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Many thanks for your help although we are going around in circles a bit at
this stage: When you say "Go back to the original memory
configuration, installing pairs of SIMMs in adjacent SIMM sockets" it really
only repeats what I said in the message to which it was a response when I
said "revert to the [original] pair of SIMMS ........ was the first thing I
tried" I posted at that stage because I was baffled that it didnt restore
the signal bein gsent to the screen and wondered if this was anything to do
with the error message telling me that the system had been halted because I
had entered the incorrect password three times. But surely clearing the
password and reinstalling the original SIMMS would clear this problem and
restore SOMTHING to the screen? It seems there is nothing now to stop the
system POSTing?
I didnt dare change anything else on that block but did try to clear the
password AND reset the CMOS in the way you say. But all I am getting is
nothing being sent to the monitor by the computer. I will try the same
procedure again, AND try taking out the battery again with the power
disconnected again as well as with the power connected and see what happens.
"Licensed to Quill" <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:cgmos3$hdi$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> Yes, I figured that and did try to revert to the pair of SIMMS even if I
did
> actually put a single 32 MEG EDO ram:WHen it wouldnt POST, (after wrongly
> trying another single SIMM) that was the first thing I tried. WHenever I
> try a different SIMM configuration, it gives three beeps but at no stage
has
> it given me any output whatsoever from the SVGA output.
>
> The block itself is interesting and the lack of a convention for properly
> numbering the block is part of the problem, unless what I think is obvoius
> is really obvious (and the problem is elsewhere). It has the J1F2A
> identification marking ACROSS the very top, - I thought indicating that
the
> top few pins were the J1F2A pins. But there are about four sets of pins
on
> this single block with mysterious un-described identification markings on
> the right side of each set. So I thought I could merely use the top ones,
> trying jumpering (both to get the password cleared AND to get the CMOS
> reset) them with the battery in, with the battery out, with the power
> connected, with the power disconnected. Nothing causes the CMOS to reset.
I
> am wondering if I shoudl try to flash the BIOS (assuming there is a newer
> version out there, or possibly that it might let me flash even if there
> isn't a newer BIOS than the one installed).
>
> The manual says that installing a new video card disables all video
> functions of the motherboard which I suppose might assist something? I
have
> unfortunately got about five newer video cards in my New York office but
> none in London so I can't discount the slight possibility that there is a
> bad connection in the video card or something else wrong with the video
area
> caused by moving the computer to pop the top off the unit. there dont
SEEM
> to be any switches in the unit which would prevent the unit from POSTing
if
> the cover is off it. The connector is pretty well screwed into the plug
> hole so I don't think that there are any problems with the connector or
with
> pins mysteriously getting disconnected (a problem I have had before when I
> didnt screw in the screws in the plug)
>
> Licensed to Quill
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:412e735a.8462702@news.charter.net...
> > Without specs for the motherboard, I am somewhat at a loss. The board
is
> > clearly made by Intel for PB, judging by the convention for naming the
> jumpers.
> > Look closely at the markings on the board to see which is pin 1 on a
group
> of
> > pins.
> >
> > FYI, as stated on the PB web site, the board MUST have SIMMs installed
in
> > matched pairs. If you only put a single SIMM in, that is the cause of
the
> > non-boot problem. What happens if you revert back to the original PAIR
of
> > SIMMs.
> >
> > I probably have one of these 680 boards kicking around my warehouse,
along
> with
> > a few other odds and ends of boards for Pentium-class PB, IBM, and HP
> systems.
> >
> > ... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:58:19 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, that sounds like it: Something is preventing a signal coming out
of
> the
> > >computer but I strongly suspect that it is something to do with
changing
> the
> > >memory as the unit would POST until I simply put a 32Meg EDO ram chip
in
> it.
> > >THen I reverted to the original chip and nothing improved (this isn't a
> > >static electricity problem which caused the mobo to blow:Nor I suspect
is
> is
> > >a gigantic coincidence that the mobo died exactly when I put more ram
in
> > >it?).
> > >
> > >I found that by jumpering across J1F2A, pins 2 and 3 rather than 1 and
2
> I
> > >could disable the password. The trouble is that there are about 4 sets
of
> > >pins marked 1 and 2 as well as 2 and 3 on block J1F2A on the page
> > >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm. (and doing what I thought
was
> > >clearing the password and CMOS didn't have any effect on what did
> appear, -
> > >or in this case, didn't appear on the monitor)
> > >
> > >So I am wondering about jumpering to reset if taking the battery out
> didnt
> > >do anything. Do you happen to know which jumpers have to get set on
that
> > >block? Is it NOT the top ones?
> > >
> > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >news:412dd81e.1818679@news.charter.net...
> > >> Perhaps I'm missing something in the translation here. "Test
screen"?
> Is
> > >this
> > >> the built-in electronic display shown by a monitor when it is not
> > >receiving a
> > >> signal from the computer? If so, you are right. The test screen is
> > >evidence
> > >> that the computer itself is not working properly. The problem may be
> more
> > >> basic. If removing the battery does not clear the CMOS and enable
you
> to
> > >see
> > >> something (text, graphics, whatever) displayed from the computer,
then
> the
> > >> computer motherboard has a serious problem which is preventing it
from
> > >even
> > >> doing its initial Power On Self Test (POST). If this is the case,
> you'll
> > >need
> > >> to go through a detailed step-by-step diagnostic procedure to
determine
> > >why.
> > >>
> > >> ... Ben Myers
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:04:33 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at
present
> > >more
> > >> >basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test
> screen
> > >> >whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt
make
> > >any
> > >> >difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the
> monitor
> > >> >which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you
> correct
> > >> >the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is
> turned
> > >> >on. Nothing I can do changes that.
> > >> >
> > >> >Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power
> > >doesnt
> > >> >change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages
> > >indicating
> > >> >that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its
> memory
> > >> >despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
> > >> >
> > >> >I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has
> > >prevented
> > >> >the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me
a
> > >> >SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the
> > >monitor
> > >> >started) so I am experimenting with
> > >> >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
> > >> >
> > >> >Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the
A
> and
> > >B
> > >> >bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if
it
> is
> > >> >enough to run Windows
> > >> >
> > >> >Many thanks again
> > >> >
> > >> >Licensed to Quill
> > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >> >news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope
> for
> > >the
> > >> >> best... Ben Myers
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually
> trying
> > >to
> > >> >> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
> > >> >> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password
> > >situation
> > >> >> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into
> the
> > >> >other
> > >> >> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have
> lots
> > >of
> > >> >> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no
> identification
> > >on
> > >> >> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset)
> > >seemed
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer
from
> > >> >sending
> > >> >> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this
> > >probably
> > >> >> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Licensed to Quill
> > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
message
> > >> >> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium
> > >battery
> > >> >from
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to
reset
> the
> > >> >CMOS.
> > >> >> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the
> > >volatile
> > >> >> >CMOS
> > >> >> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't
> know
> > >if
> > >> >> >would
> > >> >> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install.
> > >72-pin
> > >> >SIMM
> > >> >> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept
> matched
> > >> >pairs
> > >> >> >of
> > >> >> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben
> Myers
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > >> >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which
> > >seems
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >use
> > >> >> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me
for
> > >> >> >passwords
> > >> >> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of
> this
> > >> >> >computer
> > >> >> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then
> > >flashing
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> >bios do this trick?)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into
> > >windows
> > >> >(I
> > >> >> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it
> shouldnt
> > >be
> > >> >> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into
> > >windows
> > >> >when
> > >> >> >in
> > >> >> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn
> off
> > >the
> > >> >> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test
> > >SIMMS
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >see
> > >> >> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory.
Later
> I
> > >may
> > >> >try
> > >> >> >to
> > >> >> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the
monitor
> in
> > >> >test
> > >> >> >mode
> > >> >> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to
centre
> it
> > >> >> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of
test
> > >mode
> > >> >or
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
> > >> >microswitch
> > >> >> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't
see?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >LtoQ
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