6800 vanilla or 6600gt

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Am looking to change my graphics card this summer to one of these two cards.
Has to be agp. looking to spend about £180, but dont mind strecting
it -abit!

I'm personally going towards the 6800, but im just wondering which
manufactures are the best?

without getting flamed, is their a worthwhile ati alternative within my
budget

spec of my machine is p4, 3.6. 1gb ram. mostly used for games

Thank you

 

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Aloe <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote:
> Am looking to change my graphics card this summer to one of these two
> cards. Has to be agp. looking to spend about £180, but dont mind
> strecting
> it -abit!
>
> I'm personally going towards the 6800, but im just wondering which
> manufactures are the best?
>
> without getting flamed, is their a worthwhile ati alternative within
> my budget
>
> spec of my machine is p4, 3.6. 1gb ram. mostly used for games

Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT and
6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT has
higher speed).

Don't buy one of the fancy models with dual fans -- it's a marketing
gimmick without real value. One out of two fans will break faster than
one out of one, and the smaller the fans, the more noise they make.

Regards,
--
*Art

 

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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> Aloe <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote:

>
> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT and
> 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT has
> higher speed).
>
>

As I recall, some of the 6800s had no ability to decode high definition WMV
files in hardware. Is this true for all flavors of the 6800?

 

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dunno about manufacturers, but the 6800 "NU" (base model) benchmarks
better than a 6600GT.

"Aloe" <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote in message
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> Am looking to change my graphics card this summer to one of these two
> cards.
> Has to be agp. looking to spend about £180, but dont mind strecting
> it -abit!
>
> I'm personally going towards the 6800, but im just wondering which
> manufactures are the best?
>
> without getting flamed, is their a worthwhile ati alternative within my
> budget
>
> spec of my machine is p4, 3.6. 1gb ram. mostly used for games
>
> Thank you
>
>

 

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Tim <ixnay@ontheammyspay.com> wrote:
>
> As I recall, some of the 6800s had no ability to decode high
> definition WMV files in hardware. Is this true for all flavors of
> the 6800?

Only the 6800 GT and Ultra models. The "plain" 6800 has the newer core.

REgards,
--
*Art

 

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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> Aloe <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote:
>> Am looking to change my graphics card this summer to one of these two
>> cards. Has to be agp. looking to spend about £180, but dont mind
>> strecting
>> it -abit!
>>
>> I'm personally going towards the 6800, but im just wondering which
>> manufactures are the best?
>>
>> without getting flamed, is their a worthwhile ati alternative within
>> my budget
>>
>> spec of my machine is p4, 3.6. 1gb ram. mostly used for games
>
> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT
> and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT has
> higher speed).

Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the GT.
Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this. The GT has
256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right? And, it also
runs faster, as you stated.
Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my GT
gives me roughly 40% more speed (framerates) playing the games than the
vanilla 6800 did. It also maintains the speed at higher resolutions.
It also cost me $100 US more.

You just made it look like the 6800 and 6800GT are basically the same
card, but the GT is faster with fewer features. That was misleading.
McG.
>
> Don't buy one of the fancy models with dual fans -- it's a marketing
> gimmick without real value. One out of two fans will break faster
> than one out of one, and the smaller the fans, the more noise they
> make.
>
> Regards,

 

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McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>
>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT
>> and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT
>> has higher speed).
>
> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the GT.
> Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this.

I wouldn't call that a "feature", as it doesn't enable anything extra --
it just allows more things to run in parallel, making it faster.

> The GT
> has 256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right?

How much memory a card has has nothing to do with the (nothing)/GT/Ultra
designation.

> And, it
> also runs faster, as you stated.
> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my GT
> gives me roughly 40% more speed (framerates) playing the games than
> the vanilla 6800 did. It also maintains the speed at higher
> resolutions. It also cost me $100 US more.

I'm not claiming otherwise -- it *is* faster for what it does. The
problem is that what it does is less.

> You just made it look like the 6800 and 6800GT are basically the same
> card, but the GT is faster with fewer features. That was misleading.
> McG.

No, it's not. Try WMV9 video decoding on your GT, for example.
Download some of the 1080i videos from here, and see how they run and
how much CPU juice is needed:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9Series/GettingStarted//DemoCenter/VideoQuality.asp

Unless you have a really fast CPU with HT enabled, chances are you'll
peg it at 100% with loss in video quality as a result. And that's with
your machine not doing anything else.

See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2238&p=2 for more
details. Or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20515

Or try to run Pinnacle PCTV or another TV card without a built-in
encoder/decoder, or stream live TV. Not a nice experience, alas.

For *gaming*, though, the 6800GT rocks. Future cut scenes may of course
suffer

Regards,
--
*Art

 

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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> No, it's not. Try WMV9 video decoding on your GT, for example.
> Download some of the 1080i videos from here, and see how they run and
> how much CPU juice is needed:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9Series/GettingStarted//DemoCenter/VideoQuality.asp
>
> Unless you have a really fast CPU with HT enabled, chances are you'll
> peg it at 100% with loss in video quality as a result. And that's with
> your machine not doing anything else.
>
> See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2238&p=2 for more
> details. Or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20515
>
> Or try to run Pinnacle PCTV or another TV card without a built-in
> encoder/decoder, or stream live TV. Not a nice experience, alas.
>
> For *gaming*, though, the 6800GT rocks. Future cut scenes may of course
> suffer
>
> Regards,
> --
> *Art

FYI, none of the videos there are listed as 1080i, they're all 1080p..
though I could have sworn they had some 1080i ones (Coral Reef Adventure,
specifically.)

The problem that existed has apparently been fixed. I assume with a
workaround in the latest drivers. I'm using the 71.89s and I can play every
one of the WMV HD files on Microsoft's site with no problems now. I used to
get horrid stuttering, etc, but they play perfectly fine now.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx

There's some more there. Every one plays fine now.

RF.

 

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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>> Aloe <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote:
>>> Am looking to change my graphics card this summer to one of these two
>>> cards. Has to be agp. looking to spend about £180, but dont mind
>>> strecting
>>> it -abit!
>>>
>>> I'm personally going towards the 6800, but im just wondering which
>>> manufactures are the best?
>>>
>>> without getting flamed, is their a worthwhile ati alternative within
>>> my budget
>>>
>>> spec of my machine is p4, 3.6. 1gb ram. mostly used for games
>>
>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT
>> and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT has
>> higher speed).
>
> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the GT. Among
> them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this. The GT has 256 megs
> of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right? And, it also runs faster,
> as you stated.
> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my GT


I could stretch to a GT, what makes do you recommend?

 

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"Aloe" <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> I could stretch to a GT, what makes do you recommend?

I own an eVGA 6800GT. Love it.

RF.

 

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I think the PCI-E vanilla 6800 has a working video processor, but not the
AGP version, as you can clear see here:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html

In particular the AGP 6800 has for WMV:

GeForce 6800 SD/HD display processing including Gamma Correction and
Color Space

and the PCI-E

GeForce 6800 SD/HD hardware accelerated decode and display processing

"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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> Tim <ixnay@ontheammyspay.com> wrote:
>>
>> As I recall, some of the 6800s had no ability to decode high
>> definition WMV files in hardware. Is this true for all flavors of
>> the 6800?
>
> Only the 6800 GT and Ultra models. The "plain" 6800 has the newer core.
>
> REgards,
> --
> *Art
>

 

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"Aloe" <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote in message
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> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ob5qe.38696$j51.36968@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>> Aloe <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote:
>>>> Am looking to change my graphics card this summer to one of these
>>>> two cards. Has to be agp. looking to spend about £180, but dont
>>>> mind strecting
>>>> it -abit!
>>>>
>>>> I'm personally going towards the 6800, but im just wondering which
>>>> manufactures are the best?
>>>>
>>>> without getting flamed, is their a worthwhile ati alternative
>>>> within my budget
>>>>
>>>> spec of my machine is p4, 3.6. 1gb ram. mostly used for games
>>>
>>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT
>>> and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT
>>> has higher speed).
>>
>> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the GT.
>> Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this. The GT
>> has 256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right? And, it
>> also runs faster, as you stated.
>> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my GT
>
>
> I could stretch to a GT, what makes do you recommend?

I got the eVGA both times. New-ish company, but rock solid product. No
frills or extras. Just a perfect reference board Just in reading
this group, BFG might have more, like a better cooler. Oh, the eVGA is
quiet. Since the case is right on the end of the desk and the sides are
off, that matters
McG.

 

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McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
> I got the eVGA both times. New-ish company, but rock solid product.
> No frills or extras. Just a perfect reference board Just in
> reading this group, BFG might have more, like a better cooler.

Actually, no. The older BFG 6800GT model has a better cooler, but they
switched it out to a dual fan one that *looks* cooler, but IMO produces
more noise, dead zones and lowers the MTBF.

Always go for one big fan if having the choice between that and multiple
smaller ones. Not only will the bigger fan move much more air, but the
noise it makes will usually be less of an irritation, being lower in
pitch.

Regards,
--
*Art

 

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:d8at7f$5o0$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
> McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>>
>>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT
>>> and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT
>>> has higher speed).
>>
>> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the GT.
>> Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this.
>
> I wouldn't call that a "feature", as it doesn't enable anything extra
> -- it just allows more things to run in parallel, making it faster.
>
>> The GT
>> has 256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right?
>
> How much memory a card has has nothing to do with the
> (nothing)/GT/Ultra designation.

Except that the GT, Ultra and Ultra Extreme are the only desigs that
have more than 128 megs of anthing.

>
>> And, it
>> also runs faster, as you stated.
>> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my GT
>> gives me roughly 40% more speed (framerates) playing the games than
>> the vanilla 6800 did. It also maintains the speed at higher
>> resolutions. It also cost me $100 US more.
>
> I'm not claiming otherwise -- it *is* faster for what it does. The
> problem is that what it does is less.
>
>> You just made it look like the 6800 and 6800GT are basically the same
>> card, but the GT is faster with fewer features. That was misleading.
>> McG.
>
> No, it's not. Try WMV9 video decoding on your GT, for example.
> Download some of the 1080i videos from here, and see how they run and
> how much CPU juice is needed:

Uh huh... okaaaay. I'll go get some and see. How will I know what's
what when I'm running the movies?
P4-3.0E (HT, 800 fsb, 1m L2, fc2478), 2 gigs PC3200 at 400DDR in dual
channel, eVGA 6800 GT, XP Pro SP2, TB Santa Cruz. nVidia 71.89 driver.
Yeah, it's an original Prescott core, the 478 pin job everyone says is a
space heater. But it's not that bad at all really. Most of the time

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9Series/GettingStarted//DemoCenter/VideoQuality.asp
>
> Unless you have a really fast CPU with HT enabled, chances are you'll
> peg it at 100% with loss in video quality as a result. And that's
> with your machine not doing anything else.

Ok, got a little one, Racecars, 25 megs. Oh HELL YES! FRIKKIN COOL
man!!!! Slow? where? HA! 1024x768 full frame movies! I LIKE THIS!
Now, how do I see how my rig does while running these movies man?
Sorry, ain't thinkin so fast this morning, just got up and gotta get
ready for work yet and get out the door! I'll get ALL these movies
there this afternoon, see ya'll then!
McG.

>
> See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2238&p=2 for more
> details. Or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20515
>
> Or try to run Pinnacle PCTV or another TV card without a built-in
> encoder/decoder, or stream live TV. Not a nice experience, alas.
>
> For *gaming*, though, the 6800GT rocks. Future cut scenes may of
> course suffer
>
> Regards,

 

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> this group, BFG might have more, like a better cooler. Oh, the eVGA is
> quiet. Since the case is right on the end of the desk and the sides are
> off, that matters
> McG.
eVGA looked everywhere for a uk retailer..and couldnt find a thing..any
help?!!?!

 

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Remember you'll need this patch to allow for hardware accleration of WMV HD
on yer GPU with WMP.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=888656


"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:d8at7f$5o0$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>> McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>>>
>>>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the 6600GT
>>>> and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although the 6800GT
>>>> has higher speed).
>>>
>>> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the GT.
>>> Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this.
>>
>> I wouldn't call that a "feature", as it doesn't enable anything extra
>> -- it just allows more things to run in parallel, making it faster.
>>
>>> The GT
>>> has 256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right?
>>
>> How much memory a card has has nothing to do with the
>> (nothing)/GT/Ultra designation.
>
> Except that the GT, Ultra and Ultra Extreme are the only desigs that have
> more than 128 megs of anthing.
>
>>
>>> And, it
>>> also runs faster, as you stated.
>>> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my GT
>>> gives me roughly 40% more speed (framerates) playing the games than
>>> the vanilla 6800 did. It also maintains the speed at higher
>>> resolutions. It also cost me $100 US more.
>>
>> I'm not claiming otherwise -- it *is* faster for what it does. The
>> problem is that what it does is less.
>>
>>> You just made it look like the 6800 and 6800GT are basically the same
>>> card, but the GT is faster with fewer features. That was misleading.
>>> McG.
>>
>> No, it's not. Try WMV9 video decoding on your GT, for example.
>> Download some of the 1080i videos from here, and see how they run and
>> how much CPU juice is needed:
>
> Uh huh... okaaaay. I'll go get some and see. How will I know what's what
> when I'm running the movies?
> P4-3.0E (HT, 800 fsb, 1m L2, fc2478), 2 gigs PC3200 at 400DDR in dual
> channel, eVGA 6800 GT, XP Pro SP2, TB Santa Cruz. nVidia 71.89 driver.
> Yeah, it's an original Prescott core, the 478 pin job everyone says is a
> space heater. But it's not that bad at all really. Most of the time
>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9Series/GettingStarted//DemoCenter/VideoQuality.asp
>>
>> Unless you have a really fast CPU with HT enabled, chances are you'll
>> peg it at 100% with loss in video quality as a result. And that's
>> with your machine not doing anything else.
>
> Ok, got a little one, Racecars, 25 megs. Oh HELL YES! FRIKKIN COOL
> man!!!! Slow? where? HA! 1024x768 full frame movies! I LIKE THIS! Now,
> how do I see how my rig does while running these movies man? Sorry, ain't
> thinkin so fast this morning, just got up and gotta get ready for work yet
> and get out the door! I'll get ALL these movies there this afternoon,
> see ya'll then!
> McG.
>
>>
>> See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2238&p=2 for more
>> details. Or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20515
>>
>> Or try to run Pinnacle PCTV or another TV card without a built-in
>> encoder/decoder, or stream live TV. Not a nice experience, alas.
>>
>> For *gaming*, though, the 6800GT rocks. Future cut scenes may of
>> course suffer
>>
>> Regards,
>
>
>

 

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Sharanga Dayananda <sharanga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Remember you'll need this patch to allow for hardware accleration of
> WMV HD on yer GPU with WMP.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=888656

Which also means that you need WMP 10, which also means it won't work
under Windows 2000.

Anyhow, it doesn't turn on all the missing features for the
6800GT/Ultra, since the problem is in the silicon -- for the
6800GT/Ultra, expect high CPU usage, as the drivers "simulate" the
hardware accelleration through using the CPU.

Regards,
--
*Art

 

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Evga has been around a lot longer than BFG. BFG came out of the Visiontek
debacle.

DaveL


"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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> McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>> I got the eVGA both times. New-ish company, but rock solid product.
>> No frills or extras. Just a perfect reference board Just in
>> reading this group, BFG might have more, like a better cooler.
>
> Actually, no. The older BFG 6800GT model has a better cooler, but they
> switched it out to a dual fan one that *looks* cooler, but IMO produces
> more noise, dead zones and lowers the MTBF.
>
> Always go for one big fan if having the choice between that and multiple
> smaller ones. Not only will the bigger fan move much more air, but the
> noise it makes will usually be less of an irritation, being lower in
> pitch.
>
> Regards,
> --
> *Art
>

 

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"Aloe" <Hidinginthetrees@home.com> wrote in message
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>> this group, BFG might have more, like a better cooler. Oh, the eVGA
>> is quiet. Since the case is right on the end of the desk and the
>> sides are off, that matters
>> McG.
> eVGA looked everywhere for a uk retailer..and couldnt find a
> thing..any help?!!?!

They're in California. :\ Been to their website?
http://www.evga.com/ I don't know how US sales to UK works.
McG.

 

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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> McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>> I got the eVGA both times. New-ish company, but rock solid product.
>> No frills or extras. Just a perfect reference board Just in
>> reading this group, BFG might have more, like a better cooler.
>
> Actually, no. The older BFG 6800GT model has a better cooler, but
> they switched it out to a dual fan one that *looks* cooler, but IMO
> produces more noise, dead zones and lowers the MTBF.
>
> Always go for one big fan if having the choice between that and
> multiple smaller ones. Not only will the bigger fan move much more
> air, but the noise it makes will usually be less of an irritation,
> being lower in pitch.
>
> Regards,

Also, the bigger fan is much easier to clean
McG.

 

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Oh, I uh... don't use "Windows Media Player". I use the Real
Alternative and Power DVD, which seems to have no problem using HW
acceleration, HT and the WMV's
McG.

"Sharanga Dayananda" <sharanga@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Remember you'll need this patch to allow for hardware accleration of
> WMV HD on yer GPU with WMP.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=888656
>
>
> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lFeqe.32946$PR6.4616@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>> news:d8at7f$5o0$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>> McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the
>>>>> 6600GT and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although
>>>>> the 6800GT has higher speed).
>>>>
>>>> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the
>>>> GT. Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't call that a "feature", as it doesn't enable anything
>>> extra -- it just allows more things to run in parallel, making it
>>> faster.
>>>> The GT
>>>> has 256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right?
>>>
>>> How much memory a card has has nothing to do with the
>>> (nothing)/GT/Ultra designation.
>>
>> Except that the GT, Ultra and Ultra Extreme are the only desigs that
>> have more than 128 megs of anthing.
>>
>>>
>>>> And, it
>>>> also runs faster, as you stated.
>>>> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my
>>>> GT gives me roughly 40% more speed (framerates) playing the games
>>>> than the vanilla 6800 did. It also maintains the speed at higher
>>>> resolutions. It also cost me $100 US more.
>>>
>>> I'm not claiming otherwise -- it *is* faster for what it does. The
>>> problem is that what it does is less.
>>>
>>>> You just made it look like the 6800 and 6800GT are basically the
>>>> same card, but the GT is faster with fewer features. That was
>>>> misleading. McG.
>>>
>>> No, it's not. Try WMV9 video decoding on your GT, for example.
>>> Download some of the 1080i videos from here, and see how they run
>>> and how much CPU juice is needed:
>>
>> Uh huh... okaaaay. I'll go get some and see. How will I know
>> what's what when I'm running the movies?
>> P4-3.0E (HT, 800 fsb, 1m L2, fc2478), 2 gigs PC3200 at 400DDR in dual
>> channel, eVGA 6800 GT, XP Pro SP2, TB Santa Cruz. nVidia 71.89
>> driver. Yeah, it's an original Prescott core, the 478 pin job
>> everyone says is a space heater. But it's not that bad at all
>> really. Most of the time
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9Series/GettingStarted//DemoCenter/VideoQuality.asp
>>>
>>> Unless you have a really fast CPU with HT enabled, chances are
>>> you'll peg it at 100% with loss in video quality as a result. And
>>> that's with your machine not doing anything else.
>>
>> Ok, got a little one, Racecars, 25 megs. Oh HELL YES! FRIKKIN COOL
>> man!!!! Slow? where? HA! 1024x768 full frame movies! I LIKE
>> THIS! Now, how do I see how my rig does while running these movies
>> man? Sorry, ain't thinkin so fast this morning, just got up and
>> gotta get ready for work yet and get out the door! I'll get ALL
>> these movies there this afternoon, see ya'll then!
>> McG.
>>
>>>
>>> See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2238&p=2 for more
>>> details. Or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20515
>>>
>>> Or try to run Pinnacle PCTV or another TV card without a built-in
>>> encoder/decoder, or stream live TV. Not a nice experience, alas.
>>>
>>> For *gaming*, though, the 6800GT rocks. Future cut scenes may of
>>> course suffer
>>>
>>> Regards,

 

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"Aloe" asked:

> I could stretch to a GT, what makes do you recommend?

The BFG nVidia Geforce 6800GT OC. 24/7 support, lifetime warranty.
Overclocked at factory to 370 from 350. Yay.

BFG website: www.bfgtech.com

www.bestbuy.com had them on sale for $329.99 US last week.

Otherwise, go talk to the Manager of your local giant mega-chain computer
retailer (like CompUSA), be nice, and ask him how much he would take for
one. I got one at cost for $250, plus he bought my (used) 5700LE back from
me for $175, and installed the 6800GT OC free.

After all, AGP is <sarcasm mode on> "dead".<sarcasm mode off>

I love my local CompUSA. We have a good, healthy, consumer-retailer
relationship. No bull. No hassles.

Mark

 

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MP <markparrish@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Aloe" asked:
>
>> I could stretch to a GT, what makes do you recommend?
>
> The BFG nVidia Geforce 6800GT OC. 24/7 support, lifetime warranty.
> Overclocked at factory to 370 from 350. Yay.

I have this card, and don't recommend it at all. Well, if all you're
interested in is single-monitor gaming, it's great.

Regards,
--
*Art

 

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> The BFG nVidia Geforce 6800GT OC. 24/7 support, lifetime warranty.
> Overclocked at factory to 370 from 350. Yay.
>
> BFG website: www.bfgtech.com
>
> www.bestbuy.com had them on sale for $329.99 US last week.
>
> Otherwise, go talk to the Manager of your local giant mega-chain computer
> retailer (like CompUA), be nice, and ask him how much he would take for
> one. I got one at cost for $250, plus he bought my (used) 5700LE back from
> me for $175, and installed the 6800GT OC free.
the problem is, the UK is not like USA in this respect, i couldnt really go
down to our local retailer and ask for deals! esp pc world is a rip off

how does leadtek sound? i think i might end up with just a 6800nu,

 

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PowerDVD 6 seems to have its own WMV codec as it doesn't seem to benefit
from the acceleration.

All the other players I've tried Zoom Player Pro and WinDVD seem to use it
happily. I can tell because I have only a 2.4 GHz machine.

The reason PowerDVD plays back the clips fine is because you have a > 3.0
GHz CPU with Hyper-Threading. That's the minimum requirement for WMV HD. If
you turn off hyper-threading, I think you'll see a drop in performance (
assuming you have base 3.0 GHz machine).


"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9oqe.52806$6g3.30606@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Oh, I uh... don't use "Windows Media Player". I use the Real Alternative
> and Power DVD, which seems to have no problem using HW acceleration, HT
> and the WMV's
> McG.
>
> "Sharanga Dayananda" <sharanga@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Yejqe.6511$K5.5105@newsfe4-win.ntli.net
>> Remember you'll need this patch to allow for hardware accleration of
>> WMV HD on yer GPU with WMP.
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=888656
>>
>>
>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:lFeqe.32946$PR6.4616@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d8at7f$5o0$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>>> McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:d8adhi$4k4$1@cauldron.broomstick.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get the 6800. Don't spend the extra to get the 6800GT -- the
>>>>>> 6600GT and 6800 are newer cores with better features (although
>>>>>> the 6800GT has higher speed).
>>>>>
>>>>> Newer features. Different features. And fewer of them than the
>>>>> GT. Among them, the GT has 16p 6t pipes, you already know this.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't call that a "feature", as it doesn't enable anything
>>>> extra -- it just allows more things to run in parallel, making it
>>>> faster.
>>>>> The GT
>>>>> has 256 megs of 256 bit DDR3, and you know this too, right?
>>>>
>>>> How much memory a card has has nothing to do with the
>>>> (nothing)/GT/Ultra designation.
>>>
>>> Except that the GT, Ultra and Ultra Extreme are the only desigs that
>>> have more than 128 megs of anthing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And, it
>>>>> also runs faster, as you stated.
>>>>> Running the same games and apps, same rig, all default clocks, my
>>>>> GT gives me roughly 40% more speed (framerates) playing the games
>>>>> than the vanilla 6800 did. It also maintains the speed at higher
>>>>> resolutions. It also cost me $100 US more.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not claiming otherwise -- it *is* faster for what it does. The
>>>> problem is that what it does is less.
>>>>
>>>>> You just made it look like the 6800 and 6800GT are basically the
>>>>> same card, but the GT is faster with fewer features. That was
>>>>> misleading. McG.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's not. Try WMV9 video decoding on your GT, for example.
>>>> Download some of the 1080i videos from here, and see how they run
>>>> and how much CPU juice is needed:
>>>
>>> Uh huh... okaaaay. I'll go get some and see. How will I know
>>> what's what when I'm running the movies?
>>> P4-3.0E (HT, 800 fsb, 1m L2, fc2478), 2 gigs PC3200 at 400DDR in dual
>>> channel, eVGA 6800 GT, XP Pro SP2, TB Santa Cruz. nVidia 71.89
>>> driver. Yeah, it's an original Prescott core, the 478 pin job
>>> everyone says is a space heater. But it's not that bad at all
>>> really. Most of the time
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9Series/GettingStarted//DemoCenter/VideoQuality.asp
>>>>
>>>> Unless you have a really fast CPU with HT enabled, chances are
>>>> you'll peg it at 100% with loss in video quality as a result. And
>>>> that's with your machine not doing anything else.
>>>
>>> Ok, got a little one, Racecars, 25 megs. Oh HELL YES! FRIKKIN COOL
>>> man!!!! Slow? where? HA! 1024x768 full frame movies! I LIKE
>>> THIS! Now, how do I see how my rig does while running these movies
>>> man? Sorry, ain't thinkin so fast this morning, just got up and
>>> gotta get ready for work yet and get out the door! I'll get ALL
>>> these movies there this afternoon, see ya'll then!
>>> McG.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2238&p=2 for more
>>>> details. Or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20515
>>>>
>>>> Or try to run Pinnacle PCTV or another TV card without a built-in
>>>> encoder/decoder, or stream live TV. Not a nice experience, alas.
>>>>
>>>> For *gaming*, though, the 6800GT rocks. Future cut scenes may of
>>>> course suffer
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>
>
>