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April 1, 2005 11:36:07 PM

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I've been holding off on installing SP2 because of various issues
and the possibility of screwing up my home wireless network.

Now, I've run across this article:

"The automatic download blocker that Microsoft implemented in
August will expire April 12, at which time SP2 will be automatically
installed on machines running Windows XP or Windows XP Service Pack
1."

I always run Windows Update manually so I can choose which updates
that I prefer to install.

Do I absolutely have to install SP2 before April 12th. Is there no
alternative?

Thanks!
Scott

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Anonymous
April 2, 2005 5:42:52 AM

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Leave the auto updater off, and you'll have no problem. Microsoft
provided a way for businesses to leave AutoUpdate on but avoid
downloading SP2 - that's what is expiring. With auto-update turned off,
you will not see SP2 auto-download.



Scott wrote:
> I've been holding off on installing SP2 because of various issues
> and the possibility of screwing up my home wireless network.
>
> Now, I've run across this article:
>
> "The automatic download blocker that Microsoft implemented in
> August will expire April 12, at which time SP2 will be automatically
> installed on machines running Windows XP or Windows XP Service Pack
> 1."
>
> I always run Windows Update manually so I can choose which updates
> that I prefer to install.
>
> Do I absolutely have to install SP2 before April 12th. Is there no
> alternative?
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
April 2, 2005 5:42:53 AM

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Ed,

Whew!!!! Yes, I keep the Auto Updater off...because I want control
over what I install.

Anyway, I suppose the time will come when it makes sense to install
SP2. I've got a 3-year old GW 700XL desktop with XP Pro Version 2002
and SP1 installed...plus a newer GW 400SP notebook running XP Pro.

Should I expect any problems?

Interestingly enough, I bought a GW E-3400 on eBay awhile back, and
it came with XP and SP2 installed. When I hooked it up to my Linksys
wireless router (via ethernet cable), it connected to the network with
no problem.

So maybe I'm worrying too much.

Thanks!
Scott

"Edward J. Neth" wrote:
>
> Leave the auto updater off, and you'll have no problem. Microsoft
> provided a way for businesses to leave AutoUpdate on but avoid
> downloading SP2 - that's what is expiring. With auto-update turned off,
> you will not see SP2 auto-download.
>
> Scott wrote:
> > I've been holding off on installing SP2 because of various issues
> > and the possibility of screwing up my home wireless network.
> >
> > Now, I've run across this article:
> >
> > "The automatic download blocker that Microsoft implemented in
> > August will expire April 12, at which time SP2 will be automatically
> > installed on machines running Windows XP or Windows XP Service Pack
> > 1."
> >
> > I always run Windows Update manually so I can choose which updates
> > that I prefer to install.
> >
> > Do I absolutely have to install SP2 before April 12th. Is there no
> > alternative?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott
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Anonymous
April 3, 2005 1:03:48 AM

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Scott,

If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as yours
running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.

Good luck and happy computering,

Turner

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
news:424DFE17.C679931F@uslink.net...
> Ed,
>
> Whew!!!! Yes, I keep the Auto Updater off...because I want control
> over what I install.
>
> Anyway, I suppose the time will come when it makes sense to install
> SP2. I've got a 3-year old GW 700XL desktop with XP Pro Version 2002
> and SP1 installed...plus a newer GW 400SP notebook running XP Pro.
>
> Should I expect any problems?
>
> Interestingly enough, I bought a GW E-3400 on eBay awhile back, and
> it came with XP and SP2 installed. When I hooked it up to my Linksys
> wireless router (via ethernet cable), it connected to the network with
> no problem.
>
> So maybe I'm worrying too much.
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
>
> "Edward J. Neth" wrote:
>>
>> Leave the auto updater off, and you'll have no problem. Microsoft
>> provided a way for businesses to leave AutoUpdate on but avoid
>> downloading SP2 - that's what is expiring. With auto-update turned off,
>> you will not see SP2 auto-download.
>>
>> Scott wrote:
>> > I've been holding off on installing SP2 because of various issues
>> > and the possibility of screwing up my home wireless network.
>> >
>> > Now, I've run across this article:
>> >
>> > "The automatic download blocker that Microsoft implemented in
>> > August will expire April 12, at which time SP2 will be automatically
>> > installed on machines running Windows XP or Windows XP Service Pack
>> > 1."
>> >
>> > I always run Windows Update manually so I can choose which updates
>> > that I prefer to install.
>> >
>> > Do I absolutely have to install SP2 before April 12th. Is there no
>> > alternative?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Scott
April 3, 2005 11:16:58 PM

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Turner,

That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware drivers
first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA GeForce2
2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?

Thanks!
]Scott5

Turner Morgan wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as yours
> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
>
> Good luck and happy computering,
>
> Turner
>
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 1:19:00 AM

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Scott,

All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website. If it
messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally transparent
to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS firewall
off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that came
with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce video card
that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia website
rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when I can
remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).

I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps cross
my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).

As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same brand/model
number of computer will be different!

Regards,
Turner

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
> Turner,
>
> That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware
> drivers
> first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
> GeForce2
> 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
>
> Thanks!
> ]Scott5
>
> Turner Morgan wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as
>> yours
>> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
>>
>> Good luck and happy computering,
>>
>> Turner
>>
April 5, 2005 3:32:30 PM

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Turner,

OK...thanks much!

Scott

Turner Morgan wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website. If it
> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally transparent
> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS firewall
> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that came
> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce video card
> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia website
> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when I can
> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
>
> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps cross
> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
>
> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same brand/model
> number of computer will be different!
>
> Regards,
> Turner
>
> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
> > Turner,
> >
> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware
> > drivers
> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
> > GeForce2
> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ]Scott5
> >
> > Turner Morgan wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as
> >> yours
> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
> >>
> >> Good luck and happy computering,
> >>
> >> Turner
> >>
April 6, 2005 5:18:17 PM

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Turner,

I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the Nvidia
website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84, 02/24/2005.
I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I got a
blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I ended
up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the readme.txt
for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the Update
Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
driver's setup program?

Thanks!
Scott

Turner Morgan wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website. If it
> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally transparent
> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS firewall
> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that came
> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce video card
> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia website
> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when I can
> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
>
> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps cross
> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
>
> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same brand/model
> number of computer will be different!
>
> Regards,
> Turner
>
> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
> > Turner,
> >
> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware
> > drivers
> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
> > GeForce2
> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ]Scott5
> >
> > Turner Morgan wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as
> >> yours
> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
> >>
> >> Good luck and happy computering,
> >>
> >> Turner
> >>
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 3:41:31 AM

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I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the Windows
update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to go.
Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is newer.
Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via automatic
updates!!! ... Ben Myers

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:

>Turner,
>
>I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the Nvidia
>website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84, 02/24/2005.
>I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I got a
>blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I ended
>up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
>Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the readme.txt
>for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the Update
>Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
>driver's setup program?
>
>Thanks!
>Scott
>
>Turner Morgan wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website. If it
>> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally transparent
>> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS firewall
>> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that came
>> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
>> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce video card
>> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia website
>> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when I can
>> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
>>
>> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps cross
>> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
>>
>> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same brand/model
>> number of computer will be different!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Turner
>>
>> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
>> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
>> > Turner,
>> >
>> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware
>> > drivers
>> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
>> > GeForce2
>> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > ]Scott5
>> >
>> > Turner Morgan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Scott,
>> >>
>> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as
>> >> yours
>> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck and happy computering,
>> >>
>> >> Turner
>> >>
April 7, 2005 3:41:32 AM

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Ben,

I did get the update from Nvidia's website. I ran their setup install file
and got a blue screen on reboot. Do you think it would work any better
to to to Display/Update Driver tab and search for the .inf file?

Scott

Ben Myers wrote:
>
> I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the Windows
> update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to go.
> Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is newer.
> Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via automatic
> updates!!! ... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:
>
> >Turner,
> >
> >I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the Nvidia
> >website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84, 02/24/2005.
> >I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I got a
> >blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I ended
> >up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
> >Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the readme.txt
> >for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the Update
> >Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
> >driver's setup program?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Scott
> >
> >Turner Morgan wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website. If it
> >> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally transparent
> >> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS firewall
> >> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that came
> >> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
> >> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce video card
> >> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia website
> >> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when I can
> >> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
> >>
> >> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps cross
> >> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
> >>
> >> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same brand/model
> >> number of computer will be different!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Turner
> >>
> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
> >> > Turner,
> >> >
> >> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware
> >> > drivers
> >> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
> >> > GeForce2
> >> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > ]Scott5
> >> >
> >> > Turner Morgan wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott,
> >> >>
> >> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as
> >> >> yours
> >> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
> >> >>
> >> >> Good luck and happy computering,
> >> >>
> >> >> Turner
> >> >>
April 7, 2005 5:05:03 AM

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Just a thought NVIDIA's site says to make sure virus program is off when
you do there drivers. Tim
"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
news:4254746C.27130237@uslink.net...
> Ben,
>
> I did get the update from Nvidia's website. I ran their setup install file
> and got a blue screen on reboot. Do you think it would work any better
> to to to Display/Update Driver tab and search for the .inf file?
>
> Scott
>
> Ben Myers wrote:
>>
>> I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the
>> Windows
>> update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to
>> go.
>> Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is
>> newer.
>> Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via
>> automatic
>> updates!!! ... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Turner,
>> >
>> >I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the
>> >Nvidia
>> >website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84,
>> >02/24/2005.
>> >I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I
>> >got a
>> >blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I
>> >ended
>> >up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
>> >Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the
>> >readme.txt
>> >for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the
>> >Update
>> >Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
>> >driver's setup program?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >Scott
>> >
>> >Turner Morgan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Scott,
>> >>
>> >> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website.
>> >> If it
>> >> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally
>> >> transparent
>> >> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS
>> >> firewall
>> >> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that
>> >> came
>> >> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
>> >> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce
>> >> video card
>> >> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia
>> >> website
>> >> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when
>> >> I can
>> >> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
>> >>
>> >> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps
>> >> cross
>> >> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
>> >>
>> >> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same
>> >> brand/model
>> >> number of computer will be different!
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Turner
>> >>
>> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
>> >> > Turner,
>> >> >
>> >> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all
>> >> > hardware
>> >> > drivers
>> >> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
>> >> > GeForce2
>> >> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > ]Scott5
>> >> >
>> >> > Turner Morgan wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Scott,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> yours
>> >> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good luck and happy computering,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Turner
>> >> >>
April 7, 2005 5:05:04 AM

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Tim,

That's a good point. And, yes, I did make sure my Norton AV was disabled
before installing.

Scott

Tim wrote:
>
> Just a thought NVIDIA's site says to make sure virus program is off when
> you do there drivers. Tim
> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> news:4254746C.27130237@uslink.net...
> > Ben,
> >
> > I did get the update from Nvidia's website. I ran their setup install file
> > and got a blue screen on reboot. Do you think it would work any better
> > to to to Display/Update Driver tab and search for the .inf file?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Ben Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the
> >> Windows
> >> update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to
> >> go.
> >> Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is
> >> newer.
> >> Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via
> >> automatic
> >> updates!!! ... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Turner,
> >> >
> >> >I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the
> >> >Nvidia
> >> >website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84,
> >> >02/24/2005.
> >> >I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I
> >> >got a
> >> >blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I
> >> >ended
> >> >up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
> >> >Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the
> >> >readme.txt
> >> >for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the
> >> >Update
> >> >Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
> >> >driver's setup program?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!
> >> >Scott
> >> >
> >> >Turner Morgan wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott,
> >> >>
> >> >> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website.
> >> >> If it
> >> >> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally
> >> >> transparent
> >> >> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS
> >> >> firewall
> >> >> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that
> >> >> came
> >> >> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
> >> >> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce
> >> >> video card
> >> >> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia
> >> >> website
> >> >> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when
> >> >> I can
> >> >> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
> >> >>
> >> >> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps
> >> >> cross
> >> >> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
> >> >>
> >> >> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same
> >> >> brand/model
> >> >> number of computer will be different!
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Turner
> >> >>
> >> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
> >> >> > Turner,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all
> >> >> > hardware
> >> >> > drivers
> >> >> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
> >> >> > GeForce2
> >> >> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> > ]Scott5
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Turner Morgan wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Scott,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> yours
> >> >> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Good luck and happy computering,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Turner
> >> >> >>
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 11:57:47 AM

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I never use M$ Update hardware drivers. They've always corrupted
machines I support.

OEMs like GW and Dell use non-retail versions of components, so it's
best to use drivers from those sites. Sometime retail drivers work,
but there's no guarantee since they might look for features the OEM
version doesn't have (to keep the costs down).

If you've added a retail card, then use the vendor's site.



On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:41:31 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
(Ben Myers) wrote:

>I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the Windows
>update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to go.
>Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is newer.
>Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via automatic
>updates!!! ... Ben Myers
>
>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:
>
>>Turner,
>>
>>I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the Nvidia
>>website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84, 02/24/2005.
>>I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I got a
>>blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I ended
>>up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
>>Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the readme.txt
>>for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the Update
>>Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
>>driver's setup program?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Scott
>>
>>Turner Morgan wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> All I can say is I installed SP2 via the MS Windows Update website. If it
>>> messed with any of the drivers in the computer, it was totally transparent
>>> to me (it even discovered I am using Zone Alarm and turned the MS firewall
>>> off!). As far as I know, all the drivers for all the hardware that came
>>> with the computer are still there except the ones I have specifically
>>> updated. The specific updated drivers include the nVidia GeForce video card
>>> that came with the computer; those drivers I get from the nVidia website
>>> rather than Gateway and those drivers have been kept up to date (when I can
>>> remember every few months to check for updates, anyway).
>>>
>>> I did not do anything special prior to installing SP2 (except, perhaps cross
>>> my fingers! Let's face it, any kind of major upgrade is a gamble).
>>>
>>> As I said, good luck. Everyone's situation, even with the same brand/model
>>> number of computer will be different!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Turner
>>>
>>> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4250877A.BC50B98B@uslink.net...
>>> > Turner,
>>> >
>>> > That's good to know! I've read that it's better to update all hardware
>>> > drivers
>>> > first. The one that I know has newer drivers available is the NVIDIA
>>> > GeForce2
>>> > 2MX 400 video card. Are you still using your original drivers?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > ]Scott5
>>> >
>>> > Turner Morgan wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Scott,
>>> >>
>>> >> If it is any consolation, I also have a GW 700XL about the same age as
>>> >> yours
>>> >> running Win XP Pro. I installed SP2 and have had no problems.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good luck and happy computering,
>>> >>
>>> >> Turner
>>> >>



----------------

"Jim, you think he's with Jesus now? We only have 30 seconds." - Larry King to "Passion" star Jim Caviezel, on the Pope.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 5:09:58 PM

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Sorry, but I have to take strong exception to the statement that only drivers
from the name-brand computer manufacturer's site should be used. Long
experience here has shown the opposite.

At this time (and going back maybe 6, 7, or more years), there is zero
motivation for a name brand computer company to use "special" hardware. It
costs more to manufacture special than to manufacture standard off the shelf.
It costs oodles more to support special hardware in terms of special drivers and
a special supply of spare parts, not to mention tech support, such that it is.

There is no difference whatsoever between chipsets used in OEM hardware and
retail hardware. About all you will find these days in differences are smallish
ones like graphics cards with less memory (e.g. a 32MB card instead of 64MB or
128MB) or a graphics chip with less power (a slower nVidia GForce chip for
example). Drivers are written so that they autodetect and use the exact memory
size on the card they find when the system boots up. Driver software does not
care whether the graphics chip is a slower or a faster one. nVidia's single
graphics driver set support all the versions of its chips. ATI and Matrox (Is
Matrox still in the league?) are very similar. Intel's Extreme Graphics on the
motherboard are the same.

The same reasoning goes for motherboard chipsets, audio, network, USB and
whatever else you want. The computer industry has truly become more of a
commodity industry than any other as far as the electronic guts of a computer
are concerned. Differences among name brands exist in the styling of the
computer chassis, customization of the BIOS splash screen (Dell and IBM give
their BIOSes a specific look-and-feel user interface), and choice of
manufacturers. But most of the parts are interchangable unless there are
physical differences in size, shape, connectors, etc. as with motherboards and
power supplies.

A number of years ago, there was the "Gatrox" fiasco, caused by Gateway's
stubborn insistence on Matrox manufacturing a PCI graphics card with a cheaper,
less capable RAMDAC chip. Back then, the RAMDAC chip imposed limits on the
refresh rates and/or color depths available with a graphics card. But the
standard off-the-shelf Matrox drivers worked 100% perfectly with the Gatrox
card. (Nowadays, the RAMDAC functions are built into the graphics chip itself.)

Trust me on this one. I've ripped apart and put back together thousands of name
brand computers (all brands) in the last 10 years. I read and decipher all the
inscrutable markings on integrated circuits... Ben Myers

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:57:47 GMT, Jed Taylor <aspc-clone-gateway@offthedial.com>
wrote:

>I never use M$ Update hardware drivers. They've always corrupted
>machines I support.
>
>OEMs like GW and Dell use non-retail versions of components, so it's
>best to use drivers from those sites. Sometime retail drivers work,
>but there's no guarantee since they might look for features the OEM
>version doesn't have (to keep the costs down).
>
>If you've added a retail card, then use the vendor's site.
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 10, 2005 1:08:36 AM

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Scott,

Sorry to be so late getting back to you.

When I have updated the drivers from nVidia, I have always used their setup
program, not Windows Add/Remove programs. The nVidia folks seem to know
what they're doing and I like the "one driver fits all" philosophy.

Again, sorry for the late response.

Regards,

Turner

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
news:425427E9.BC78B74B@uslink.net...
> Turner,
>
> I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the Nvidia
> website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84,
> 02/24/2005.
> I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I got
> a
> blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I ended
> up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
> Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the readme.txt
> for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the Update
> Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
> driver's setup program?
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
>
Anonymous
April 10, 2005 9:41:29 AM

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You can take exception to anything you want. The motivation, however,
is to save costs. OEMs like GW and Dell buy so much at a time that
they can afford to get a vendor to create a "dumbed-down" version of a
card that lacks higher-end features the vast majority of buyers will
never use.

There's a reason OEM's post drivers for their components on their
websites instead of just telling people to go visit XYZ's. It's that
these drivers are written for the OEM version, not the retail version.

You do what you want. I've been in the biz for over 20 years, so I'm
painfully familiar with it's history and evolution.

OTOH, people who download drivers from M$ Update, or load retail
drivers for OEM cards, make up a share my business, so I guess I
should just keep quiet and collect the money.




On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:09:58 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
(Ben Myers) wrote:

>Sorry, but I have to take strong exception to the statement that only drivers
>from the name-brand computer manufacturer's site should be used. Long
>experience here has shown the opposite.
>
>At this time (and going back maybe 6, 7, or more years), there is zero
>motivation for a name brand computer company to use "special" hardware. It
>costs more to manufacture special than to manufacture standard off the shelf.
>It costs oodles more to support special hardware in terms of special drivers and
>a special supply of spare parts, not to mention tech support, such that it is.
>
>There is no difference whatsoever between chipsets used in OEM hardware and
>retail hardware. About all you will find these days in differences are smallish
>ones like graphics cards with less memory (e.g. a 32MB card instead of 64MB or
>128MB) or a graphics chip with less power (a slower nVidia GForce chip for
>example). Drivers are written so that they autodetect and use the exact memory
>size on the card they find when the system boots up. Driver software does not
>care whether the graphics chip is a slower or a faster one. nVidia's single
>graphics driver set support all the versions of its chips. ATI and Matrox (Is
>Matrox still in the league?) are very similar. Intel's Extreme Graphics on the
>motherboard are the same.
>
>The same reasoning goes for motherboard chipsets, audio, network, USB and
>whatever else you want. The computer industry has truly become more of a
>commodity industry than any other as far as the electronic guts of a computer
>are concerned. Differences among name brands exist in the styling of the
>computer chassis, customization of the BIOS splash screen (Dell and IBM give
>their BIOSes a specific look-and-feel user interface), and choice of
>manufacturers. But most of the parts are interchangable unless there are
>physical differences in size, shape, connectors, etc. as with motherboards and
>power supplies.
>
>A number of years ago, there was the "Gatrox" fiasco, caused by Gateway's
>stubborn insistence on Matrox manufacturing a PCI graphics card with a cheaper,
>less capable RAMDAC chip. Back then, the RAMDAC chip imposed limits on the
>refresh rates and/or color depths available with a graphics card. But the
>standard off-the-shelf Matrox drivers worked 100% perfectly with the Gatrox
>card. (Nowadays, the RAMDAC functions are built into the graphics chip itself.)
>
>Trust me on this one. I've ripped apart and put back together thousands of name
>brand computers (all brands) in the last 10 years. I read and decipher all the
>inscrutable markings on integrated circuits... Ben Myers
>
>On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:57:47 GMT, Jed Taylor <aspc-clone-gateway@offthedial.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I never use M$ Update hardware drivers. They've always corrupted
>>machines I support.
>>
>>OEMs like GW and Dell use non-retail versions of components, so it's
>>best to use drivers from those sites. Sometime retail drivers work,
>>but there's no guarantee since they might look for features the OEM
>>version doesn't have (to keep the costs down).
>>
>>If you've added a retail card, then use the vendor's site.
>>
>>
>>



----------------

"Jim, you think he's with Jesus now? We only have 30 seconds." - Larry King to "Passion" star Jim Caviezel, on the Pope.
April 10, 2005 6:27:33 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Turner,


I always use Add/Remove Programs and then go to the setup program. In this
case, I got a blue screen on reboot. Is there any reason to believe going
thru Add/Remove Programs would affect the install?

Scott

Turner Morgan wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Sorry to be so late getting back to you.
>
> When I have updated the drivers from nVidia, I have always used their setup
> program, not Windows Add/Remove programs. The nVidia folks seem to know
> what they're doing and I like the "one driver fits all" philosophy.
>
> Again, sorry for the late response.
>
> Regards,
>
> Turner
>
> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> news:425427E9.BC78B74B@uslink.net...
> > Turner,
> >
> > I went to update the video drivers by getting this driver from the Nvidia
> > website: NVIDIA Display Driver for Windows 2000/XP...version 71.84,
> > 02/24/2005.
> > I went to Add/Remove Programs and went thru setup. When rebooting, I got
> > a
> > blue screen, which said the computer was halted to avoid damage. I ended
> > up rolling back to the original driver and then had an icon issue (see
> > Icon Arrangement post below), but I solved that. I see in the readme.txt
> > for the drivers, it says to go to Display in Control Panel and the Update
> > Driver tab. Is this method preferable to doing a full install thru the
> > driver's setup program?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott
> >
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 1:19:07 AM

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None that I can think of right now. Maybe someone else has more info.

You are using a setup (implication: Everything is here to make it work)to
install the new drivers, not an "upgrade" program that may be expecting some
portion of the previous installation to be left behind if you ran the
"upgrade" installer without removing anything first. Does that make sense?

I know sometimes when I run an installer or upgrader, it will "remove" the
previous program installation. Even then, you don't really know what is
being "removed" and what is being left behind for this current
installation/upgrade to use.

The only thing I can say is that I have used the nVidia driver setup to
update my video drivers without "add/remove" anything beforehand. Now,
maybe the nVidia folks have royally screwed something up since I last
upgraded my drivers. I won't know about that until I have the time to check
for and do another upgrade. Right now, what I have is working (if it works,
don't fix it sort of thing) and I am not going to mess with it unless nVidia
can convince me that their crop of new drivers is going to make my system
better.

Sorry I cannot be of more assistance.

Regards,

Turner

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
news:42597E25.7CAC4F6E@uslink.net...
> Turner,
>
>
> I always use Add/Remove Programs and then go to the setup program. In
> this
> case, I got a blue screen on reboot. Is there any reason to believe going
> thru Add/Remove Programs would affect the install?
>
> Scott
>
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 5:43:50 AM

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Well, 99 times out a 100, when a computer shows up here for service and it needs
drivers (owner lost the driver CD, etc), I install the drivers from the chip
manufacturer's web site and all is well. This is true across all name brands
I've had to service: Gateway, HP, IBM, Dell, Compaq (still a separate brand
name), eMachines (ditto). Some of them, such as eMachines (before the Gateway
acquisition/merger/whatayacallit) had such abysmally bad web sites that one
could not find drivers with a flashlight and bloodhounds. Others, such as HP
with its Pavilion models, provide only the drivers for the operating system that
was shipped with the model, and often not even that! Still other name brand
computer web sites may have the needed drivers, but they are painfully difficult
to navigate. So I got in the habit of using chipset mfrs drivers and never
looked back. With scenarios such as those presented by the HP Pavilions and
eMachines, how would one get the drivers if not from the chipset mfrs web site?

Chip manufacturers may produce a dumbed-down OEM version of a card or chip, but
the costs of supporting the OEM chip would double if it had functionality that
was not present in the mainstream chip. The costs accure in the software area:
writing drivers, debugging and testing the drivers, fixing defects in drivers,
posting updated drivers. Chip manufacturers may sometimes produce dumbed-down
OEM chips, but they are not dumb. They do not want to double their software
development and support costs for themselves. (Compaq did some entirely bizarre
chips way back when, having chips manufactured with different register files
than retail chips, necessitating non-standard drivers. Once Compaq had a taste
for the mess they'd made for themselves, they stopped doing this. Real fast.
The person who made the decision to do this probably got whomped over the head
for the stupid decision.)

Now I must admit to being enough of a chiphead that it is very easy for me to
identify the major chips on all the boards inside a computer.

As my response relates to this newsgroup, EVERY Gateway computer or
Gateway-branded part I have touched in the last 10+ years going back to 386s
used absolutely standard chipsets with no required difference in the driver
software. Even the lamentable Gatrox PCI card uses standard Matrox drivers,
albeit with a crippled RAMDAC which is only peripherally visible to the drivers.

20 years in the biz? I can top that. A cinch. I got my first paying job in
the computer biz in 1962 as an undergraduate student programming in assembly
language on a GE-225 computer. Stick to facts. Years of survival and
adaptation to rapid change in the industry have nothing to do with the topic at
hand.

As for drivers from the Micro$oft update web site, we are 100% in agreement that
installing them is like playing Russian roulette... Ben Myers

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:41:29 GMT, Jed Taylor <aspc-clone-gateway@offthedial.com>
wrote:

>You can take exception to anything you want. The motivation, however,
>is to save costs. OEMs like GW and Dell buy so much at a time that
>they can afford to get a vendor to create a "dumbed-down" version of a
>card that lacks higher-end features the vast majority of buyers will
>never use.
>
>There's a reason OEM's post drivers for their components on their
>websites instead of just telling people to go visit XYZ's. It's that
>these drivers are written for the OEM version, not the retail version.
>
>You do what you want. I've been in the biz for over 20 years, so I'm
>painfully familiar with it's history and evolution.
>
>OTOH, people who download drivers from M$ Update, or load retail
>drivers for OEM cards, make up a share my business, so I guess I
>should just keep quiet and collect the money.
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:09:58 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
>(Ben Myers) wrote:
>
>>Sorry, but I have to take strong exception to the statement that only drivers
>>from the name-brand computer manufacturer's site should be used. Long
>>experience here has shown the opposite.
>>
>>At this time (and going back maybe 6, 7, or more years), there is zero
>>motivation for a name brand computer company to use "special" hardware. It
>>costs more to manufacture special than to manufacture standard off the shelf.
>>It costs oodles more to support special hardware in terms of special drivers and
>>a special supply of spare parts, not to mention tech support, such that it is.
>>
>>There is no difference whatsoever between chipsets used in OEM hardware and
>>retail hardware. About all you will find these days in differences are smallish
>>ones like graphics cards with less memory (e.g. a 32MB card instead of 64MB or
>>128MB) or a graphics chip with less power (a slower nVidia GForce chip for
>>example). Drivers are written so that they autodetect and use the exact memory
>>size on the card they find when the system boots up. Driver software does not
>>care whether the graphics chip is a slower or a faster one. nVidia's single
>>graphics driver set support all the versions of its chips. ATI and Matrox (Is
>>Matrox still in the league?) are very similar. Intel's Extreme Graphics on the
>>motherboard are the same.
>>
>>The same reasoning goes for motherboard chipsets, audio, network, USB and
>>whatever else you want. The computer industry has truly become more of a
>>commodity industry than any other as far as the electronic guts of a computer
>>are concerned. Differences among name brands exist in the styling of the
>>computer chassis, customization of the BIOS splash screen (Dell and IBM give
>>their BIOSes a specific look-and-feel user interface), and choice of
>>manufacturers. But most of the parts are interchangable unless there are
>>physical differences in size, shape, connectors, etc. as with motherboards and
>>power supplies.
>>
>>A number of years ago, there was the "Gatrox" fiasco, caused by Gateway's
>>stubborn insistence on Matrox manufacturing a PCI graphics card with a cheaper,
>>less capable RAMDAC chip. Back then, the RAMDAC chip imposed limits on the
>>refresh rates and/or color depths available with a graphics card. But the
>>standard off-the-shelf Matrox drivers worked 100% perfectly with the Gatrox
>>card. (Nowadays, the RAMDAC functions are built into the graphics chip itself.)
>>
>>Trust me on this one. I've ripped apart and put back together thousands of name
>>brand computers (all brands) in the last 10 years. I read and decipher all the
>>inscrutable markings on integrated circuits... Ben Myers
>>
>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:57:47 GMT, Jed Taylor <aspc-clone-gateway@offthedial.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I never use M$ Update hardware drivers. They've always corrupted
>>>machines I support.
>>>
>>>OEMs like GW and Dell use non-retail versions of components, so it's
>>>best to use drivers from those sites. Sometime retail drivers work,
>>>but there's no guarantee since they might look for features the OEM
>>>version doesn't have (to keep the costs down).
>>>
>>>If you've added a retail card, then use the vendor's site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>----------------
>
>"Jim, you think he's with Jesus now? We only have 30 seconds." - Larry King to "Passion" star Jim Caviezel, on the Pope.
April 12, 2005 3:08:18 AM

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Turner,

I should have clarified that I went to Add/Remove Programs and removed the
old Nvidia drivers before running the Setup program for the new drivers.
Since I got a blue screen on reboot, and then my icons rearranged themselves
into a rectangular grid (alphabetically) and I couldn't undo this view, I
rolled back to the previous drivers and then did a Restore to get my icon
placement back. I'm going to leave well enough alone for now and stick with
the original drivers. Although, if and when I decide to upgrade to SP2,
I know I'll have to try updating those video drivers again.

Scott

Turner Morgan wrote:
>
> None that I can think of right now. Maybe someone else has more info.
>
> You are using a setup (implication: Everything is here to make it work)to
> install the new drivers, not an "upgrade" program that may be expecting some
> portion of the previous installation to be left behind if you ran the
> "upgrade" installer without removing anything first. Does that make sense?
>
> I know sometimes when I run an installer or upgrader, it will "remove" the
> previous program installation. Even then, you don't really know what is
> being "removed" and what is being left behind for this current
> installation/upgrade to use.
>
> The only thing I can say is that I have used the nVidia driver setup to
> update my video drivers without "add/remove" anything beforehand. Now,
> maybe the nVidia folks have royally screwed something up since I last
> upgraded my drivers. I won't know about that until I have the time to check
> for and do another upgrade. Right now, what I have is working (if it works,
> don't fix it sort of thing) and I am not going to mess with it unless nVidia
> can convince me that their crop of new drivers is going to make my system
> better.
>
> Sorry I cannot be of more assistance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Turner
>
> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message
> news:42597E25.7CAC4F6E@uslink.net...
> > Turner,
> >
> >
> > I always use Add/Remove Programs and then go to the setup program. In
> > this
> > case, I got a blue screen on reboot. Is there any reason to believe going
> > thru Add/Remove Programs would affect the install?
> >
> > Scott
> >
April 12, 2005 3:09:53 AM

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Ben,

If you get a blue screen on reboot when installing updated video drivers,
does it make sense to try the driver Setup program again, or is it pretty
much a sure thing that those drivers just aren't going to work?

Thanks!
Scott

Ben Myers wrote:
>
> I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the Windows
> update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to go.
> Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is newer.
> Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via automatic
> updates!!! ... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:
>
> >Turner,
> >
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 4:54:48 PM

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NOTHING is a sure thing with Micro$oft Windows and its damnable lamentable
registry cesspool! I've had occasional blue screens installing various updates,
after which the system righted itself. There's no clear cut plan of action with
BSODs after an update. Roll the dice... Ben Myers

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:09:53 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:

>Ben,
>
>If you get a blue screen on reboot when installing updated video drivers,
>does it make sense to try the driver Setup program again, or is it pretty
>much a sure thing that those drivers just aren't going to work?
>
>Thanks!
>Scott
>
>Ben Myers wrote:
>>
>> I ran into the same problem when I used the nVidia driver from the Windows
>> update site. The latest driver from the nVidia site is the only way to go.
>> Oddly, the Windows update site flags it for updating, even tho it is newer.
>> Well, so much for letting Micro$oft take control of your computer via automatic
>> updates!!! ... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:18:17 -0500, Scott <golden@uslink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Turner,
>> >
!