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September 10, 2011 10:56:30 PM

This is probably just my many years of working at bestbuy but I just find it hard to believe only 55 percent use internet explore. I've dealt with so many dumb customers there is no way that half of them would even know what a browser is, let alone how to install and use a different one than IE.

That browser choice window at the initial install of windows 7 must really be having an effect.
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Anonymous
September 10, 2011 11:01:48 PM

Though I have this issue of IE9 where it temporarily freezes on startup (even w/o any addons); I still believe that its still a big step forward for Microsoft when you consider the improvements over IE8.

Chrome updates quickly and effectively- and Firefox followed the principle with slightly less success.

I use Chrome for 70% and 30% for IE9.

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September 10, 2011 11:10:31 PM

I agree with the 2 comments above. IE 9 is a huge step up from IE8. I however, have issues with IE9 and also because im so familiar with Chrome, that I find myself disappointed when i use other browsers. IE10 should bring more competition to the table and that would be good for all users. Firefox! you can do it! Opera too!
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September 10, 2011 11:21:00 PM

Increase reliability.
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September 10, 2011 11:21:14 PM

Tyler_767This is probably just my many years of working at bestbuy but I just find it hard to believe only 55 percent use internet explore. I've dealt with so many dumb customers there is no way that half of them would even know what a browser is, let alone how to install and use a different one than IE. That browser choice window at the initial install of windows 7 must really be having an effect.


I agree the users are really dumb, but it could be influenced by places such as my computer store. Every new build has a package for internet installed that includes Firefox, Flash, Java, Reader and a few others. We make Firefox the default browser and most people just tend to use that. Not sure if other stores do that, but it's possible.
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September 10, 2011 11:48:05 PM

I wonder if IE10 will fix some of the things that IE9 broke such as attachments on windows mail on Vista.
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September 11, 2011 12:07:42 AM

I want better Html 5 support.

Faster Java Script execution.

And yes, able to copy and paste item (especially images) from the web page to Outlook. Don't know why I can't do this anymore in IE9.
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September 11, 2011 12:10:42 AM

does anyone still use the bottom "status" bar?

i want fullscreen browsing. no menu crap. let a menu drop down when i hover over the designated area.
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Anonymous
September 11, 2011 12:59:14 AM

Chrome is seamlessly updated every six weeks with major new features..good luck MSFT keeping up with that.
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September 11, 2011 1:01:52 AM

Doesn't matter to me as I don't use Internet explorer.
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September 11, 2011 1:02:11 AM

Hmm, I'd like to see MS add some laser headlights to IE10 -- oops, previous article :D .
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Anonymous
September 11, 2011 1:02:28 AM

MSFT is just coming around to full HTML5 and webGL support..chrome is pushing the state of the art with native client and soon DART..seems like MSFT will always be several steps behind.
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September 11, 2011 1:16:17 AM

pjmelect said:
I wonder if IE10 will fix some of the things that IE9 broke such as attachments on windows mail on Vista.

Hi pjmelect :hello:  . I agree with you :)  . I have a friend that is still using Vista Basic & I think that they will want that also ;)  . Also I would like to see IE10 made for windows XP operating systems ;)  . So microsoft,allow XP oprerating systems to download IE10 & be able to install it successfully. ;)  If microsoft does not,than there will be a big backlash ;)  . I know that we can go to Mozilla's Firefox browser,but I like to be able to use microsoft's internet explorer also ;)  .
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September 11, 2011 1:22:47 AM

Wish I Was Wealthy said:
Hi pjmelect :hello:  . I agree with you :)  . I have a friend that is still using Vista Basic & I think that they will want that also ;)  . Also I would like to see IE10 made for windows XP operating systems ;)  . So microsoft,allow XP oprerating systems to download IE10 & be able to install it successfully. ;)  If microsoft does not,than there will be a big backlash ;)  . I know that we can go to Mozilla's Firefox browser,but I like to be able to use microsoft's internet explorer also ;)  .

Hi Wish I Was Wealthy :)  . I also am using a friends Vista Basic to get online on this forum and I agree with pjmelect and you ;)  ,especially about the Windows XP operating system bit. We all want our browsers to be able to use IE10. ;) 
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September 11, 2011 1:29:06 AM

i dont think IE itself is necessary any longer, but it's good to have competition.
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September 11, 2011 1:33:23 AM

I'm not replying to any body else in this post,I just want to say that I want this IE10 to be abe to be used with the XP Pro,XP Home & also with the XP Pro x64 bit operating systems. Come on microsoft,what about your loyal Internet Explorer users! Maybe you don't care at all. I know that I can use Mozilla's Firefox browser & I have in the past,but I'd like to be able use IE10 & also IE11 plus the rest. Don't forget to be able to have a choice is to be able to say which browser is the best & that will be seen on such tables of hierarchy like that seen on Statcounter,W3Counter,etc. So remember Microsoft,there are ways of proving your superiority online like I mentioned earlier on in this post.
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September 11, 2011 1:37:33 AM

Tyler_767This is probably just my many years of working at bestbuy but I just find it hard to believe only 55 percent use internet explore. I've dealt with so many dumb customers there is no way that half of them would even know what a browser is, let alone how to install and use a different one than IE. That browser choice window at the initial install of windows 7 must really be having an effect.

Try working at a public library. Most of our users think the only way to get on the internet is "Internet Explorer". They have no clue what Firefox is, even though we have it on our public computers. Most of the staff isn't much smarter, to be honest. They're capable of swiping cards and books, but that's about it. That, and get on Facebook. They probably do shop at Best Buy, though.
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September 11, 2011 1:44:18 AM

tolham said:
i dont think IE itself is necessary any longer, but it's good to have competition.

Hi tolham :hello:  . Your right in one respect & that is the competition bit ;)  . That's why Microsoft is not so smart! ;)  In fact Microsoft is killing off it's own loyal IE support base. ;)  The reason why I say this,is because when I have to move back to Mozilla's Firefox,which is a good browser, ;)  microsoft will end up looking so stupid in the hierarchy browser tables which are seen on Statcounter & W3Counter,etc. ;)  Don't forget also that I will not be the only one to move,there will be thousands & even maybe tens of thousands or more moving to Mozilla which will show on Statcounter,etc. Which means that Mozilla Firefox & maybe even Google's Chrome will show quite a large bump up on the hierarchy charts for browsers. ;) 
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September 11, 2011 1:49:13 AM

JOSHSKORN said:
Try working at a public library. Most of our users think the only way to get on the internet is "Internet Explorer". They have no clue what Firefox is, even though we have it on our public computers. Most of the staff isn't much smarter, to be honest. They're capable of swiping cards and books, but that's about it. That, and get on Facebook. They probably do shop at Best Buy, though.

Hi JOSHSKORN :)  . Did you think that maybe people are just happy enough with the browser that they use. ;)  That's why they stay with their IE8,IE9,etc. :) 
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September 11, 2011 1:52:06 AM

JOSHSKORN said:
Try working at a public library. Most of our users think the only way to get on the internet is "Internet Explorer". They have no clue what Firefox is, even though we have it on our public computers. Most of the staff isn't much smarter, to be honest. They're capable of swiping cards and books, but that's about it. That, and get on Facebook. They probably do shop at Best Buy, though.

Yeah JOSHSKORN ! I think that nikkidpartypooper has got it spot on! :sol: 
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September 11, 2011 1:56:44 AM

Wish I Was WealthyI'm not replying to any body else in this post,I just want to say that I want this IE10 to be abe to be used with the XP Pro,XP Home & also with the XP Pro x64 bit operating systems. Come on microsoft,what about your loyal Internet Explorer users! Maybe you don't care at all. I know that I can use Mozilla's Firefox browser & I have in the past,but I'd like to be able use IE10 & also IE11 plus the rest. Don't forget to be able to have a choice is to be able to say which browser is the best & that will be seen on such tables of hierarchy like that seen on Statcounter,W3Counter,etc. So remember Microsoft,there are ways of proving your superiority online like I mentioned earlier on in this post.

XP? You're still using that out-of-date bug-ridden piece of crap? Microsoft ending IE support for IE9 and future versions of Windows was one of the best choices they made. They shouldn't have to cater to XP. Apple doesn't keep adding new things to OSX 10.4 why should Microsoft do the same for XP. As far as what Microsoft needs to do for IE10- they need to keep focusing on optimizing the browser and returning some of the geeks they once had that used it. I use IE9 even though I know Chrome is better. I do this for a few reasons:
1) I don't trust Google
2) Microsoft showed with IE9 that it cared about making a solid browser and since this type of want to make a great product seems to be running a bit scarce at Microsoft nowadays I feel that I need to support any glimmers of hope
3) I'm just too lazy to install another browser, besides I don't care that my pages will load up 2ms faster
4) IE is now the underdog believe it or not and rooting for the underdog is always good to try to increase competition
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September 11, 2011 2:02:12 AM

moonshire said:
I agree with the 2 comments above. IE 9 is a huge step up from IE8. I however, have issues with IE9 and also because im so familiar with Chrome, that I find myself disappointed when i use other browsers. IE10 should bring more competition to the table and that would be good for all users. Firefox! you can do it! Opera too!

You've got that right moonshire ;)  ,but also they should allow IE10 & all future IE's to be able to be used by all variants of the windows XP operating systems. :sol: 
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September 11, 2011 2:15:19 AM

11796pcs said:
XP? You're still using that out-of-date bug-ridden piece of crap? Microsoft ending IE support for IE9 and future versions of Windows was one of the best choices they made. They shouldn't have to cater to XP. Apple doesn't keep adding new things to OSX 10.4 why should Microsoft do the same for XP. As far as what Microsoft needs to do for IE10- they need to keep focusing on optimizing the browser and returning some of the geeks they once had that used it. I use IE9 even though I know Chrome is better. I do this for a few reasons:
1) I don't trust Google
2) Microsoft showed with IE9 that it cared about making a solid browser and since this type of want to make a great product seems to be running a bit scarce at Microsoft nowadays I feel that I need to support any glimmers of hope
3) I'm just too lazy to install another browser, besides I don't care that my pages will load up 2ms faster
4) IE is now the underdog believe it or not and rooting for the underdog is always good to try to increase competition

Hey 11796pcs,your just a Apple Mac suppoter I guess ;)  . Now the reason why you do not have to fix your browsers up so often,is because they're not so often seen ;)  . Take a look at Statcounter and W3Counter's hierarchy chart on browsers used and you'll soon find out that your Apple Mac's browsers is down below Mozilla's Firefox,Microsoft's IE and below Goolge's Chrome browser also ;)  . So I got it all in One,your just a luny :pt1cable:  Apple Mac user who can not prove nothing much at all. :sol: 
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September 11, 2011 3:41:22 AM

nikkidpartypooperHey 11796pcs,your just a Apple Mac suppoter I guess . Now the reason why you do not have to fix your browsers up so often,is because they're not so often seen . Take a look at Statcounter and W3Counter's hierarchy chart on browsers used and you'll soon find out that your Apple Mac's browsers is down below Mozilla's Firefox,Microsoft's IE and below Goolge's Chrome browser also . So I got it all in One,your just a luny Apple Mac user who can not prove nothing much at all.

Hell I don't even own a Apple product. What in my comment made me even sound like a Mac user? And I would NEVER let that peice of crap Safari get even close to my hard drive. You're just a hopeless XP fanboy who needs to get with the times. Oh and the rediculous amount of smileys in your comment makes you look like a moron.
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September 11, 2011 4:24:32 AM

11796pcs said:
Hell I don't even own a Apple product. What in my comment made me even sound like a Mac user? And I would NEVER let that peice of crap Safari get even close to my hard drive. You're just a hopeless XP fanboy who needs to get with the times. Oh and the rediculous amount of smileys in your comment makes you look like a moron.

Hell,you must have one! :pt1cable:  I'll give you that quote you said,"Apple doen't keep on adding new things to OSX 10.4 why should Microsoft do the same for XP." :lol:  You seem to know something about Apple's Mac PC or are you just spewing out anything that you think will work. :lol: 
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September 11, 2011 4:31:08 AM

nikkidpartypooper said:
Hell,you must have one! :pt1cable:  I'll give you that quote you said,"Apple doen't keep on adding new things to OSX 10.4 why should Microsoft do the same for XP." :lol:  You seem to know something about Apple's Mac PC or are you just spewing out anything that you think will work. :lol: 

You've got that right! You've got that so right,nikkidpartypooper. :lol:  11796pcs must be trying to fool us all. :lol:  My XP ain't so slow in the browser at all & that is what I'm using on this forum at the moment. :)  In fact my browser is faster than my mates vista's browser & my other pc has got windows 7 installed onto it & my xp's browser is still faster. :sol: 
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September 11, 2011 4:42:08 AM

In fact I've got another pc for internet banking & going to eBay also,which I have Vista Utimate SP1 installed onto & also dual booted with a retail boxed copy of XP Pro SP2,updated to SP3. I've been to eBay with each of my dual boot partitions & windows XP out does it by far when I bid on items & also when I flick through eBay's pages.
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September 11, 2011 4:50:33 AM

I'd be happy with 0 crashes. That's absolute zero. Not that it happens often, but even once is too many.

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September 11, 2011 4:55:02 AM

You have got to give MS respect for continuing to support a now decade plus OS considering the rate of progress in software. As a matter of fact they are going to continue to support Windows XP until 2014!!!

Yes that is minimal support only security related BUT who else does this in a for profit business?

Just for that loyality alone I will be buying more MS products. These guys at MS DO care about the customer!

I know everybody loves to vilify MS and Windows OS but compared to the other for profit competition (like crApple) who would you rather put your trust in?

Most importantly MS takes security seriously and isn't afraid to confront their customers with important security, information, enhancements, a GREAT FREE security suite that works seamlessly and doesn't hog resources...and if you need it FREE assistance by phone with malware and virus infections....

Does crApple do that? Heck no, they just tell you not to worry...HAHA!
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September 11, 2011 5:25:58 AM

Very good observations by Wolfgang.

It did indeed look like Microsoft just didn't care about Internet Explorer any longer up until IE8. They had 6 years to note (by then) IE's decline in the marketplace.

But IE9 really turned that notion upside down, at least for me. It was good to see Microsoft actually caring about their next generation browser. It was good to see Microsoft caring about rectifying their old ways. IE9 was what IE8 and IE7 should have been.

As for what I'd like to see in IE10, there are few critical features I can think of:
1. Robust session recovery. Like Chrome/Firefox. Enough said.
2. Saving location reset issue. Once in a while the last-used location after CTRL+S defaults to a library. Irritating.
3. Smoother tab actions. Opening a new tab feels heavy at times.
4. Better extensions management. As of now, it isn't possible to uninstall addons that some program installed for you.
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September 11, 2011 5:33:33 AM

Being a software engineer, IE is unfortunately NOT where it's "at". There are just too many other browsers around these days that no developer can nor should predict that IE will be dominant nor even last a long time. I use Silverlight 4 and soon to be Silverlight 5 along with WCF to do my front ends ... why? Well that's easy, but Silverlight is cross-platform and is basically just a browser plug-in. How to cover my bases and yet NOT be dependant on the OS or Browser.

Really, the Microsofot fanboyism I see here at Tom's is really silly, Microsoft are no long in a position to leverage their browser or OS ... just a reality of the changing times.

What MS products are you buy? They chopped game development, OpenOffice is free ... so I'm curious, what exactly are you buying from MS other than maybe their OS?

As for XP vs. Vista vs. Windows 7 ... ummm... XP actually has less bugs that Vista, and considerably less than Windows 7. I mean seriously? XP has been around a long time and has many years of bug fixes applied. It's still vulnerable to bad drivers, but so is Windows 7 and Vista.

Apple have financially stomped on Microsoft, in every sense of the word. The question now is can Microsoft survive? Without innovation and risk taking, I'm gonna guess not ... Windows 8 NEEDs to be radically different, and I hope they drop all those compatibility layers which is what drags down XP, Vista, and Windows 7.
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September 11, 2011 6:02:07 AM

It's really funny but I never seemed to have opened the IE browser. I must have installed OS's on at least 10,000 systems and have always made it a point to never have IE in them, always Firefox. Though I would like to know what did they (MS) actually do right, after all these years of bad experiences with IE, they really ought to be really good at making a new browser if they'd worked on the feedback they got from customers.
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Anonymous
September 11, 2011 8:24:54 AM

Fast backward / forward.
A real damn good built-in download manager.

These two are the minimum things I can remember from last time I've used IE.
But to me more Security is important and on top of everything else.
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September 11, 2011 8:50:14 AM

A little more than just a minimal user interface and more easily accessible menus would be nice.
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September 11, 2011 9:32:30 AM

alyoshka said:
It's really funny but I never seemed to have opened the IE browser. I must have installed OS's on at least 10,000 systems and have always made it a point to never have IE in them, always Firefox. Though I would like to know what did they (MS) actually do right, after all these years of bad experiences with IE, they really ought to be really good at making a new browser if they'd worked on the feedback they got from customers.

Hi alyoshka :hello:  . In my past XP Pro that had a single core only,I used both IE & Firefox regularly & even for several months I used opera also with the other two being on there also. ;)  Yes that is right,I had all three of them at one time. :lol:  Even with a single core pc only,I had all three opened up onto the internet at the same time. ;)  Now for some reason,I just stick to one browser at a time on each of my computers that are online (one browser per pc only). I've got three in total that I have online. :)  One for forums,general surfing (XP Pro,IE8 only),one for internet banking & eBay (dual boot with XP Pro,IE8 & Vista Ultimate,IE9),last but not least,one for online gaming (dual boot with both XP Home,Firefox & Windows 7,IE9). I have not used Googles chrome yet,although I was considering using it. Maybe I should use it soon on my eBay,internet banking pc. :sol: 
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September 11, 2011 9:36:50 AM

alyoshka said:
It's really funny but I never seemed to have opened the IE browser. I must have installed OS's on at least 10,000 systems and have always made it a point to never have IE in them, always Firefox. Though I would like to know what did they (MS) actually do right, after all these years of bad experiences with IE, they really ought to be really good at making a new browser if they'd worked on the feedback they got from customers.

Hi once again alyoshka :hello:  . I'm back again,I forgot to mention that I do use Mozilla's Firefox more often then I have posted. ;)  I just am going through a stage of trying IE for a while & to see how it performs now. :) 
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September 11, 2011 10:22:44 AM

Ahem "Wish I Was Wealthy", we all know that "nikkidpartypooper" is just you signing in with a different account. Please stop it.
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September 11, 2011 10:49:21 AM

11796pcsXP? You're still using that out-of-date bug-ridden piece of crap? Microsoft ending IE support for IE9 and future versions of Windows was one of the best choices they made. They shouldn't have to cater to XP. Apple doesn't keep adding new things to OSX 10.4 why should Microsoft do the same for XP. As far as what Microsoft needs to do for IE10- they need to keep focusing on optimizing the browser and returning some of the geeks they once had that used it. I use IE9 even though I know Chrome is better. I do this for a few reasons:1) I don't trust Google2) Microsoft showed with IE9 that it cared about making a solid browser and since this type of want to make a great product seems to be running a bit scarce at Microsoft nowadays I feel that I need to support any glimmers of hope3) I'm just too lazy to install another browser, besides I don't care that my pages will load up 2ms faster4) IE is now the underdog believe it or not and rooting for the underdog is always good to try to increase competition


The underdog are the standards being broken because IE does not follow them. That are the actual underdogs. IE is not the underdog here, even if it's loosing it's not the actual underdog.
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September 11, 2011 12:43:43 PM

On my Desktop my browser use is as follows:

I use Firefox/nightly(64 bit) 90% of the time.

My wife uses Chrome 90% of the time.

The other 10% used to go to opera, but after this latest installation of windows rather than uninstall IE, I left it on, updated to IE9 and use it for that other 10%

I have a fairly powerful home-built PC and a 50Mbps internet connection. To be honest, I see very, very minimal differences in speeds in each of the browsers, other than firefox taking slightly longer to load initially.

One of the biggest differences I notice when browsing is Flash/Java. Nightly (firefox 64bit) DESTROYS the other browsers in terms of loading flash and Java based sites. One of the best examples would be to go to google maps, satellite view and zooming in and out quickly. With Nightly, it is just soo much smoother and fluid than its 32 bit counterpart.

Now on to IE, the 64bit version is so unstable compared to the 32bit one, it is unusable at times. There is no (easy) way to make 64bit the default browser. Sometimes it just hangs while loading pages, etc.

So what I would really, really like from IE10 is better 64bit support. Hell, if you aren't releasing it for XP, why even bother with a 32 bit version anymore? let IE9 serve those still stuck in 32bit land.



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Anonymous
September 11, 2011 2:04:41 PM

WebGL is prone to security issues. I'd rather see them go the DirectX way.
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September 11, 2011 2:13:18 PM

I actually don't mind using IE9, except for how sluggish it is on my system. Mozilla and Chrome just get things done faster. I mostly use IE9 when NoScript on Mozilla is being a pain, and it's a website I trust.

IE9, to me, is actually good enough. It's just the other two load web pages to where it feels like it takes at least 50% of the time to load.
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September 11, 2011 3:15:11 PM

Quote:
U are all stupid. Firefox rules.......


You don't know what you're talking about. I use Firefox too.
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September 11, 2011 5:24:15 PM

I was forced to downgrade to IE8 because a web app I need to use wouldn't run on IE9. And it wouldn't run on chrome or firefox either. That is one thing Microsoft should work on to gain market share of IE9 and get rid of IE6
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September 11, 2011 5:37:39 PM

Wish I Was WealthyYou've got that right! You've got that so right,nikkidpartypooper. 11796pcs must be trying to fool us all. My XP ain't so slow in the browser at all & that is what I'm using on this forum at the moment. In fact my browser is faster than my mates vista's browser & my other pc has got windows 7 installed onto it & my xp's browser is still faster.


LOL @ using two accounts to try to back yourself up. I agree with the other guy, XP is old, people should get with the times. I'm normally someone who hates changing OS's, but in this case, it's about time...
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September 12, 2011 2:34:34 AM

This isn't for me, but IE 10 MUST support facebook games better than IE 9! I don't use facebook games, but my wife does and any time she upgrades from IE8 to IE9 I hear about it. This simply is a nono as far as I'm concerned. I know part of the issue is Zynga themselves, but c'mon man!
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September 12, 2011 3:01:15 AM

No silverlight, no Netflix.
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September 12, 2011 4:18:58 AM

otacon72 said:
There's no need to use a 64bit web browser...lol


I already gave you a reason, the 64 bit versions of flash and Java are much quicker. Reading comprehension fail.
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September 12, 2011 2:30:16 PM

If MS wants me to start using IE9 regularly, then ditch that stupid constant popup at the bottom of the page. It drives me nuts.

Or maybe I'm not Googling it right. I've tried searches for how to turn it off and can't find a way. Any suggestions, IE 9 fans?
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September 12, 2011 4:44:19 PM

What Microsoft must accomplish for IE10?

Better SVG Support!
They are much behind Firefox, Chrome & Safari.
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