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"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
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> In article <hO2dneLC9taFAonfRVn-rg@comcast.com>, "ReddShadoe"
> <reddshadoe2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "Iain Dingsdale" <iaindingsdale@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4kZQd.123017$K7.97900@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >
>> > "ReddShadoe" <reddshadoe2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:_6WdnX5MiZLQh4nfRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>> >>
>> >> "DaveW" <none@zero.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:zL6dnT_I5rR_fI7fRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> >>> That motherboard will NOT handle a P4 3.2 GHz. Time for a faster
>> >>> motherboard FSB, faster RAM, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> DaveW
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Well it WILL handle that processor...that board supports up to 3.2 I
>> >> believe...anyone else think the board will be a problem?
>> >
>> > Yes, it only supports up to 533mhz bus, and the fastest i can find with
>> > that is a 2.4
>> > just buy an A64 and be done with it
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/sv/sv_proc.htm
>>
>> Pretty clear here that my board supports a P4 3.06 (well over 2.4 but
>> below
>> my guess of 3.2)...
>>
>> Any constructive suggestions from someone who is not just an AMD fanboy?
>
> I like this picture, because it demonstrates how a good video card
> benefits from a faster processor. Your card would be at the top
> of this heap:
>
>
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030120/vgacharts-04.html
>
> I prepared a few options, including an AMD one for comparison:
>
> ************* Option 1 - Cheapest upgrade **************
>
http://www.cpudatabase.com ("search database", P4 2.8b)
> P4 2.8b/FSB533/512KB Northwood 0.13u
> Average overclock 3.3GHz
> 3.2GHz on a Asus P4PE (845 based board) with air cooling.
> Here is a sample processor from the list on cpudatabase
>
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL6HL
>
> Buy a 2.8b and safely overclock it to 3.066 - price $167 US
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-148&depa=0
> (There should not be any divider problems with that tiny overclock.)
> (You may not even need to bump up Vcore to do it.)
>
> ************* Option 2 - LGA775 Processor + Mobo **************
> This option gives you Hyperthreading, dual channel RAM, and
> a faster FSB. You get to reuse your hardware, and only a new
> mobo and processor are required. There are other companies that
> make LGA775/865PE motherboards like this one, but I'm too lazy
> to search for them.
>
> Asus P5P800 $94 Takes LGA775 processor.
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-511&depa=0
> Intel 530J processor 3.0GHz/FSB800/1MB (Enhanced Halt - Cooler Operation)
>
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-011986.htm
> Intel 530J processor $185
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-200&depa=0
> Intel guide to dual channel RAM - any combo of DDR ram will run,
> but some combinations run slightly better than others.
>
ftp://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/applnots/25303601.pdf
>
> Total price - $279
> ************** Option 3 - Athlon64 Socket 939 mobo +proc *********
> Motherboard $70 to $143 (Gigabyte board for $189 ? Why so expensive ?)
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&catalog=22&propertycodevalue=6155,%200,%200,%200,%203829,%200,%200,%200,%200,%200,%200,%200,%200&minprice=&maxprice=&mfrcode=0&DEPA=1&Order=price
> Processor Athlon64 S939 3000+ 1.8GHz 512KB Winchester 90nm $155
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-501&depa=1
>
> Total price - $225 .. $298
> Note - Memory rules are different than Intel. You get four DIMM slots.
> With unmatched DIMMs, you can use up to two DIMMs in single channel mode.
> With matched DIMMs in pairs, you can use two or four DIMMs.
> If using two DIMMs, you can run DDR400 Command Rate 1T
> If using four DIMMs, you can run DDR400 Command Rate 2T (20% less B.W.)
> Memory controller is inside the processor. The processor is picky
> about RAM, and in the worst case scenario, you turn down the memory
> to DDR333 speed to get stability.
> ***************
> Performance (trying my best to avoid being a fanboy)
> Athlon64 - best gaming experience. Can be smooth as butter.
> P4 - not quite as smooth while gaming
> - better desktop experience, smoother desktop
> (comparison based on my P4 versus my AthlonXP)
> - Hyperthreading contributes to smoothness (in WinXP)
> - Much software optimized for P4, which is why P4 wins
> certain benchmarks.
>
> Note - I selected 3GHz for all of them, to get a cheap price
> for comparison purposes.
>
> HTH,
> Paul
Wow, thanks! THis will be a big help. I just found out also that Athlon
xx00 is comparable to Intel x.x to a point, so now I have more to work
with...and you weren't being a fanboy, you provided a reason to look at
Athlon rather than just ignoring my questions and telling me to get an
Athlon.
by P4 3,06, FSB533, HT, Northwood).
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