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April 4, 2012 7:09:08 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57408827-504564/...

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Mr. Obama all but threw down the gauntlet with the justices, saying he was "confident" the Court would not "take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."


Isn't reviewing existing law that was passed by Congress the entire purpose of the Supreme Court? :ange: 
April 4, 2012 12:02:54 PM

Laws and rules do not apply to Democrats. This is a known fact. :) 
April 4, 2012 1:43:02 PM

The Supreme Court has overturned 176 acts of Congress since the nation's founding. "Unprecedented" the President says. Either he is flat out lying, or he is not as smart as everyone says he is.

Indeed, this guy used to teach Constitutional law? Give me a break!
April 4, 2012 2:28:26 PM

Hmm, I've heard two opposing opinions as to what would happen should the SCOTUS overturn Obamacare. First is that it would serve as a rallying cry for liberals & Dems (is there a measurable difference??) in the election. 2nd is that it would prove a humiliation for Obama and negatively affect his reelection chances. I'm sure Romney will make hay with it.

Personally, the only thing I like about it, is that now my 23-yr-old daughter who graduated with a degree in something about ocean environment, maritime law, and some other stuff (heh, you can tell its an amalgamated degree) from URI last year, and is now back in school to get a useful, employable degree in nursing, is covered under my health insurance policy until she turns 26.

Considering that in the past year she has sprained her knee, been to the ER several times, and various other mishaps totalling around $20K if uninsured, I'm pretty happy about that :D .
April 4, 2012 2:31:08 PM

The part that sucks about your situation Fazers.. is that the college provided a worthless degree, made money on it, and doesn't help career placement or anything else.

That to me is a giant scam that needs to be addressed.
April 4, 2012 2:41:08 PM

Could you not have insured your daughter prior to Obamacare?
April 4, 2012 2:46:54 PM

I never liked the worthless degree argument. It makes me feel like you cant study what you want you have to get a degree in certain fields. But then again I also think college should be cheaper.

As for the Individual Mandate I am curious to read the judges opinions.
April 4, 2012 2:54:55 PM

mingo, we agree on something. Education is astronomically expensive. Has risen 600% in just the last decade.

You won't get to read all the judges opinions. The court opinion will be written by the majority judge who has the most senority. If its the conservative majority, it will be Chief Justice Roberts, if its the libs it will be Kennedy, or Breyer. (not quite sure who has more senority between the two)
April 4, 2012 2:58:05 PM

Personally, I strongly believe in autodidacticism. Self directed learning. We have more tools available today to educate ourselves than ever in history.

Yet, we continue to follow the same path that has been in place for centuries. Many of the people who have had the greatest impact were self educated people.

There are many fields I am interested in and can purchase a book on, or attend cheap/free classes, or even discuss with others. I do not need to go to college/unversities to attain this knowledge.

What's the difference from buying a college book, reading it, understanding it.. $130.. and buying that same book to have a professor discuss the contents of the book.. for $2500.

There are areas where yes, you may need a professor or instructor. Do you need them in all classes, in all areas? I do not believe so. I can teach myself to a certain level or limit prior to needing additional knowledge or wisdom provided by these people.

When you think of some of the greatest minds in the world.. you don't know where they went to school to get educated. There is a reason.. the vast majority of them were self educated.

Granted, select fields such as nanotech and whatnot will require advanced education. Do you really need to have a college degree to be a plumber? Or a journalist? Or a photographer? Etc.
April 4, 2012 3:05:54 PM

Kids who are going to trade school to learn welding, plumbing, engine repair come out of school with an instant job. Good welders can easily make six figures. These kids that studying say classical studies and wondering why they can't find a job other than teaching would do well to learn a trade.
April 4, 2012 3:15:37 PM

I suppose I should have said you don't need a 4 year degree to be a plumber. Trade schools are good and all that.

But when you get a 4 year degree in something not really in demand, well that's just a scam.

Those are also skills that can be taught on the job as a trade and do not necessarily require high priced college education. Mutliple paths for that one. But the jobs are always in demand.

Whereas marine biologists.. well, good luck.
April 4, 2012 3:20:36 PM

Marine biologist. Yeah. To tie into another thread, I suppose that marine biologist would really need a "crisis to enable the applying for federal grant money to "investigate the crisis" and also be able to eat. The perpetuation of the "crisis" would keep the dollars flowing of course. :) 

P.s. sorry for the derail
April 4, 2012 3:26:16 PM

haah By no means did it derail. Natural flow of conversation.

Gotta keep the money flowing. Whatever is hot will have money.
April 4, 2012 4:57:34 PM

I just wonder, why are people so shocked at the comments by our court?
Obviously, the idea of the smallest most immediate government is also the most predominant one has failed, and I do blame that on our education system, where thats a non gray area, and shows how ignorant many are, including in high places, as power distorts reality
April 4, 2012 5:13:30 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Marine biologist. Yeah. To tie into another thread, I suppose that marine biologist would really need a "crisis to enable the applying for federal grant money to "investigate the crisis" and also be able to eat. The perpetuation of the "crisis" would keep the dollars flowing of course. :) 

P.s. sorry for the derail



Oh no problem, feel free to derail. I thought it was a funny thing story for Obama to say something like that, considering his "qualifications", and I just wanted to share.

I agree that there is far too much emphasis put on college education these days. There are many employers who have positions and they insist on candidates having college degrees regardless of whether or not said degree has anything at all with the position they are applying for.

Whats more. I once read a story on a "Geek humor" website, where a guy went to a fairly prestigious school in Arizona, got a 4 year degree in computer tech, and upon graduating he heard of an opening at the college for a network admin, he went to the interview and they allegedly told him "we don't hire recent graduates because they are not work-ready".... Not that I intend on working at my college after I graduate, but you can bet I'd be trying to sue them for the balance of my student loans if they told me something like that. What the hell did that guy just spend 4 years of his life and 10s of thousands of dollars there doing if hes not "work-ready"?

April 4, 2012 5:24:33 PM

There was a time in this country when "job training" meant just graduating high school.
April 4, 2012 7:02:51 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
There was a time in this country when "job training" meant just graduating high school.



Yea, used to be you didn't need to go to law school to become a lawyer. You apprenticed, did paralegal work for a couple years, then you took the Bar Exam. I wonder if such a lawyer would at least understand the purpose of the Supreme Court?
April 4, 2012 10:53:59 PM

fazers_on_stun said:

Personally, the only thing I like about it, is that now my 23-yr-old daughter who graduated with a degree in something about ocean environment, maritime law, and some other stuff (heh, you can tell its an amalgamated degree) from URI last year, and is now back in school to get a useful, employable degree in nursing, is covered under my health insurance policy until she turns 26.

Wow
My daughter is 29
Graduated from URI with a degree in psychology in '06, spent a few years putting it to use
Next month she finishes nursing school
April 4, 2012 10:58:39 PM

fazers_on_stun said:
I'm sure Romney will make hay with it.

I'm sure he'll have a great explanation for why his state deserves it but the rest of the country can go F$&# themselves, that will go over great in the debates, can't wait for the film real.
April 4, 2012 11:42:28 PM

Thats the way the constitution works, theres hope for you yet
April 4, 2012 11:52:03 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Thats the way the constitution works, theres hope for you yet

:sarcastic: 

And I see no reason why regulating interstate trade falls outside of the scope... but then, you are going to point to your own reasons within the constitution, I'll point to the commerce clause, and we'll still wait for the Supreme Courts ruling.

Your tunnel vision; no hope for you.
April 5, 2012 12:50:28 AM

l0ckd0wn said:
:sarcastic: 

And I see no reason why regulating interstate trade falls outside of the scope... but then, you are going to point to your own reasons within the constitution, I'll point to the commerce clause, and we'll still wait for the Supreme Courts ruling.

Your tunnel vision; no hope for you.



That would require you to understand what the Constitution, as intended, defines the regulation of interstate commerce as.

But you don't really care about that do you?
April 5, 2012 1:52:28 AM

Nor the total understanding of what, where and when the commerce laws applies
April 5, 2012 2:12:39 AM

No, I just think differently than both of you; I don't think insurance should be regulated by the State, for the lone reason that health insurance is a scam. Single Payer systems work amazingly because of their buying and bargaining power. Let all the insurance companies flock to Delaware to set up shop, just make the declaration that all health insurers are not for profit single product providers, and let there also be a public option to give a real level of competition.
April 5, 2012 2:28:29 AM

Some of this stuff I don't fully comprehend all the details of the issue. As I was a polysci major years ago and dropped out because I got so damn disgusted with politics. But a few random thoughts I have on it:

-Obama spends too much time talking about what the Government should do for us. This whole health care thing, how is the government going to pay for it to give to us? Nothing is free in this world. We're paying for it. To me the American way is, we should have the freedom, and right to choose what we want to buy, not be told. Why should I be forced to pay into this health care?

-On the same token, it enrages me that cigarette taxes have been raised in the name of children's healthcare. That to me as a homosexual smoker in a committed relationship with no children, nor the desire to have children is an outrage. If you have kids, PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS OR DONT HAVE THEM.

- I also don't see the need for compulsory health care. We already have laws in this country that hospitals receiving federal money are not permitted to refuse treatment regardless of the person's ability to pay the bills. If you walk in to an ER barely conscious in need of medical attention, they can't turn you away because you don't have insurance.

There are already many programs for those in need, there are tons of free medical clinics throughout the country for people in low income situations. Would it not be cheaper to pump some more money into those rather than requiring perfectly healthy individuals to pay into compulsory insurance?
April 5, 2012 2:29:38 AM

Whats funny is, the president of course thinks the supreme court is wrong, and has more or less said that what theyre doing isnt allowed, when, last I checked, it is the supreme court to uphold and defend the constitution.
Every 16 months it has declared something voted on as unconstitutional, yet this is new to the president?
Get him out before he finds anything else out
April 5, 2012 2:33:52 AM

:lol: 

Obama was first a Constitutional Lawyer... I find the remarks so entertaining and outlandish it makes me giggle.

@nekulturny - Smoking is a public health issue with no known benefits for partaking in it. If we are going to allow tobacco to be adulterated with harsh, cancer & birth defect causing chemicals, I don't see why we just don't legalize everything else which is just as toxic. I mean, smokers consume BILLIONS of dollars of health care every year, and frankly I think they should pay for their own masochism. And this is coming from a former Newport smoker of 9 years.
April 5, 2012 2:35:13 AM

l0ckd0wn said:
:lol: 

Obama was first a Constitutional Lawyer... I find the remarks so entertaining and outlandish it makes me giggle.



He was a professor who taught Constitutional law. Those were Obama's own words, straight from the horse's mouth, what is amusing to you?

I'm not sure which is scarier, the fact that he himself obviously didn't know the purpose of the supreme court, or his puppet masters who typed his speech into his teleprompter didn't.
April 5, 2012 2:39:48 AM

nekulturny said:
He was a professor who taught Constitutional law. Those were Obama's own words, straight from the horse's mouth, what is amusing to you?

I'm not sure which is scarier, the fact that he himself obviously didn't know the purpose of the supreme court, or his puppet masters who typed his speech into his teleprompter didn't.


I'm just going to step away and let you guys continue bashing Obama, it's what you do best anyway. I actually don't like defending the guy because I disagree with some of his flip-flopped positions like medicinal marijuana and the lack of a public option on the healthcare bill, the health care bill being the biggest let down. But then, I'm a true centrist. :) 
April 5, 2012 2:40:35 AM

Thats the problem here.
He either doesnt know, or is so far off that people would actually believe him and his deceit.
Hes inept either way
April 5, 2012 2:40:35 AM

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April 5, 2012 2:42:09 AM

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Hit submit and close thread at the same time heheh
April 5, 2012 2:43:24 AM

l0ckd0wn said:
:lol: 

Obama was first a Constitutional Lawyer... I find the remarks so entertaining and outlandish it makes me giggle.

@nekulturny - Smoking is a public health issue with no known benefits for partaking in it. If we are going to allow tobacco to be adulterated with harsh, cancer & birth defect causing chemicals, I don't see why we just don't legalize everything else which is just as toxic. I mean, smokers consume BILLIONS of dollars of health care every year, and frankly I think they should pay for their own masochism. And this is coming from a former Newport smoker of 9 years.



Fine, if I get cancer, I'll buy my own morphine patches, no chemo, no radiation. Just give me a waiver to sign and have notarized.

Fat people cost the health care system BILLIONS in health care every year too. Are we going to tax twinkies next? How about Soda, fast food? Where does it end? I don't buy this altruistic crap that Congress is increasing the taxes for good intentions. They're just as bad as a dealer jacking up the price of heroin on a street junkie. If they really gave a damn about people who were smokers, they'd ban it. This nanny state crap needs to stop.

Then you get this BS from primarily democrats, who act like they care about helping out the lower class. Well they know statistically smokers are low income people. Love the doublespeak. Its the Democrats who have been pushing the higher Cigarette taxes.
April 5, 2012 2:51:15 AM

nekulturny said:
Fine, if I get cancer, I'll buy my own morphine patches, no chemo, no radiation. Just give me a waiver to sign and have notarized.

Fat people cost the health care system BILLIONS in health care every year too. Are we going to tax twinkies next? How about Soda, fast food? Where does it end? I don't buy this altruistic crap that Congress is increasing the taxes for good intentions. They're just as bad as a dealer jacking up the price of heroin on a street junkie. If they really gave a damn about people who were smokers, they'd ban it. This nanny state crap needs to stop.



Where does it end? That's libertarian talk, and frankly I don't have any concern for "where it ends" because that's why we have our court system to interpret what is and isn't acceptable.

I view healthcare like car insurance; if you are alive, everyone uses it at one point or another regardless. All those who don't want to pay (those who are screaming liberty from taxation) are the true free-riders. Also to cover the bases, I don't view taxation as theft, so I have no problem with higher taxes as long as we are getting something in return. This is where you retort with we are not, and this is where I just highlight many social systems we utilize daily from mail, transportation, hospitals, police & fire, emergency services, etc. etc.
April 5, 2012 2:54:16 AM

Also, just to add for the record, I actually quit smoking in November, I now use electronic cigarettes. (Although I still light up a conventional smoke every now and then)

E-cigarettes, not much is known about them yet, but there is strong evidence that while they are not necessarily healthy, they cannot logically be nearly as bad as cigarettes. Yet, the FDA manner-minders without congressional oversight or cause decided to step in and seize shipments of them. Thank God the judge ruled against them.

Now what have they done? They've ruled them a "tobacco" product. I'm sure they'll start taxing them soon. It never ceases to amaze me how much the government can twist things and butcher the English language to suit their desires. THERES NO TOBACCO in Electronic cigarettes, and yet its a tobacco product?
April 5, 2012 2:55:10 AM

l0ckd0wn said:
Where does it end? That's libertarian talk, and frankly I don't have any concern for "where it ends" because that's why we have our court system to interpret what is and isn't acceptable.

I view healthcare like car insurance; if you are alive, everyone uses it at one point or another regardless. All those who don't want to pay (those who are screaming liberty from taxation) are the true free-riders. Also to cover the bases, I don't view taxation as theft, so I have no problem with higher taxes as long as we are getting something in return. This is where you retort with we are not, and this is where I just highlight many social systems we utilize daily from mail, transportation, hospitals, police & fire, emergency services, etc. etc.



"The American Republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the people with their own money"

No I'm not a Libertarian, no I'm not anti-taxes, however I am against government abuse. Clearly you don't regard the system as it exists today as such. Thats your right to believe so.
April 5, 2012 2:55:22 AM

If you have the power to make your job easier, wouldnt you?
Make popular law, your popular.
Spend someone elses money doing it, and you have a base.

Using scare tactics against the supreme court isnt the wisest thing to do.
As Obama has said, if this doesnt pass, therell be much suffering.
Like thats going to happen, and like that authorises its need.

Just because we can doesnt mean we should, and certainly doesnt mean its lawful.
April 5, 2012 2:59:12 AM

riser said:
Laws and rules do not apply to Democrats. This is a known fact. :) 
Stop lying to these people
with your Republican cracks! Laws apply to democrats also.
April 5, 2012 3:00:13 AM

riser said:
The part that sucks about your situation Fazers.. is that the college provided a worthless degree, made money on it, and doesn't help career placement or anything else.

That to me is a giant scam that needs to be addressed.


Well to be fair, the degree ("Marine Affairs") from U. of Rhode Island was actually not bad until the recession hit. I keep telling my daughter that BP could use some good ecology-types after the Gulf oil spil :) , but she also does not want to leave Rhode Island, for some unfathomable (no pun intended) reason. And she also did not attend many recruitment events or job fairs on campus, which she was eligible for. Since I used to do a lot of campus recruiting for my company, I told her that was a big mistake, but as a father to a 20+ yr. old, my IQ is apparently that of a potato and thus she didn't pay attention to what I said :p ..

She was on the varsity sailing team so I strongly suspect her idea of a degree & career had to involve oceans somehow. Of course, she could have joined the Navy and been paid for her time & trouble, but hey what does a potato know..

My ex-wife & I paid around $150K for that degree, but unfortunately no money-back guarantee :p ..
April 5, 2012 3:04:33 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Could you not have insured your daughter prior to Obamacare?


Actually I did, since URI required either student insurance to the tune of $2K+ a year or private insurance. So when she turned 22 I had to get some policy by United Healthcare - they charged $500 for 6 months and did not pay one nickel of any claim, including routine exams. Now that was a scam & a half! The only benefit was the prescription reduction and I guess the negotiated services rates.. I was downright giddy to dump their sorry arses once she got back on my Aetna family plan..
April 5, 2012 3:10:59 AM

delluser1 said:
Wow
My daughter is 29
Graduated from URI with a degree in psychology in '06, spent a few years putting it to use
Next month she finishes nursing school


LOL - small world, ain't it?? :) 
April 5, 2012 3:29:30 AM

musical marv said:
Stop lying to these people
with your Republican cracks! Laws apply to democrats also.

Unless you file for exemption under "Rangel Rule"

In all seriousness. I honestly have doubts whether or not democracy works. Congress has had an extremely low approval rating for as long as I can remember. And yet, we keep electing the same old windbags into office term after term...
April 5, 2012 3:42:45 AM

nekulturny said:
Also, just to add for the record, I actually quit smoking in November, I now use electronic cigarettes. (Although I still light up a conventional smoke every now and then)

E-cigarettes, not much is known about them yet, but there is strong evidence that while they are not necessarily healthy, they cannot logically be nearly as bad as cigarettes. Yet, the FDA manner-minders without congressional oversight or cause decided to step in and seize shipments of them. Thank God the judge ruled against them.

Now what have they done? They've ruled them a "tobacco" product. I'm sure they'll start taxing them soon. It never ceases to amaze me how much the government can twist things and butcher the English language to suit their desires. THERES NO TOBACCO in Electronic cigarettes, and yet its a tobacco product?


I agree with you 100%, it's unfair and unscientific.

nekulturny said:
"The American Republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the people with their own money"

No I'm not a Libertarian, no I'm not anti-taxes, however I am against government abuse. Clearly you don't regard the system as it exists today as such. Thats your right to believe so.


No, I believe the most derogatory influential force in politics is the dollar. When we take the private funding of politics out of the equation, and put all candidates from all afilliations on an equal stage and let them argue their platforms equally, then politics will return to sanity. Until then we are battling the interests of faceless, conscienceless, multi-national companies who bottom line is profit, and will do anything to get to that bottom line, including negatively influencing policies that would have a positive public good but may impede upon the firms goals.

Also, I am against government excess in every way, and think it should start with bringing the average pay of a congressman down to numbers that resemble middle of the economy persons, not the upper echelon of society. Government was never supposed to be an upper echelon, it's abused every way imaginable to keep it that way though. Andrew Jackson, Dwight D. Eisenhower and a few other president specifically warned of this in speeches and notes, and it's the very monster they warned us about. Hell, Ike specifically warned about the Military Industrial Complex and look at the $1.3 Trillion/year allotment they are getting between "Defense" and "Security" related costs. So really, I just want basic social services and health care coverage that is equal for all. If you want to go get extra insurance or privately held goods, I believe that is your right, but I don't think economic social status is anyway to determine who gets something and who doesn't concerning the most basic of necessities.

This was one of the most eye opening 20minutes I've had in awhile. Yasheng Huang is from China and gave a TED talk on Socialism vs Capitalism and the problems that arise in Captialism that don't in Socialism. It was very enlightening and really strikes to the heart of the problems with growth.

http://www.ted.com/talks/yasheng_huang.html
April 5, 2012 1:39:21 PM

nekulturny said:
Oh no problem, feel free to derail. I thought it was a funny thing story for Obama to say something like that, considering his "qualifications", and I just wanted to share.

I agree that there is far too much emphasis put on college education these days. There are many employers who have positions and they insist on candidates having college degrees regardless of whether or not said degree has anything at all with the position they are applying for.

Whats more. I once read a story on a "Geek humor" website, where a guy went to a fairly prestigious school in Arizona, got a 4 year degree in computer tech, and upon graduating he heard of an opening at the college for a network admin, he went to the interview and they allegedly told him "we don't hire recent graduates because they are not work-ready".... Not that I intend on working at my college after I graduate, but you can bet I'd be trying to sue them for the balance of my student loans if they told me something like that. What the hell did that guy just spend 4 years of his life and 10s of thousands of dollars there doing if hes not "work-ready"?


Late reply, but when I graduated at my college, as a student worker I was running most of the lab. My boss had died and I assumed a lot of his responsbilities until someone could be hired. I applied for the position. I was told I was under qualified. I found a new job before they found a replacement and they ended up shelling out over $10k in general consulting fees for basic work. This was back in 2000 when creating a user in Novell required someone with a profound knowledge of Console1.
April 5, 2012 1:44:00 PM

l0ckd0wn said:
No, I just think differently than both of you; I don't think insurance should be regulated by the State, for the lone reason that health insurance is a scam. Single Payer systems work amazingly because of their buying and bargaining power. Let all the insurance companies flock to Delaware to set up shop, just make the declaration that all health insurers are not for profit single product providers, and let there also be a public option to give a real level of competition.


Your understanding of the not--for-profit business model is poor. Not for profit doesn't mean prices will remain lower than a for profit company. In fact, that might even force prices to go up in a not for profit company. If you did a NFP, they could charge whatever they wanted and there would be little regulation over that, as opposed to for profit companies.
April 5, 2012 1:44:08 PM

Obama was not a professor. He is listed on the University of Chicago web page as "Senior Lecturer in Law."

Sort of fits doesn't it? I feel like he is lecturing us in every speech he gives.

@l0ckdown
I agree with you on the healthcare industry not being regulated by the state. Federal and state mandates are one reason healthcare is so expensive. That fact that health insurance providers can't sell across state lines is another reason costs are so high. There is no competition.

Comparing it to auto insurance, I can drop my car insurance provider and get another cheaper insurance in about an hour. With health insurance you have to sign up for a year. Why? Regulations. If the grip on the providers could just be loosened it would solve so many problems.

Alas, it is the same old story. Government causes the problem then proclaim themself as the only entity with the solution. The solution always being more government regulations.
April 5, 2012 1:48:50 PM

fazers_on_stun said:
Well to be fair, the degree ("Marine Affairs") from U. of Rhode Island was actually not bad until the recession hit. I keep telling my daughter that BP could use some good ecology-types after the Gulf oil spil :) , but she also does not want to leave Rhode Island, for some unfathomable (no pun intended) reason. And she also did not attend many recruitment events or job fairs on campus, which she was eligible for. Since I used to do a lot of campus recruiting for my company, I told her that was a big mistake, but as a father to a 20+ yr. old, my IQ is apparently that of a potato and thus she didn't pay attention to what I said :p ..

She was on the varsity sailing team so I strongly suspect her idea of a degree & career had to involve oceans somehow. Of course, she could have joined the Navy and been paid for her time & trouble, but hey what does a potato know..

My ex-wife & I paid around $150K for that degree, but unfortunately no money-back guarantee :p ..


I'm guessing a lot of the work, prior to the recession, was based on government grant money as opposed to public/private companies making an investment?

I've seen too many people get worthless degrees and then go back to school for something useful. I think College has become one of the biggest scams because they offer a degree in everything and try to keep a high graduate rate. People need to fail out of college more instead of just passing everyone through for the profit.

People need to be talked out of certain degrees, or learn how to research the job market and possibilities prior to starting a degree path. None of that is beneficial to a college though.
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