Choosing a new GFX card...help!
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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 2:33:12 AM
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Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
Currently I've got
Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
1GB 2700 RAM
Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
down and it still looks bad.
The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
or a 128mb 6800?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
difference I'm missing?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
Thanks for any help!
andyt
Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
Currently I've got
Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
1GB 2700 RAM
Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
down and it still looks bad.
The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
or a 128mb 6800?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
difference I'm missing?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
Thanks for any help!
andyt
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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 2:33:13 AM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
For that CPU and RAM that you are currently using I would recommend getting
an Nvidia FX 6600GT card. It would be a good match.
--
DaveW
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
For that CPU and RAM that you are currently using I would recommend getting
an Nvidia FX 6600GT card. It would be a good match.
--
DaveW
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 2:33:13 AM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia (More info?)
I have an old Dell box with a similar set-up (2.4GHz, 512Mb DDR-SDRAM,
4x AGP). I went with 6800. My 3DMark scores (all stock settings):
3DMark2005
----------
Game Tests 3DMark Score: 3204
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 10.6 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 10.2 fps
GT3 - Canyon Flight 19.5 fps
CPU Tests CPU Score: 2365
CPU Test 1 1.2 fps
CPU Test 2 2.0 fps
3DMark2003
----------
Game Tests 3DMark Score: 8325
GT1 - Wings of Fury 169.7 fps
GT2 - Battle of Proxycon 69.3 fps
GT3 - Troll's Lair 56.8 fps
GT4 - Mother Nature 47.8 fps
CPU Tests CPU Score: 475
CPU Test 1 51.7 fps
CPU Test 2 8.7 fps
These scores are probably on the low end, as expected for my system.
But they are not too horrible, I suppose.
One thing you may want to pay close attention is the power supply
(my machine has only got a 250W PSU). It's been reported that 6800
uses less power than 6600GT does:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-vs-n...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce6...
Do a google search, you will find more information on this subject.
Andy Turner wrote:
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
I have an old Dell box with a similar set-up (2.4GHz, 512Mb DDR-SDRAM,
4x AGP). I went with 6800. My 3DMark scores (all stock settings):
3DMark2005
----------
Game Tests 3DMark Score: 3204
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 10.6 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 10.2 fps
GT3 - Canyon Flight 19.5 fps
CPU Tests CPU Score: 2365
CPU Test 1 1.2 fps
CPU Test 2 2.0 fps
3DMark2003
----------
Game Tests 3DMark Score: 8325
GT1 - Wings of Fury 169.7 fps
GT2 - Battle of Proxycon 69.3 fps
GT3 - Troll's Lair 56.8 fps
GT4 - Mother Nature 47.8 fps
CPU Tests CPU Score: 475
CPU Test 1 51.7 fps
CPU Test 2 8.7 fps
These scores are probably on the low end, as expected for my system.
But they are not too horrible, I suppose.
One thing you may want to pay close attention is the power supply
(my machine has only got a 250W PSU). It's been reported that 6800
uses less power than 6600GT does:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-vs-n...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce6...
Do a google search, you will find more information on this subject.
Andy Turner wrote:
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
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Rick
June 15, 2005 2:56:12 AM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
A nifty performance comparison chart can be found here:
http://techreport.com/etc/comparo/graphics/
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
A nifty performance comparison chart can be found here:
http://techreport.com/etc/comparo/graphics/
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 3:48:44 PM
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In article <cnnua1de0mb2l5dau4gi072a8otrpv4sn0@4ax.com>, says...
>
>
>
>
> Nvidia 6600 Gt the ONLY Choice
>
> On your system it will be great mines only and AMD 2.4ghz. And mine
> runs great HL2 at 1024by768 or higher with AA4 AF8.
>
Seconded.
--
Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
In article <cnnua1de0mb2l5dau4gi072a8otrpv4sn0@4ax.com>, says...
>
>
>
>
> Nvidia 6600 Gt the ONLY Choice
>
> On your system it will be great mines only and AMD 2.4ghz. And mine
> runs great HL2 at 1024by768 or higher with AA4 AF8.
>
Seconded.
--
Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 3:50:25 PM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
In article <sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com>, Andy Turner
says...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
Geforce 6600GT.
Running Athlon XP3200+, 1GB RAM. Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
Doom3 Timedemo and in Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
--
Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
In article <sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com>, Andy Turner
says...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
Geforce 6600GT.
Running Athlon XP3200+, 1GB RAM. Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
Doom3 Timedemo and in Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
--
Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 3:50:26 PM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:50:25 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com>, Andy Turner
>says...
>>
>> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
>> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>>
>> Currently I've got
>> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
>> 1GB 2700 RAM
>> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>>
>Geforce 6600GT.
>
>Running Athlon XP3200+, 1GB RAM. Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
>Doom3 Timedemo and in Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
>FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
How does this compare to the 6800LE though? Anyone know? That seems to
be the decision I'm faced with. From what I'm reading (and *boy* have
I done a lot of reading this morning!), the 6800LE is often a similar
price to the same manufacturer's 6600GT. The 6800LE seems to be a
slightly cut-down version of newer technology, whereas the 6600GT is
an overclocked version of older technology - resulting in similar
prices, but what about the performance? If the performance is similar
I think I'd rather the 6800LE since I think it'll run a lot cooler,
being 300mhz core speed rather than 500mhz on the 6600GT - or is that
a bad assumption too?
Thanks again!
andyt
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:50:25 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com>, Andy Turner
>says...
>>
>> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
>> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>>
>> Currently I've got
>> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
>> 1GB 2700 RAM
>> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>>
>Geforce 6600GT.
>
>Running Athlon XP3200+, 1GB RAM. Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
>Doom3 Timedemo and in Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
>FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
How does this compare to the 6800LE though? Anyone know? That seems to
be the decision I'm faced with. From what I'm reading (and *boy* have
I done a lot of reading this morning!), the 6800LE is often a similar
price to the same manufacturer's 6600GT. The 6800LE seems to be a
slightly cut-down version of newer technology, whereas the 6600GT is
an overclocked version of older technology - resulting in similar
prices, but what about the performance? If the performance is similar
I think I'd rather the 6800LE since I think it'll run a lot cooler,
being 300mhz core speed rather than 500mhz on the 6600GT - or is that
a bad assumption too?
Thanks again!
andyt
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 3:50:27 PM
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:09:37 GMT, Andy Turner
<andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:50:25 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>Running Athlon XP3200+, 1GB RAM. Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
>>Doom3 Timedemo and in Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
>>FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
>
>How does this compare to the 6800LE though? Anyone know? That seems to
>be the decision I'm faced with. From what I'm reading (and *boy* have
>I done a lot of reading this morning!), the 6800LE is often a similar
>price to the same manufacturer's 6600GT. The 6800LE seems to be a
>slightly cut-down version of newer technology, whereas the 6600GT is
>an overclocked version of older technology - resulting in similar
>prices, but what about the performance? If the performance is similar
>I think I'd rather the 6800LE since I think it'll run a lot cooler,
>being 300mhz core speed rather than 500mhz on the 6600GT - or is that
>a bad assumption too?
And does that also mean that the 6800LE is much more ripe for
overclocking? Is the 6600GT already overclocked to the max?!
andyt
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:09:37 GMT, Andy Turner
<andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:50:25 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>Running Athlon XP3200+, 1GB RAM. Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
>>Doom3 Timedemo and in Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
>>FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
>
>How does this compare to the 6800LE though? Anyone know? That seems to
>be the decision I'm faced with. From what I'm reading (and *boy* have
>I done a lot of reading this morning!), the 6800LE is often a similar
>price to the same manufacturer's 6600GT. The 6800LE seems to be a
>slightly cut-down version of newer technology, whereas the 6600GT is
>an overclocked version of older technology - resulting in similar
>prices, but what about the performance? If the performance is similar
>I think I'd rather the 6800LE since I think it'll run a lot cooler,
>being 300mhz core speed rather than 500mhz on the 6600GT - or is that
>a bad assumption too?
And does that also mean that the 6800LE is much more ripe for
overclocking? Is the 6600GT already overclocked to the max?!
andyt
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 4:26:14 PM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
Andy Turner wrote:
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800 Pro
or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one at
that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro and
preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
A 6600GT is better than a 9800 Pro but I think it still costs over £100
You can get 9800 Pros for under or around £100 now
Andy Turner wrote:
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800 Pro
or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one at
that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro and
preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
A 6600GT is better than a 9800 Pro but I think it still costs over £100
You can get 9800 Pros for under or around £100 now
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 4:26:15 PM
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ofn01 <netusr@internet.not> wrote:
>
> Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800
> Pro or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one
> at that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro
> and preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
Except that a Molex connector has a maximum of 10A for 12V.
+12V is usually only used by HD/CD/DVD drive motors, which usually don't
run all at once. If you use a 4+ drive RAID, you obviously should have
taken precautions and gotten a better (or extra) power supply already.
Anyhow, you're more likely to encounter a problem with +5V, which often
shares throughput with the 3.3V rail.
Regards,
--
*Art
ofn01 <netusr@internet.not> wrote:
>
> Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800
> Pro or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one
> at that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro
> and preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
Except that a Molex connector has a maximum of 10A for 12V.
+12V is usually only used by HD/CD/DVD drive motors, which usually don't
run all at once. If you use a 4+ drive RAID, you obviously should have
taken precautions and gotten a better (or extra) power supply already.
Anyhow, you're more likely to encounter a problem with +5V, which often
shares throughput with the 3.3V rail.
Regards,
--
*Art
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 4:39:00 PM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
In article <uv10b1htbr7odmhth7h5itbppthic1i8f5@4ax.com>,
andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk (Andy Turner) wrote:
> How does this compare to the 6800LE though?
Not sure about this design in particular, but the bottom end of
any particular number range is usually there for marketing
purposes only. For instance the GF3 was miles better than the
GF440MX, despite the GF4 tag, as many gullible punters found to
their cost.
Usually you're better off buying at the top end of the lower
range rather than the lower end of the top range.
Or something like that. You get the idea.
Andrew McP
In article <uv10b1htbr7odmhth7h5itbppthic1i8f5@4ax.com>,
andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk (Andy Turner) wrote:
> How does this compare to the 6800LE though?
Not sure about this design in particular, but the bottom end of
any particular number range is usually there for marketing
purposes only. For instance the GF3 was miles better than the
GF440MX, despite the GF4 tag, as many gullible punters found to
their cost.
Usually you're better off buying at the top end of the lower
range rather than the lower end of the top range.
Or something like that. You get the idea.
Andrew McP
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 6:22:26 PM
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> ofn01 <netusr@internet.not> wrote:
>
>>Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800
>>Pro or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one
>>at that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro
>>and preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
>
>
> Except that a Molex connector has a maximum of 10A for 12V.
But more than just the graphics card (via a molex connector) are going
to be drawing on the 12V rail. If your CPU, HD and DVD drives are all
using up most of your 15A and the graphics card wants another 2A then
you could have stability problems.
A PSU may deliver more than a single molex connector could possibly
supply - but PSU's have lots of connectors yet still only supply the
same current for that voltage.
>
> +12V is usually only used by HD/CD/DVD drive motors, which usually don't
> run all at once. If you use a 4+ drive RAID, you obviously should have
> taken precautions and gotten a better (or extra) power supply already.
>
> Anyhow, you're more likely to encounter a problem with +5V, which often
> shares throughput with the 3.3V rail.
>
> Regards,
This is not the case. With a 9800 Pro the heavy drain is on the 5 and
3.3V but all X series Radeons and most of the 5*00 and 6*00 series of
Nvidia cards do draw at least 2 amps on the 12V rail. Given that the 12V
rail in modern computers is under load (with modern AMD and Pentium
chips drawing exclusively on this rail and HD/optical drives also using
it) you need to have a PSU capable of delivering a decent amount in
order to make sure everything is stable.
Check out these articles - the tables for each one show how the 12V rail
for the higher end cards is loaded up
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powe...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-vs-n...
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> ofn01 <netusr@internet.not> wrote:
>
>>Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800
>>Pro or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one
>>at that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro
>>and preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
>
>
> Except that a Molex connector has a maximum of 10A for 12V.
But more than just the graphics card (via a molex connector) are going
to be drawing on the 12V rail. If your CPU, HD and DVD drives are all
using up most of your 15A and the graphics card wants another 2A then
you could have stability problems.
A PSU may deliver more than a single molex connector could possibly
supply - but PSU's have lots of connectors yet still only supply the
same current for that voltage.
>
> +12V is usually only used by HD/CD/DVD drive motors, which usually don't
> run all at once. If you use a 4+ drive RAID, you obviously should have
> taken precautions and gotten a better (or extra) power supply already.
>
> Anyhow, you're more likely to encounter a problem with +5V, which often
> shares throughput with the 3.3V rail.
>
> Regards,
This is not the case. With a 9800 Pro the heavy drain is on the 5 and
3.3V but all X series Radeons and most of the 5*00 and 6*00 series of
Nvidia cards do draw at least 2 amps on the 12V rail. Given that the 12V
rail in modern computers is under load (with modern AMD and Pentium
chips drawing exclusively on this rail and HD/optical drives also using
it) you need to have a PSU capable of delivering a decent amount in
order to make sure everything is stable.
Check out these articles - the tables for each one show how the 12V rail
for the higher end cards is loaded up
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powe...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-vs-n...
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 8:19:11 PM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)
In article <ea40b1h1qn0vhuqhoufeo7mj509hl16qov@4ax.com>, Andy Turner
says...
> And does that also mean that the 6800LE is much more ripe for
> overclocking? Is the 6600GT already overclocked to the max?!
>
6600GT has a fair bit to go as the BFG OC versions show.
--
Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
In article <ea40b1h1qn0vhuqhoufeo7mj509hl16qov@4ax.com>, Andy Turner
says...
> And does that also mean that the 6800LE is much more ripe for
> overclocking? Is the 6600GT already overclocked to the max?!
>
6600GT has a fair bit to go as the BFG OC versions show.
--
Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 9:45:11 PM
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia (More info?)
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk>
Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
>>Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
>>FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
> How does this compare to the 6800LE though?
97 and 66 FPS.
6800LE@16,6, 3,1Ghz P4B, 1MB ram
Drv.77.30/GFX wasn´t overclocked.
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk>
Running at 1280x1024 I get 53FPS in
>>Counterstrike Source/HL2 Video Stress Test, 98
>>FPS dropping to 58FPS with 4xAA/16xAnisotropic enabled.
> How does this compare to the 6800LE though?
97 and 66 FPS.
6800LE@16,6, 3,1Ghz P4B, 1MB ram
Drv.77.30/GFX wasn´t overclocked.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:03:56 AM
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:22:19 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
<art@broomstick.com> wrote:
>ofn01 <netusr@internet.not> wrote:
>>
>> Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800
>> Pro or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one
>> at that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro
>> and preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
>
>Except that a Molex connector has a maximum of 10A for 12V.
>
>+12V is usually only used by HD/CD/DVD drive motors, which usually don't
>run all at once.
WRONG.....................
Where have you been in the last 3-4 years? . Take a look at a modern
motherboard, video-card and ATX power-supply. See the ATX12V1
connector - that square 4-pin jobbie....
Please read the following article:-
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/power_supply/default....
( Notice the date.... )
A 3GHz P4 takes about 9amps peak from +12V via the motherboard
regulators.
A 6800Ultra takes about 7 amps peak from +12V via the Molex at the
rear of the card.
Then add the Hard Drives, DVD-roms, DVD burners etc...
In a modern PC, the lack of enough juice on the +12V is a frequent
cause of flaky operation, especially when after-market
high-performance video cards are added.
BTW, for the really beefy systems ( such as SLI ) the power supplies
has dual +12V rails. The Enermax 701AX, specifically recommended
for SLI has dual +12V, 18amp..........IIRC...
John Lewis
> If you use a 4+ drive RAID, you obviously should have
>taken precautions and gotten a better (or extra) power supply already.
>
>Anyhow, you're more likely to encounter a problem with +5V, which often
>shares throughput with the 3.3V rail.
>
>Regards,
>--
>*Art
>
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:22:19 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
<art@broomstick.com> wrote:
>ofn01 <netusr@internet.not> wrote:
>>
>> Whatever card you get - make sure your PSU can handle it. For a 9800
>> Pro or a 6600GT you need to have at least a 300W PSU (and a good one
>> at that) with at the bare minimum 15A on the 12V rail for a 9800 Pro
>> and preferably 18 or 20 for a 6600GT.
>
>Except that a Molex connector has a maximum of 10A for 12V.
>
>+12V is usually only used by HD/CD/DVD drive motors, which usually don't
>run all at once.
WRONG.....................
Where have you been in the last 3-4 years? . Take a look at a modern
motherboard, video-card and ATX power-supply. See the ATX12V1
connector - that square 4-pin jobbie....
Please read the following article:-
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/power_supply/default....
( Notice the date.... )
A 3GHz P4 takes about 9amps peak from +12V via the motherboard
regulators.
A 6800Ultra takes about 7 amps peak from +12V via the Molex at the
rear of the card.
Then add the Hard Drives, DVD-roms, DVD burners etc...
In a modern PC, the lack of enough juice on the +12V is a frequent
cause of flaky operation, especially when after-market
high-performance video cards are added.
BTW, for the really beefy systems ( such as SLI ) the power supplies
has dual +12V rails. The Enermax 701AX, specifically recommended
for SLI has dual +12V, 18amp..........IIRC...
John Lewis
> If you use a 4+ drive RAID, you obviously should have
>taken precautions and gotten a better (or extra) power supply already.
>
>Anyhow, you're more likely to encounter a problem with +5V, which often
>shares throughput with the 3.3V rail.
>
>Regards,
>--
>*Art
>
Bobby
June 17, 2005 1:57:16 AM
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You should be able to pick-up an ATI 9800 Pro for under £100.
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
You should be able to pick-up an ATI 9800 Pro for under £100.
"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sskua1t5ob57vq2d3kc52jg37fq4h7iuv2@4ax.com...
>
> Help! Is there a good article I can read on mid-range GFX cards so as
> I can get some advice on what I need? Or can anyone help me?
>
> Currently I've got
> Intel 2.4ghz P4 (not HT)
> 1GB 2700 RAM
> Asus V8200 T2 (which is a GeForce3 Ti200, with 64mb)
>
> Now then, it would appear that my GFX card is the bottleneck. HL2 ran
> like a pig (lots of texture swapping pauses and it barely supported
> DX8.1, so things looked dodgy at times), and now GTA:SA is running bad
> too. I have to run it in 800x600 with the detail and distance turned
> down and it still looks bad.
>
> The main requirements I have for a the replacement is that it be AGP,
> have VGA and DVI outputs (not arsed about TV or any other bells &
> whistles), be around the £100 mark or lower and preferably be
> available from www.scan.co.uk (cos it's easy for me to get there!).
>
> Now then, I just don't get the model numbers by either ATI or nVidia
> and how to compare them. For example am I better off with a 256mb 6600
> or a 128mb 6800?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
> And similar questions arise with the ATI range. How come here, the
> 256mb model is cheaper than the 128mb model? Is there some other
> difference I'm missing?
>
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProdu...
>
>
>
> So how the hell can I compare them? Y'know I'd have bought one ages
> ago but the market confusion has put me off a number of times!
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> andyt
>
>
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