How much am I not using out of my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?

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Hello.

I have an Athlon 2200+ CPU on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with the
latest BIOS and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AIW (128 MB). I am wondering how
much gaming's video performance I am not using compared to a faster
motherboard and the next generation of Athlon/Intel CPU. You can see
the detailed current system configurations at
http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?

The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
(FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.

Thank you in advance.
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[Dug]

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dude y don't u overclock your baton and maximize your potential.
I,did 11@200,1.65v,
xp-m2500@3200+ speed 17502 in mark 3d 2001.
with:
abit nf7-s
512mb crucial 3200
sapphire 9800 pro
nice and sweet very stable, try it you'll like it,,,,,,,,,
it blows my geforce to bitzzzzzz.......try it you'll like it,,,,,,,,, I
Swear*********
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
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> Hello.
>
> I have an Athlon 2200+ CPU on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with the
> latest BIOS and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AIW (128 MB). I am wondering how
> much gaming's video performance I am not using compared to a faster
> motherboard and the next generation of Athlon/Intel CPU. You can see
> the detailed current system configurations at
> http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
> to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?
>
> The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
> like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
> (FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
> newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> --
> "When I am at my lowest, that is when I see things the clearest. It's
> hard to care about ants when you're soaring with eagles." --unknown
> /\___/\
> / /\ /\ \ Phillip Pi (Ant) @ The Ant Farm: http://antfarm.ma.cx
> | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
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[morgan]

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> http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
> to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?

Regardless of what you would upgrade to you would see no such jump with your
9800pro. The differences would be only incremental, small at that.

> The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
> like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
> (FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
> newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.

Pop over to the official forums for that game and you will find that most of
the posters are running at 1024x768 and nothing higher, note that I said
most and not all. Also you will notice that some people are posting that
there monster of a machine is suffering, depending on which of the eye candy
settings that they have turned up, whilst others of a similar or lower spec
insist that the gameplay is alright for them. You might want to try the
"std" resolution and turn of the AF and AA settings on your card. I found
that I could run that game at very high settings but reducing them made it
"feel" more responsive to my movement.

I have noted that you don't have the fastest of memory, but you do have 1gb
of it, and you don't have one of the better boards to try and overclocked
your CPU. I have a 1800XP CPU which is running at 11.5x200. It will run at
that speed with the Vcore voltage turned up from 1.45v to 1.75v. In summer I
have a choice... Make it sound like an helicopter or slow it down to
11.5x180 and put the Vcore back to 1.45. And you know when I do, apart from
benchmarks, I see little differences in games.

> The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy

But you only quote one game. And I have found, in what I play, that Farcry
is the only one, as yet, that can test the best of the machines to the
fullest.

If you had have already got 1GB of 3200 memory and a NForce 2 board then for
the effort of overclocking it, or at the worse go out and buy a XP 2500
MOBILE (1.4v) CPU, then that is where I would go.

Depending how deep your pockets are you might want to still upgrade but
don't think that a 50% performance increase is coming your way



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Regards


Morgan

Hard Drive noise a problem....?

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[Guest]

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I don't have a Baton CPU. I have a Thoroughbred-A (Socket A) CPU. Also, I
don't like overclocking. My room is usually 85+ degrees during heat wave.
Yes, I have air condition but the heat travels UP to my upstair room so
AC doesn't help much.


dug <dugg@notme.com> wrote:
> dude y don't u overclock your baton and maximize your potential.
> I,did 11@200,1.65v,
> xp-m2500@3200+ speed 17502 in mark 3d 2001.
> with:
> abit nf7-s
> 512mb crucial 3200
> sapphire 9800 pro
> nice and sweet very stable, try it you'll like it,,,,,,,,,
> it blows my geforce to bitzzzzzz.......try it you'll like it,,,,,,,,, I
> Swear*********
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
> newsKWdnd8kK8KZ4QndRVn-gQ@mminternet.net...
> > Hello.
> >
> > I have an Athlon 2200+ CPU on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with the
> > latest BIOS and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AIW (128 MB). I am wondering how
> > much gaming's video performance I am not using compared to a faster
> > motherboard and the next generation of Athlon/Intel CPU. You can see
> > the detailed current system configurations at
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
> > to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?
> >
> > The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
> > like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
> > (FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
> > newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
--
"When I was five years old, I saw an insect that had been eaten by
ants and of which nothing remained except the shell. Through the holes
in its anatomy one could see the sky. Every time I wish to attain
purity I look at the sky through flesh." --Salvadore Dali
/\___/\
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Morgan <morgan@home.net> wrote:
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
> > to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?

> Regardless of what you would upgrade to you would see no such jump with your
> 9800pro. The differences would be only incremental, small at that.

Really? Damn, I thought 9800 PRO would have plenty of juice and my CPU was
a major bottleneck. I guess not! Ugh, I guess I need to save up for the next
generation of video cards. I just bought this one last Fall for 400 bucks (ow).


> > The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
> > like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
> > (FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
> > newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.

> Pop over to the official forums for that game and you will find that most of
> the posters are running at 1024x768 and nothing higher, note that I said
> most and not all. Also you will notice that some people are posting that
> there monster of a machine is suffering, depending on which of the eye candy
> settings that they have turned up, whilst others of a similar or lower spec
> insist that the gameplay is alright for them. You might want to try the
> "std" resolution and turn of the AF and AA settings on your card. I found
> that I could run that game at very high settings but reducing them made it
> "feel" more responsive to my movement.

Yeah, I am the type of guy who likes to crank everything up. I sacrified FSAA,
but I left anistropic at maximum because I can see texture details at distance.


> I have noted that you don't have the fastest of memory, but you do have 1gb
> of it, and you don't have one of the better boards to try and overclocked
> your CPU. I have a 1800XP CPU which is running at 11.5x200. It will run at
> that speed with the Vcore voltage turned up from 1.45v to 1.75v. In summer I
> have a choice... Make it sound like an helicopter or slow it down to
> 11.5x180 and put the Vcore back to 1.45. And you know when I do, apart from
> benchmarks, I see little differences in games.

OK. I don't like overclocking and my room gets up to 85 degrees(F) during
heat wave since I am in Southern CA.


> > The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy

> But you only quote one game. And I have found, in what I play, that Farcry
> is the only one, as yet, that can test the best of the machines to the
> fullest.

Another new game is Battlefield: Vietnam. It seems laggy when a lot of things
are happening in jungles and complex maps.


> If you had have already got 1GB of 3200 memory and a NForce 2 board then for
> the effort of overclocking it, or at the worse go out and buy a XP 2500
> MOBILE (1.4v) CPU, then that is where I would go.

> Depending how deep your pockets are you might want to still upgrade but
> don't think that a 50% performance increase is coming your way

Thanks for the insights. I guess I will wait until it is REALLY time to
upgrade!
--
"When I was five years old, I saw an insect that had been eaten by
ants and of which nothing remained except the shell. Through the holes
in its anatomy one could see the sky. Every time I wish to attain
purity I look at the sky through flesh." --Salvadore Dali
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip Pi (Ant) @ The Ant Farm: http://antfarm.ma.cx
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[morgan]

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> Really? Damn, I thought 9800 PRO would have plenty of juice and my CPU was
> a major bottleneck. I guess not! Ugh, I guess I need to save up for the
next
> generation of video cards. I just bought this one last Fall for 400 bucks
(ow).

Well if I put my XP1800 to its stock speed the REAL difference in games is
noticeable but not that much to then justify the cost of paying for a cpu
from AMD that runs at 2300mhz that I would overclock it to.

As the summer weather is an issue for you I would suggest that you would
have to pay a small fortune to get any noticeable difference in your games,
apart from benchmarks, and that is what must count.

To keep with a 32bit AMD rig you would need to buy a 3200XP (you don't want
to overclock) and some decent 3200 memory along with say a Abit NF7-S
motherboard. When that was done you would notice some difference but not
that great, really...!!!

--
Regards


Morgan

Hard Drive noise a problem....?

www.flyinglizard.freeserve.co.uk

 

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Morgan <morgan@home.net> wrote:
> > Really? Damn, I thought 9800 PRO would have plenty of juice and my CPU was
> > a major bottleneck. I guess not! Ugh, I guess I need to save up for the
> next
> > generation of video cards. I just bought this one last Fall for 400 bucks
> (ow).

> Well if I put my XP1800 to its stock speed the REAL difference in games is
> noticeable but not that much to then justify the cost of paying for a cpu
> from AMD that runs at 2300mhz that I would overclock it to.

> As the summer weather is an issue for you I would suggest that you would
> have to pay a small fortune to get any noticeable difference in your games,
> apart from benchmarks, and that is what must count.

> To keep with a 32bit AMD rig you would need to buy a 3200XP (you don't want
> to overclock) and some decent 3200 memory along with say a Abit NF7-S
> motherboard. When that was done you would notice some difference but not
> that great, really...!!!

Heh, I guess I am better off to save for a major computer upgrade then.
--
"When I was five years old, I saw an insect that had been eaten by
ants and of which nothing remained except the shell. Through the holes
in its anatomy one could see the sky. Every time I wish to attain
purity I look at the sky through flesh." --Salvadore Dali
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip Pi (Ant) @ The Ant Farm: http://antfarm.ma.cx
| |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
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[Greg]

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What driver version are you using? I seen big differences in speed using
older Cat's, currently using 3.7.

<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
newsKWdnd8kK8KZ4QndRVn-gQ@mminternet.net...
> Hello.
>
> I have an Athlon 2200+ CPU on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with the
> latest BIOS and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AIW (128 MB). I am wondering how
> much gaming's video performance I am not using compared to a faster
> motherboard and the next generation of Athlon/Intel CPU. You can see
> the detailed current system configurations at
> http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
> to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?
>
> The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
> like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
> (FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
> newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> --
> "When I am at my lowest, that is when I see things the clearest. It's
> hard to care about ants when you're soaring with eagles." --unknown
> /\___/\
> / /\ /\ \ Phillip Pi (Ant) @ The Ant Farm: http://antfarm.ma.cx
> | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
> \ _ / Remove ANT if replying by e-mail from a newsgroup/mailing
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The latest, 4.4. I don't recall seeing significant differences between
versions.


Greg <gregorysutton@comcast.net> wrote:
> What driver version are you using? I seen big differences in speed using
> older Cat's, currently using 3.7.

> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
> newsKWdnd8kK8KZ4QndRVn-gQ@mminternet.net...
> > Hello.
> >
> > I have an Athlon 2200+ CPU on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with the
> > latest BIOS and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AIW (128 MB). I am wondering how
> > much gaming's video performance I am not using compared to a faster
> > motherboard and the next generation of Athlon/Intel CPU. You can see
> > the detailed current system configurations at
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ... If I were
> > to upgrade, would I expect 50% jump in 3D games?
> >
> > The reason why I ask is because my newer games seem sluggish/choppy
> > like Far Cry v1.1 with everything cranked up at 1152x864 resolution
> > (FSAA 2x and Anisotropic 4X) with the outdoor scenes. This is with the
> > newest drivers and all. Yes, clean boot too.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
--
"When I was five years old, I saw an insect that had been eaten by
ants and of which nothing remained except the shell. Through the holes
in its anatomy one could see the sky. Every time I wish to attain
purity I look at the sky through flesh." --Salvadore Dali
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip Pi (Ant) @ The Ant Farm: http://antfarm.ma.cx
| |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
\ _ / Remove ANT if replying by e-mail from a newsgroup/mailing
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