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August 15, 2011 11:12:18 PM

180W....give it to me ;) 
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August 15, 2011 11:20:19 PM

Sounds like babyspeak... Sandy Bridgy!

Though really, high end CPUs like this end up in mostly enthusiast hands, they'll have something planned or some other high end cooling system.
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August 15, 2011 11:21:54 PM

Why does the Prescotts come to mind? Sorry, even if I had the money, I will not be buying a CPU that they actually suggest water cooling for. That is insane.
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August 15, 2011 11:24:38 PM

Wonder how many chips are going to be fried and questions about computers shutting down during/just after POST cause of people not using a heatsink.

Great for people that actually want to choose their own cooling though :) 
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August 15, 2011 11:32:29 PM

I already have a water loop, so the fact that the chips come without a heatsink is fine for me. less waste.
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August 15, 2011 11:35:14 PM

Will this translate into savings for the consumers?
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August 15, 2011 11:36:32 PM

woffleWonder how many chips are going to be fried and questions about computers shutting down during/just after POST cause of people not using a heatsink.Great for people that actually want to choose their own cooling though


The lower end ones will probably have a heatsink. A common Joe won't pay Top dollar for a box processor. Hopefully not, then they deserve it overheating :D 
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August 15, 2011 11:52:49 PM

The Intel train wreck just keeps piling up. Immediately after news of more "upgrade cards", Intel decides that spending $300 -1000 for a processor doesn't entitle its consumer to a $20 stock cooling solution... wow. Most people will dump the stock option, but Intel should offer something in exchange for their savings... maybe an upgrade card :p 
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August 15, 2011 11:54:38 PM

So... First intel is gouging customers by selling scratch cards to unlock features of chips they already purchased. Now they are shipping chips without stock coolers, but guarantee they are not passing any savings onto the customer... no... instead they SELL you a heatsink lol Remind me again why I will never buy an intel chip no matter if they are faster than AMD or not? They are out to bend you over any way they can and make sure you have to buy a whole new mobo, chip and all every time you want to upgrade. And now want to gouge further! I bet next they will charge you for an intel sticker in the box. Just the intel way I guess!

I can say I was impressed on the 1100T I picked up a month ago from newegg, the stock heapipe cooler was impressive for stock, kept idle temps around 28C and allowed a stable overclock of 3.8 / 4ghz-turbo. Verified stable after 3 hours of burn in with all cores at 100% and no errors! Hottest it got in my well vented case was 45C!! And it came with the chip and I did not have to pay extra!
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August 15, 2011 11:55:33 PM

mikem_90Sounds like babyspeak... Sandy Bridgy!Though really, high end CPUs like this end up in mostly enthusiast hands, they'll have something planned or some other high end cooling system.

I agree, to a certain extent. While I never used the stock cooler that came with my i7-950, I think it's still a good idea to include one in a retail package. Regardless of how crappy the heat dissipating performance may be, it's still rated to work fine at stock clocks, and it also gives the user the option to install a processor before investing in an after market cooling solution.

You're no longer getting a fully functioning component out of the box. You're basically getting an OEM processor with full retail packaging, and unfortunately at full retail price.
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August 16, 2011 12:02:17 AM

Go Pentium 66 Mhz w/o a heat sink overheating & giving birth to fans!
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August 16, 2011 12:05:59 AM

I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge before I upgrade my i7-990X, a 20% increase is not worth another $1000.

My current I5 sandy bridge machine was not a great upgrade, but as another addition to my render farm, it certainly was cheap.
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August 16, 2011 12:06:03 AM

A 3820K model would have been nice...
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August 16, 2011 12:15:38 AM

When are these first LGA 2011 chips coming out? I wasn't expecting them until nearly Christmas. Bulldozer's really going to be late to this party.
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August 16, 2011 12:20:05 AM

Meh. I'm perfectly happy with my little Phenom II quad humming along beside me. It's reliable, snappy, and it gets the job done. Maybe for someone who wants nothing other than bragging rigbhts, these will be worth it. But to people like me, being able to render a 3D layout in Blender or a video in After Effects 30% faster just isn't worth $1000.

Hell, I could buy a small boat for as much as the entire platform would cost. And it would do a lot more than a CPU will ever be able to do.
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August 16, 2011 12:30:22 AM

I bought my previous i7-785 boxed but without a cooler (the retail box had no room for one either). Whats the big deal??
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August 16, 2011 12:31:41 AM

Even as a PC game enthusiast, I am not convinced that a CPU with $1000 price tag has no cooler in it. Do they actually expect users to not make a mistake and buy the wrong heatsink and fried their new CPU?
Moreover, when you paid $1000 for a CPU you don't expect it is not bundled with a proper highend cooler.
It sounds to me like those lighten version of Porsche with no carpet, air-con, door handles, stereo, no insulation and yet they will sell the car for twice the price! Why don't I just get the fully equiped car and throw away all those extra weight and save myself 50% money?
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August 16, 2011 12:41:43 AM

What's the point in buying the highest end SB-E if they're just going to replace it 3 months later. Sounds like a waste of $1k. Intel just milking the their Extreme Edition CPUs.
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August 16, 2011 12:47:16 AM

brickmanThe lower end ones will probably have a heatsink. A common Joe won't pay Top dollar for a box processor. Hopefully not, then they deserve it overheating


From personal experience it will happen, and it will happen often. I work for a company in the tech support/RMA department and I personally get at least 1 call a month from someone who has bought an $800 GPU that comes with a waterblock and that has put it in their system and had no idea they needed a water cooling loop.
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August 16, 2011 12:47:28 AM

dalauderWhen are these first LGA 2011 chips coming out? I wasn't expecting them until nearly Christmas. Bulldozer's really going to be late to this party.

That's probably about when they're coming out. The most recent road maps I've seen show Q4 2011, maybe in the October to November time frame.
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August 16, 2011 12:48:45 AM

blurr91Will this translate into savings for the consumers?

Yep a whole $5 off!!
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August 16, 2011 12:54:35 AM

I already thought the $315 Sandy Bridge 2600k was a huge waste, now they are launching another $1000 cpu? Steve Jobs should buy me one.
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August 16, 2011 1:20:46 AM

garage1217So... First intel is gouging customers by selling scratch cards to unlock features of chips they already purchased. Now they are shipping chips without stock coolers, but guarantee they are not passing any savings onto the customer... no... instead they SELL you a heatsink lol Remind me again why I will never buy an intel chip no matter if they are faster than AMD or not? They are out to bend you over any way they can and make sure you have to buy a whole new mobo, chip and all every time you want to upgrade. And now want to gouge further! I bet next they will charge you for an intel sticker in the box. Just the intel way I guess!I can say I was impressed on the 1100T I picked up a month ago from newegg, the stock heapipe cooler was impressive for stock, kept idle temps around 28C and allowed a stable overclock of 3.8 / 4ghz-turbo. Verified stable after 3 hours of burn in with all cores at 100% and no errors! Hottest it got in my well vented case was 45C!! And it came with the chip and I did not have to pay extra!

you DO realize that the Thuban processors have a glitch in the thermal diode that causes the temperatures to be read as 10-12*C lower than they actually are, right?
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August 16, 2011 1:35:02 AM

They must be under the assumption that their retail employee training program is a success. I hope some of the more hilarious phone calls wind up on the net. I can't wait.
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August 16, 2011 1:40:10 AM

Hopefully most people buying these chips will already have sense enough to know that a heat sink is required.
I am sure Intel will put a nice big sign notifying of this. I think its good to allow the end user to buy what they need for their application.
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August 16, 2011 1:42:56 AM

Yep, Have read about that, but I have read that was on the early revisions? Mine was from a month ago. Even if so, and say it is a full 13C higher, I am still within spec, overclocked a decent amount and the system is running perfectly stable :)  My average on games and all programs hovers around 35C, can only get it up to 45C running benchmarks non stop. So that would put me at 48C real world on all of the apps I run if I add in 13C. Not bad!

Forgot to mention the 28C idle temp is with the fan running at 25% :)  I have it set to ramp up sharp at 40C. Only downside is when she does ramp up to full, she sounds like a vacuum cleaner lol However most of the time, the fan never ramps past 50% and is very quiet.
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August 16, 2011 1:46:07 AM

someguynamedmattMeh. I'm perfectly happy with my little Phenom II quad humming along beside me. It's reliable, snappy, and it gets the job done. Maybe for someone who wants nothing other than bragging rigbhts, these will be worth it. But to people like me, being able to render a 3D layout in Blender or a video in After Effects 30% faster just isn't worth $1000.

A 30% reduction in render time is quite significant, and while that on it's own might not warrant paying 5-10x more (even for pro applications), I think you're also vastly underestimating the performance of these upcoming Sandy Bridge-E processors.

The i7-990x, a six core processor based on Intel's previous gen architecture already outperforms a Phenom II x4 by quite a bit more then 30% in the applications you mentioned. Especially Blender, where the performance increase is probably much closer to 2x. And that can definitely be worth the price premium if the extra performance is needed and put to use. It may not make a lot of sense for the average user or gamer, but I think to suggest that bragging rights is the only reason anyone invests in a high performance processor is a bit ignorant.
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August 16, 2011 1:47:12 AM

intel is going into my bad books. ill be looking forward to what AMD has to offer when it releases bulldozer. Hope they dont follow intel with that upgrade card crap either.
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August 16, 2011 1:59:39 AM

Looks like now I'm changing to Intel cpu's LGA 2011, because Bulldozer has taken to long and I keep seeing delays from AMD like crazies. I will buy bulldozer only if the Octa core part is better than the flagship from Intel if not nevermind, I will buy Intel again.
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August 16, 2011 2:04:39 AM

It's a very reasonable assumption that there are some people, somewhere, who will pop in the chip and fire it up without a thought.

It remains to be seen however, how detrimental this may be. Many can recall the old Tom's video of simulating what happens to a P4 and an AMD processor if the heat-sink should fall off during some intense quake III action.

Those upgrade cards intrigue me. Suppose someone figures out how to unlock more processor performance through firmware software. Now that intel sells a non-existent good called "performance", would it then become illegal to soft-mod a processor yourself and distribute your technique freely? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the "double-dipping". You'd think it would be free and offered as a "thank you" for their continued support.
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August 16, 2011 2:10:15 AM

So $300 for the low end sandy bridge-E and (likely) another $250 (easily) for a "entry" level socket 2011 mobo. All of this equating to almost no performance increase for anything gaming related unless you have tri-gtx-580s that max out a 8x PCI-express lane.

This seems like it will only be a good upgrade for productivity software. Having 16 sata ports, 8 dimms for ram, and quad channel memory are just treats that will have little benefit to 99% of consumers. I remember going from dual to tri channel memory had almost no benefit outside of HEAVY memory related processes... which are few and far between.


I will stick with my 2600k for now. I just hope this doesn't make an excuse for developers to make their games even more CPU reliant. I have had quite a few games that work the hell out of my CPU while my gpus sit at 50-60%. I don't want that to be a trend.
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August 16, 2011 2:16:24 AM

I held out as long as i could waiting to upgrade my tired q6600. I finally gave in to the sparkly lights and spinny doo-dads and wish i'd not waited. I can't imagine anything being much better than the i5-2500k / i7-2600k as far as gaming and amateur multimedia creation goes. The new 1155 E-series may have higher out of the box clocks but probably hit the same ceiling when overclocking.

How much L3 cache do you need? I don't understand the micro-processor architecture well enough to determine what benefits come from several more megabytes of cache over a processor which already has several megabytes of cache. You've got the L1, L2, and L3, and each level gets bigger but slower. Maybe jumbo size caches is the same as shouting about having quad channel memory and pcie 3.0... excellent bullet points for your PowerPoint presentation... idk, just rambling now.

I predict some very exciting and interesting articles / reviews to come.
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August 16, 2011 2:20:23 AM

yeah wait shipping .. i will get it
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August 16, 2011 2:26:43 AM

clonazepamIt's a very reasonable assumption that there are some people, somewhere, who will pop in the chip and fire it up without a thought.It remains to be seen however, how detrimental this may be. Many can recall the old Tom's video of simulating what happens to a P4 and an AMD processor if the heat-sink should fall off during some intense quake III action.Those upgrade cards intrigue me. Suppose someone figures out how to unlock more processor performance through firmware software. Now that intel sells a non-existent good called "performance", would it then become illegal to soft-mod a processor yourself and distribute your technique freely? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the "double-dipping". You'd think it would be free and offered as a "thank you" for their continued support.


Pretty sure it would be a breach of the DMCA because "the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself"
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August 16, 2011 2:39:29 AM

I'll stick with the i5 2500k I was going to buy...
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August 16, 2011 2:46:11 AM

Man, sweet procs! It is going to be an i5/i7 ivy bridge for me though, that is plenty of horse power for home based audio and video editing, and at less than 1/2 the wattage.
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August 16, 2011 2:47:36 AM

WTF? sounds like buying a Lamborghini with no wheels, and u gotta get it serperately, are u sure these are the real leaks? i mean those stock doesnt cost that much...why cant they just include them? if this is true im disappointed in intel..ill wait till the bulldozer news, if it looks good ima switch...been a fan of intel for years.
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August 16, 2011 2:53:11 AM

Azn CrackerI already thought the $315 Sandy Bridge 2600k was a huge waste...

If you think the 2600k is a waste, then you have never been on a computer that has one.

/Yes, I have one.
//Worth every.single.penny
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August 16, 2011 2:57:55 AM

i think its better if they include the fan with CPU and jack the price, much less of a pain than having to buy one separately. This is pretty dumb. And 180W 8O
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August 16, 2011 2:59:03 AM

What a deceiving name!
Especially after AMD named their low power cpu's the 'E'-series, intel actually calls their high end/high power consumption series the E-series cpu's!
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August 16, 2011 3:03:06 AM

AMD here I come.
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August 16, 2011 3:20:31 AM

I have already bought a heat sink so I am happier with this.
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August 16, 2011 3:48:43 AM

I like how this is a big deal just because it's on the headline.

EARTH TO READERS:

FAST HYPERTHREADED HEXA CORE PROCESSORS AT 180W TDP WILL RUN BURNING HOT ON PATHETIC STOCK COOLERS.

That's why it's called BLAZING FAST.
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August 16, 2011 4:09:28 AM

neblixI like how this is a big deal just because it's on the headline...


Nah, its cuz its monday, and we've all starved over the weekend :p 
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August 16, 2011 5:34:09 AM

I have no doubt in my mind that Toms will come through for all of us gamers to inform us that this $999 chip is a waste of money for current games...or, at least games that will be available at the time of the launch of this series.
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August 16, 2011 6:28:04 AM

....people just like to whine. This isn't like buying a grey box from staples without a cooler. This is a stand alone processor That you have to put into a computer. You have to take a cooling solution off in order to install this in an old box. If you are building a new rig and haven't figured out that you need a cooler you most likely wont get to the point of turning it on. Silliness.
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August 16, 2011 6:43:48 AM

Azn CrackerI already thought the $315 Sandy Bridge 2600k was a huge waste, now they are launching another $1000 cpu? Steve Jobs should buy me one.

you dont realise how good you have it now. My first 386DX PC was $3000, and that was not top of the line at the time. My old single core Athlon 64 3500+ was about $300 at the time and was not top of the line. So $315 for a top of the line SB Processor is pretty damn good. and $200 for the only slightle lesser 2500k, intel's offerings have never been more attractive. I do agree though, that a $1000 processor is not worth it in any way shape or form for a home user for the small benefits it may have.
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August 16, 2011 6:59:08 AM

I'm all about not having to buy a stock HSF every time I buy a processor... Already have a bulldozer build started tho... no SB-E for me.
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August 16, 2011 7:13:53 AM

garage1217So... First intel is gouging customers by selling scratch cards to unlock features of chips they already purchased. Now they are shipping chips without stock coolers, but guarantee they are not passing any savings onto the customer... no... instead they SELL you a heatsink lol Remind me again why I will never buy an intel chip no matter if they are faster than AMD or not? They are out to bend you over any way they can and make sure you have to buy a whole new mobo, chip and all every time you want to upgrade. And now want to gouge further! I bet next they will charge you for an intel sticker in the box. Just the intel way I guess!I can say I was impressed on the 1100T I picked up a month ago from newegg, the stock heapipe cooler was impressive for stock, kept idle temps around 28C and allowed a stable overclock of 3.8 / 4ghz-turbo. Verified stable after 3 hours of burn in with all cores at 100% and no errors! Hottest it got in my well vented case was 45C!! And it came with the chip and I did not have to pay extra!


Hahahhaa, enjoy your discount part! I bet you drive a corolla too! hahahahahaha
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