come out, Obama would start to look pretty stupid over his "my son would look like Trayvon" remark.

I can imagine Romney making some TV ads on Obama's poor judgment of character by publicly supporting the Martins, who apparently did a bad job of raising their son during the last 5 years or so..
March 28, 2012 11:14:01 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Can't you see how this whole incident is being used. It is political. It is a huge distraction and guess what? It's working perfectly.

Its no distraction, and only like riser said, to rally up the constituents

My point is, who would allow these leaders to lead?
This isnt the only scenario where hate and bigotry have been tried to be championed, as there are many many instances, and shows how low and how much hate is used, and if this isnt the opposite, a wake up call to those of us thats willing to give these people a second chance, they obviously dont deserve it.
Theyre bigot mongers, hate mongers, you name it, and over all this supposedly flies a supposed flag of tolerance, but in reality, its those who cant do better for themselves being taken advantage of those who monger all this up, for the sake of the little guy.
Shame on them, shame on them all
March 29, 2012 2:39:54 AM

riser said:
The two eye witnesses do not matter? The character of the two individuals involved does not matter?

Where I come from we have a saying: You can take a person out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the person.
Are you implying people who are from ghettos are inbred and will never change their behavior or character.That is a narrow minded way at looking at life.
March 29, 2012 12:30:46 PM

musical marv said:
Are you implying people who are from ghettos are inbred and will never change their behavior or character.That is a narrow minded way at looking at life.


I imply nothing. I merely stated an observation from my person perspective and experiences as noted by the "Where I come from we have a saying."
March 29, 2012 12:46:23 PM

^ Yeah, ABC news broke the story IIRC. But that video was taken some 4 hours after the alleged beating by Martin and Zimmerman was cleaned up a bit, by the paramedics I guess. However, if he actually had a broken nose, I'd think there would be some sort of bandage or whatever on it. Maybe just a bloody nose.

Wonder if and when all the facts will come out in this case..
March 29, 2012 2:29:24 PM

You can't treat a broken nose.

ABC's news story was a hack job as well. The audio of the 911 operator and Zimmer was cut to say this.

Zimmerman: [I'm following someone acting suspicious]
Zimmerman: [He's black]

The real, unedited audio was this:

Zimmerman: [I'm following someone acting suspicious]
911 Operator: "What is his race?"
Zimmerman: "He's black"
March 29, 2012 2:44:43 PM

I'm sure they were trying to condense the conversation to fit it into the allotted timeslot.

Trayvon, 6'3" 150lbs.
Zimmerman, 5'9" 200lbs+

Don't care about weight when someone towers over you by 6 inches.
March 29, 2012 3:57:35 PM

riser said:
I'm sure they were trying to condense the conversation to fit it into the allotted timeslot.

Trayvon, 6'3" 150lbs.
Zimmerman, 5'9" 200lbs+

Don't care about weight when someone towers over you by 6 inches.


Hmm, don't they at least put a bandage over a broken nose, to protect it from further injury?? Or maybe stuff cotton wads inside to control the bleeding. Never had one myself so I dunno..

Agree about the height vs weight observation, for fist-fights anyway, since a taller guy has a longer reach so the shorter guy has to close into range first, which leaves him open for some punishment. Once he does close in he should eventually be able to wrestle his way on top assuming he's in reasonable physical shape, using his body mass as leverage.
March 29, 2012 4:36:15 PM

Broken noses can be treated differently. A broken nose doesn't always lead to heavy bleeding.

If there was an external cut on the nose a bandage would be placed on it. Cotton up the nose would move the bone and cartilage around and could promote additional bleeding. Generally, the bleeding will stop on its own. It really depends on how significant the break is.

I took an elbow in the nose playing basketball back in high school. My I chipped part of the bone but it didn't bleed. When I boxed, I took a cheap shot that caught the bottom of my nose and pushed it up. It didn't break but it was bleeding heavily for about 30 seconds and then stopped.

You can use the argument about height/weight, getting in close, etc. but that assumes both are of even fighting abilities. Again, when I boxed my big fight was against a 6'6" guy to my 5'11" height. I had to stick close to him but getting in close enough wasn't easy. He could still hit me.. and being that his height was over me, his motion for a punch was better than a standard punch.

It is far easier to hit a object at shoulder level, than to have to reach up and hit someone in the face as your same height. When you watch somene through a shadow punch, they generally shoot straight out from their shoulder.. which would hit the other person in the shoulder/neck area. You have to raise it up about 6 inches to hit. Factor that in and I can imagine an unexpected punch to the nose would be fairly brutal.
March 30, 2012 2:30:18 AM

fazers_on_stun said:
Hmm, don't they at least put a bandage over a broken nose, to protect it from further injury?? Or maybe stuff cotton wads inside to control the bleeding. Never had one myself so I dunno..

Agree about the height vs weight observation, for fist-fights anyway, since a taller guy has a longer reach so the shorter guy has to close into range first, which leaves him open for some punishment. Once he does close in he should eventually be able to wrestle his way on top assuming he's in reasonable physical shape, using his body mass as leverage.
Personally speaking I think Zimmerman is lying to cover his ass. He is much bigger than Martin and looks much stronger also. This fallacy about his head hitting the ground is bullshit to me. He made this up.
March 30, 2012 1:07:33 PM

I dont know Ive seen some pretty nasty wounds from fights that last 10 seconds. He does appear to be fine but its grainy footage and the only info we have about his injuries is 2 sentences of news blips.

Ive read yesterday that Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend and according to her (I think....Not sure if recorded) They were talking and he paused said something to the effect of "Someone is following me" Asks the "Pursuer" whats up. Unknown response phone knocked to the ground and disabled.
March 30, 2012 10:59:11 PM

musical marv said:
Personally speaking I think Zimmerman is lying to cover his ass. He is much bigger than Martin and looks much stronger also. This fallacy about his head hitting the ground is bullshit to me. He made this up.


Personally I think it is too soon to tell. While Zimmerman is heavier than Martin he's also shorter. The video of Zimmerman's arrival at the police station is some 4 hours afterwards and not enough detail in it to make any judgment IMO. However given Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law, I dunno..

What I find most reprehensible is Congress getting involved and now wanting to spend probably milliions of tax dollars to 'investigate' this, which actually means spending our $$$ to look good and improve their re-election chances.. Let the local investigation conclude first.
March 31, 2012 3:10:45 AM

fazers_on_stun said:
Personally I think it is too soon to tell. While Zimmerman is heavier than Martin he's also shorter. The video of Zimmerman's arrival at the police station is some 4 hours afterwards and not enough detail in it to make any judgment IMO. However given Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law, I dunno..

What I find most reprehensible is Congress getting involved and now wanting to spend probably milliions of tax dollars to 'investigate' this, which actually means spending our $$$ to look good and improve their re-election chances.. Let the local investigation conclude first.
I agree with you this Government intervention is to much already for the taxpayers to bare. Let the state of Florida handle this problem.Everyday a new story comes up Zimmerman and Martin.
March 31, 2012 8:25:15 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
I just heard on a morning news update that there is surveillance video of the incident that "undercuts" Zimmermans story that Martin attacked him. Undercut is their word not mine and they didn't elaborate.


fazers_on_stun said:
^ Yeah, ABC news broke the story IIRC. But that video was taken some 4 hours after the alleged beating by Martin and Zimmerman was cleaned up a bit, by the paramedics I guess. However, if he actually had a broken nose, I'd think there would be some sort of bandage or whatever on it. Maybe just a bloody nose.

Wonder if and when all the facts will come out in this case..


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2012/03/30/did...
April 1, 2012 2:56:27 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Yet another example of the media deliberately manipulating a story/event in order to elicit an emotional response from an uninformed and ignorant populace.

And guess what? It's working.

Seriously, who or what is the ringmaster of this circus?
It is getting to be like a soap opera.The media exaggerates all the time.
April 1, 2012 3:57:10 AM

And so0 does the other side of the coin as well, unfortunately, just not as often, and not as loud.
I will say, theres very few MSM reporters truly seeking the truth, and is why the reporter that went after the fast and furious fact finding recieved a lot of attention on Fox, and none on the other affiliates, save for the one she works for
April 2, 2012 2:01:00 PM

Kinda dropped out of the media a bit eh? More coverage on the events than about the actual justice system eh?
April 3, 2012 2:57:53 AM

riser said:
Kinda dropped out of the media a bit eh? More coverage on the events than about the actual justice system eh?
This whole thing about Zimmerman and Martin is turning into a 3 ring circus.
April 3, 2012 12:02:42 PM

Turning? I think that's the only reason it made the news.
April 3, 2012 1:11:18 PM

Who wants civil unrest? I dont follow....
April 3, 2012 1:24:40 PM

Select 'leaders' who gain by having unrest. If everything were as they wanted, they would have no cause.

What is a leader without people to follow? Or on a larger scale, What is a God without believers?
April 3, 2012 1:34:46 PM

Oh so Sharpton killed Trayon Martin and staged this all to incite civil unrest?

That doesnt make sense. Two of those links are the same and Ive told you I dont watch Youtube videos to get information.
April 3, 2012 1:49:43 PM

Lol chill out. I know this is a media frenzy I just wouldn't make the jump to conspiracy theory to incite violence in the streets not yet anyway.
April 3, 2012 2:12:16 PM

Everytime something comes up, Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton jump on it and try to make it a national race issue.

Why are they not coming out on the Black on Black crime? I can point to over 20 something shootings by black on black in my former hometown this year along.

I suppose it is ok to blacks to kill blacks then?
April 3, 2012 7:11:28 PM

Enhanced video is now out showing the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head. I can't tell clearly though what is the real gash and how big it is.

But at first glance, if what I thought was the gash in his head, shoot away.
April 3, 2012 8:00:17 PM

Question?
Whats worse, racism/bigotry or those that use it as a living?
April 3, 2012 8:03:40 PM

If you look deeper you may find they both go hand in hand.
April 3, 2012 8:20:15 PM

Good answer
So, we have a MSM being led by racists decrying racism, as the crime was portrayed as a white on black crime, ABC witholding facts, and this fellas latino?
Now, anyone that accepts the MSM's reasonings about the GOP, gun ownership, taxation, big government, womens issues, people of color issues, beware
April 4, 2012 3:04:00 AM

riser said:
Turning? I think that's the only reason it made the news.
You could be right.It is a media frenzy who reports the most and latest news first among the media stations.
April 4, 2012 12:15:34 PM

Can anyone find which part of "Stand your ground" is applicable to this case?
April 4, 2012 12:18:35 PM

musical marv said:
You could be right.It is a media frenzy who reports the most and latest news first among the media stations.


What or who makes it news? Interestingly enough in my opinion, very recently an older black man (71 years old) shot a white teenager to death in Florida. The 71 year old man claimed self defense. The 71 year old man didn't like that the teenager was skateboarding on the outdoor basketball court. There was no information if anyone was playing basketball or the court otherwise in use. The man took his gun, went out and confronted (without the gun) the teenager. The police report states that the man was returning to his house when he was attacked by the teenager... which he promptly shot dead.

Small article in the Orlando times or something. Maybe in a month it'll blow up on MSM as well.
April 4, 2012 2:33:51 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
And so0 does the other side of the coin as well, unfortunately, just not as often, and not as loud.
I will say, theres very few MSM reporters truly seeking the truth, and is why the reporter that went after the fast and furious fact finding recieved a lot of attention on Fox, and none on the other affiliates, save for the one she works for


Heh, everytime you type "MSM" I read it as "MSN", which is where I usually go to read my morning news. Slanted pretty far to the right, but then I'm used to that here in the Washington DC area, where we have the infamous Washington Post. I just learn to read around the slanty parts and unfounded hysteria and innuendo..
April 4, 2012 11:19:05 PM

wanamingo said:
Can anyone find which part of "Stand your ground" is applicable to this case?

It's not, according to the guy who wrote the law on the books in Florida, Zimmerman's defense wouldn't hold up in court because he wasn't defending his home or property, he was actively pursuing. This is what the law maker said in an NPR interview.

Oldmangamer_73 said:
You should stick to the Washington Times fazers. :) 

:kikou: 

First headline, "GAS PRICES IMPERIL OBAMA CAMPAIGN" which is hilarious considering the president has next to no control of oil prices, regardless of the arguments you guys are going to try and rise. Economists and commodity experts both confirm this too, the only ones who use this language are stone-throwers and slant-oriented news writers who are trying to play off a misconception and misinformed public. Good ol' conservative media.
April 4, 2012 11:54:00 PM

No idea wtf you are getting at JDJ...
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