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Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 25, 2004 4:47:25 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems to use
a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for passwords
which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this computer
without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing the
bios do this trick?)

Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows (I
know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows when in
reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS to see
which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may try to
put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it

So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in test mode
in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.

Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode or the
computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a microswitch
somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?

LtoQ
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 25, 2004 11:12:13 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium battery from the
motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the CMOS.
Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the volatile CMOS
settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.

Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know if would
install at all. Better to find some more memory to install. 72-pin SIMM
memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched pairs of
SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems to use
>a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for passwords
>which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this computer
>without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing the
>bios do this trick?)
>
>Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows (I
>know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
>making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows when in
>reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
>computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS to see
>which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may try to
>put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
>
>So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in test mode
>in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
>properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
>
>Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode or the
>computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a microswitch
>somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
>
>LtoQ
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 25, 2004 11:12:14 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually trying to
install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password situation
would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.

I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into the other
slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have lots of
them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no identification on
them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset) seemed to
be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from sending
ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.

Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this probably
happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?

Licensed to Quill
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium battery from
the
> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the CMOS.
> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the volatile
CMOS
> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
>
> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know if
would
> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install. 72-pin SIMM
> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched pairs
of
> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems to
use
> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
passwords
> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
computer
> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing
the
> >bios do this trick?)
> >
> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows (I
> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows when
in
> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS to
see
> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may try
to
> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> >
> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in test
mode
> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> >
> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode or
the
> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a microswitch
> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
> >
> >LtoQ
> >
> >
>
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Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 26, 2004 4:12:35 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope for the
best... Ben Myers

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually trying to
>install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
>mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password situation
>would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
>
>I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into the other
>slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have lots of
>them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no identification on
>them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset) seemed to
>be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from sending
>ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
>
>Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this probably
>happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
>
>Licensed to Quill
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
>> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium battery from
>the
>> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the CMOS.
>> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the volatile
>CMOS
>> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
>>
>> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know if
>would
>> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install. 72-pin SIMM
>> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched pairs
>of
>> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems to
>use
>> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
>passwords
>> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
>computer
>> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing
>the
>> >bios do this trick?)
>> >
>> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows (I
>> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
>> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows when
>in
>> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
>> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS to
>see
>> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may try
>to
>> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
>> >
>> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in test
>mode
>> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
>> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
>> >
>> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode or
>the
>> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a microswitch
>> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
>> >
>> >LtoQ
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 26, 2004 6:04:33 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at present more
basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test screen
whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt make any
difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the monitor
which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you correct
the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is turned
on. Nothing I can do changes that.

Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power doesnt
change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages indicating
that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its memory
despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.

I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has prevented
the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me a
SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the monitor
started) so I am experimenting with
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.

Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the A and B
bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if it is
enough to run Windows

Many thanks again

Licensed to Quill
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope for the
> best... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually trying to
> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password situation
> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
> >
> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into the
other
> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have lots of
> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no identification on
> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset) seemed
to
> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from
sending
> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
> >
> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this probably
> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
> >
> >Licensed to Quill
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium battery
from
> >the
> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the
CMOS.
> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the volatile
> >CMOS
> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
> >>
> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know if
> >would
> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install. 72-pin
SIMM
> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched
pairs
> >of
> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems
to
> >use
> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
> >passwords
> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
> >computer
> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing
> >the
> >> >bios do this trick?)
> >> >
> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows
(I
> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows
when
> >in
> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS
to
> >see
> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may
try
> >to
> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> >> >
> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in
test
> >mode
> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode
or
> >the
> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
microswitch
> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
> >> >
> >> >LtoQ
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 26, 2004 3:58:28 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

"Licensed to Quill" <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:cgjujp$s60$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at present more
> basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test screen
> whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt make any
> difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the monitor
> which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you correct
> the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is turned
> on. Nothing I can do changes that.
>
> Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power
> doesnt
> change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages
> indicating
> that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its memory
> despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
>
> I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has
> prevented
> the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me a
> SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the monitor
> started) so I am experimenting with
> http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
>
> Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the A and
> B
> bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if it is
> enough to run Windows
>
> Many thanks again
>
> Licensed to Quill


Take the battery completely out for say 5 minutes. Then place it back in and
then turn the system on. It should display a system message about a low
battery warning just keep going. (Or better yet this is the time to change
to a fresh new battery)

You also need to re-enter the BIOS (DEL, F2, CTL-ALT-DEL, or some other key
combo to enter it.) Set the BIOS to default settings and then let the system
boot up. This may also cure the monitor problem. Usually when that type of
message occurs you either have a bad connection, a bad bios setting for the
monitor, a bent power cable to the monitor, a bend or misaligned pin out
from the monitor and there can be other reasons but I would check the
obvious first. Also check to make sure the power supply is set to the
correct voltage (110 or other settings for Europe) After the system is
booted up and the bios is accepted you then add the memory as Ben advised.
The more as he said the better.

I hope I helped?

Elector
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 26, 2004 4:35:24 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Perhaps I'm missing something in the translation here. "Test screen"? Is this
the built-in electronic display shown by a monitor when it is not receiving a
signal from the computer? If so, you are right. The test screen is evidence
that the computer itself is not working properly. The problem may be more
basic. If removing the battery does not clear the CMOS and enable you to see
something (text, graphics, whatever) displayed from the computer, then the
computer motherboard has a serious problem which is preventing it from even
doing its initial Power On Self Test (POST). If this is the case, you'll need
to go through a detailed step-by-step diagnostic procedure to determine why.

.... Ben Myers

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:04:33 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at present more
>basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test screen
>whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt make any
>difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the monitor
>which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you correct
>the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is turned
>on. Nothing I can do changes that.
>
>Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power doesnt
>change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages indicating
>that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its memory
>despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
>
>I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has prevented
>the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me a
>SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the monitor
>started) so I am experimenting with
>http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
>
>Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the A and B
>bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if it is
>enough to run Windows
>
>Many thanks again
>
>Licensed to Quill
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
>> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope for the
>> best... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually trying to
>> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
>> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password situation
>> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
>> >
>> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into the
>other
>> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have lots of
>> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no identification on
>> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset) seemed
>to
>> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from
>sending
>> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
>> >
>> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this probably
>> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
>> >
>> >Licensed to Quill
>> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
>> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium battery
>from
>> >the
>> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the
>CMOS.
>> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the volatile
>> >CMOS
>> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
>> >>
>> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know if
>> >would
>> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install. 72-pin
>SIMM
>> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched
>pairs
>> >of
>> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems
>to
>> >use
>> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
>> >passwords
>> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
>> >computer
>> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing
>> >the
>> >> >bios do this trick?)
>> >> >
>> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows
>(I
>> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
>> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows
>when
>> >in
>> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
>> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS
>to
>> >see
>> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may
>try
>> >to
>> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
>> >> >
>> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in
>test
>> >mode
>> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
>> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
>> >> >
>> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode
>or
>> >the
>> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
>microswitch
>> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
>> >> >
>> >> >LtoQ
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 26, 2004 10:58:19 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Yes, that sounds like it: Something is preventing a signal coming out of the
computer but I strongly suspect that it is something to do with changing the
memory as the unit would POST until I simply put a 32Meg EDO ram chip in it.
THen I reverted to the original chip and nothing improved (this isn't a
static electricity problem which caused the mobo to blow:Nor I suspect is is
a gigantic coincidence that the mobo died exactly when I put more ram in
it?).

I found that by jumpering across J1F2A, pins 2 and 3 rather than 1 and 2 I
could disable the password. The trouble is that there are about 4 sets of
pins marked 1 and 2 as well as 2 and 3 on block J1F2A on the page
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm. (and doing what I thought was
clearing the password and CMOS didn't have any effect on what did appear, -
or in this case, didn't appear on the monitor)

So I am wondering about jumpering to reset if taking the battery out didnt
do anything. Do you happen to know which jumpers have to get set on that
block? Is it NOT the top ones?

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:412dd81e.1818679@news.charter.net...
> Perhaps I'm missing something in the translation here. "Test screen"? Is
this
> the built-in electronic display shown by a monitor when it is not
receiving a
> signal from the computer? If so, you are right. The test screen is
evidence
> that the computer itself is not working properly. The problem may be more
> basic. If removing the battery does not clear the CMOS and enable you to
see
> something (text, graphics, whatever) displayed from the computer, then the
> computer motherboard has a serious problem which is preventing it from
even
> doing its initial Power On Self Test (POST). If this is the case, you'll
need
> to go through a detailed step-by-step diagnostic procedure to determine
why.
>
> ... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:04:33 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at present
more
> >basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test screen
> >whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt make
any
> >difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the monitor
> >which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you correct
> >the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is turned
> >on. Nothing I can do changes that.
> >
> >Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power
doesnt
> >change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages
indicating
> >that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its memory
> >despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
> >
> >I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has
prevented
> >the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me a
> >SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the
monitor
> >started) so I am experimenting with
> >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
> >
> >Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the A and
B
> >bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if it is
> >enough to run Windows
> >
> >Many thanks again
> >
> >Licensed to Quill
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
> >> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope for
the
> >> best... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually trying
to
> >> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
> >> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password
situation
> >> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
> >> >
> >> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into the
> >other
> >> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have lots
of
> >> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no identification
on
> >> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset)
seemed
> >to
> >> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from
> >sending
> >> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
> >> >
> >> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this
probably
> >> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
> >> >
> >> >Licensed to Quill
> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
> >> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium
battery
> >from
> >> >the
> >> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the
> >CMOS.
> >> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the
volatile
> >> >CMOS
> >> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
> >> >>
> >> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know
if
> >> >would
> >> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install.
72-pin
> >SIMM
> >> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched
> >pairs
> >> >of
> >> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which
seems
> >to
> >> >use
> >> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
> >> >passwords
> >> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
> >> >computer
> >> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then
flashing
> >> >the
> >> >> >bios do this trick?)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into
windows
> >(I
> >> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt
be
> >> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into
windows
> >when
> >> >in
> >> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off
the
> >> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test
SIMMS
> >to
> >> >see
> >> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I
may
> >try
> >> >to
> >> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in
> >test
> >> >mode
> >> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
> >> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test
mode
> >or
> >> >the
> >> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
> >microswitch
> >> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LtoQ
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 27, 2004 3:37:18 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Without specs for the motherboard, I am somewhat at a loss. The board is
clearly made by Intel for PB, judging by the convention for naming the jumpers.
Look closely at the markings on the board to see which is pin 1 on a group of
pins.

FYI, as stated on the PB web site, the board MUST have SIMMs installed in
matched pairs. If you only put a single SIMM in, that is the cause of the
non-boot problem. What happens if you revert back to the original PAIR of
SIMMs.

I probably have one of these 680 boards kicking around my warehouse, along with
a few other odds and ends of boards for Pentium-class PB, IBM, and HP systems.

.... Ben Myers

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:58:19 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>Yes, that sounds like it: Something is preventing a signal coming out of the
>computer but I strongly suspect that it is something to do with changing the
>memory as the unit would POST until I simply put a 32Meg EDO ram chip in it.
>THen I reverted to the original chip and nothing improved (this isn't a
>static electricity problem which caused the mobo to blow:Nor I suspect is is
>a gigantic coincidence that the mobo died exactly when I put more ram in
>it?).
>
>I found that by jumpering across J1F2A, pins 2 and 3 rather than 1 and 2 I
>could disable the password. The trouble is that there are about 4 sets of
>pins marked 1 and 2 as well as 2 and 3 on block J1F2A on the page
>http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm. (and doing what I thought was
>clearing the password and CMOS didn't have any effect on what did appear, -
>or in this case, didn't appear on the monitor)
>
>So I am wondering about jumpering to reset if taking the battery out didnt
>do anything. Do you happen to know which jumpers have to get set on that
>block? Is it NOT the top ones?
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:412dd81e.1818679@news.charter.net...
>> Perhaps I'm missing something in the translation here. "Test screen"? Is
>this
>> the built-in electronic display shown by a monitor when it is not
>receiving a
>> signal from the computer? If so, you are right. The test screen is
>evidence
>> that the computer itself is not working properly. The problem may be more
>> basic. If removing the battery does not clear the CMOS and enable you to
>see
>> something (text, graphics, whatever) displayed from the computer, then the
>> computer motherboard has a serious problem which is preventing it from
>even
>> doing its initial Power On Self Test (POST). If this is the case, you'll
>need
>> to go through a detailed step-by-step diagnostic procedure to determine
>why.
>>
>> ... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:04:33 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at present
>more
>> >basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test screen
>> >whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt make
>any
>> >difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the monitor
>> >which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you correct
>> >the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is turned
>> >on. Nothing I can do changes that.
>> >
>> >Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power
>doesnt
>> >change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages
>indicating
>> >that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its memory
>> >despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
>> >
>> >I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has
>prevented
>> >the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me a
>> >SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the
>monitor
>> >started) so I am experimenting with
>> >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
>> >
>> >Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the A and
>B
>> >bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if it is
>> >enough to run Windows
>> >
>> >Many thanks again
>> >
>> >Licensed to Quill
>> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
>> >> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope for
>the
>> >> best... Ben Myers
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually trying
>to
>> >> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
>> >> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password
>situation
>> >> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
>> >> >
>> >> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into the
>> >other
>> >> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have lots
>of
>> >> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no identification
>on
>> >> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset)
>seemed
>> >to
>> >> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from
>> >sending
>> >> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
>> >> >
>> >> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this
>probably
>> >> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
>> >> >
>> >> >Licensed to Quill
>> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
>> >> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium
>battery
>> >from
>> >> >the
>> >> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset the
>> >CMOS.
>> >> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the
>volatile
>> >> >CMOS
>> >> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't know
>if
>> >> >would
>> >> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install.
>72-pin
>> >SIMM
>> >> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept matched
>> >pairs
>> >> >of
>> >> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben Myers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which
>seems
>> >to
>> >> >use
>> >> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
>> >> >passwords
>> >> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
>> >> >computer
>> >> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then
>flashing
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >bios do this trick?)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into
>windows
>> >(I
>> >> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt
>be
>> >> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into
>windows
>> >when
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off
>the
>> >> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test
>SIMMS
>> >to
>> >> >see
>> >> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I
>may
>> >try
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in
>> >test
>> >> >mode
>> >> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
>> >> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test
>mode
>> >or
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
>> >microswitch
>> >> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >LtoQ
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 27, 2004 7:45:02 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Yes, I figured that and did try to revert to the pair of SIMMS even if I did
actually put a single 32 MEG EDO ram:WHen it wouldnt POST, (after wrongly
trying another single SIMM) that was the first thing I tried. WHenever I
try a different SIMM configuration, it gives three beeps but at no stage has
it given me any output whatsoever from the SVGA output.

The block itself is interesting and the lack of a convention for properly
numbering the block is part of the problem, unless what I think is obvoius
is really obvious (and the problem is elsewhere). It has the J1F2A
identification marking ACROSS the very top, - I thought indicating that the
top few pins were the J1F2A pins. But there are about four sets of pins on
this single block with mysterious un-described identification markings on
the right side of each set. So I thought I could merely use the top ones,
trying jumpering (both to get the password cleared AND to get the CMOS
reset) them with the battery in, with the battery out, with the power
connected, with the power disconnected. Nothing causes the CMOS to reset. I
am wondering if I shoudl try to flash the BIOS (assuming there is a newer
version out there, or possibly that it might let me flash even if there
isn't a newer BIOS than the one installed).

The manual says that installing a new video card disables all video
functions of the motherboard which I suppose might assist something? I have
unfortunately got about five newer video cards in my New York office but
none in London so I can't discount the slight possibility that there is a
bad connection in the video card or something else wrong with the video area
caused by moving the computer to pop the top off the unit. there dont SEEM
to be any switches in the unit which would prevent the unit from POSTing if
the cover is off it. The connector is pretty well screwed into the plug
hole so I don't think that there are any problems with the connector or with
pins mysteriously getting disconnected (a problem I have had before when I
didnt screw in the screws in the plug)

Licensed to Quill
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:412e735a.8462702@news.charter.net...
> Without specs for the motherboard, I am somewhat at a loss. The board is
> clearly made by Intel for PB, judging by the convention for naming the
jumpers.
> Look closely at the markings on the board to see which is pin 1 on a group
of
> pins.
>
> FYI, as stated on the PB web site, the board MUST have SIMMs installed in
> matched pairs. If you only put a single SIMM in, that is the cause of the
> non-boot problem. What happens if you revert back to the original PAIR of
> SIMMs.
>
> I probably have one of these 680 boards kicking around my warehouse, along
with
> a few other odds and ends of boards for Pentium-class PB, IBM, and HP
systems.
>
> ... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:58:19 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes, that sounds like it: Something is preventing a signal coming out of
the
> >computer but I strongly suspect that it is something to do with changing
the
> >memory as the unit would POST until I simply put a 32Meg EDO ram chip in
it.
> >THen I reverted to the original chip and nothing improved (this isn't a
> >static electricity problem which caused the mobo to blow:Nor I suspect is
is
> >a gigantic coincidence that the mobo died exactly when I put more ram in
> >it?).
> >
> >I found that by jumpering across J1F2A, pins 2 and 3 rather than 1 and 2
I
> >could disable the password. The trouble is that there are about 4 sets of
> >pins marked 1 and 2 as well as 2 and 3 on block J1F2A on the page
> >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm. (and doing what I thought was
> >clearing the password and CMOS didn't have any effect on what did
appear, -
> >or in this case, didn't appear on the monitor)
> >
> >So I am wondering about jumpering to reset if taking the battery out
didnt
> >do anything. Do you happen to know which jumpers have to get set on that
> >block? Is it NOT the top ones?
> >
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:412dd81e.1818679@news.charter.net...
> >> Perhaps I'm missing something in the translation here. "Test screen"?
Is
> >this
> >> the built-in electronic display shown by a monitor when it is not
> >receiving a
> >> signal from the computer? If so, you are right. The test screen is
> >evidence
> >> that the computer itself is not working properly. The problem may be
more
> >> basic. If removing the battery does not clear the CMOS and enable you
to
> >see
> >> something (text, graphics, whatever) displayed from the computer, then
the
> >> computer motherboard has a serious problem which is preventing it from
> >even
> >> doing its initial Power On Self Test (POST). If this is the case,
you'll
> >need
> >> to go through a detailed step-by-step diagnostic procedure to determine
> >why.
> >>
> >> ... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:04:33 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at present
> >more
> >> >basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test
screen
> >> >whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt make
> >any
> >> >difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the
monitor
> >> >which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you
correct
> >> >the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is
turned
> >> >on. Nothing I can do changes that.
> >> >
> >> >Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power
> >doesnt
> >> >change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages
> >indicating
> >> >that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its
memory
> >> >despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
> >> >
> >> >I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has
> >prevented
> >> >the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me a
> >> >SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the
> >monitor
> >> >started) so I am experimenting with
> >> >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
> >> >
> >> >Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the A
and
> >B
> >> >bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if it
is
> >> >enough to run Windows
> >> >
> >> >Many thanks again
> >> >
> >> >Licensed to Quill
> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
> >> >> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope
for
> >the
> >> >> best... Ben Myers
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually
trying
> >to
> >> >> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
> >> >> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password
> >situation
> >> >> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into
the
> >> >other
> >> >> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have
lots
> >of
> >> >> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no
identification
> >on
> >> >> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset)
> >seemed
> >> >to
> >> >> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer from
> >> >sending
> >> >> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this
> >probably
> >> >> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Licensed to Quill
> >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
> >> >> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium
> >battery
> >> >from
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to reset
the
> >> >CMOS.
> >> >> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the
> >volatile
> >> >> >CMOS
> >> >> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't
know
> >if
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install.
> >72-pin
> >> >SIMM
> >> >> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept
matched
> >> >pairs
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben
Myers
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which
> >seems
> >> >to
> >> >> >use
> >> >> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
> >> >> >passwords
> >> >> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of
this
> >> >> >computer
> >> >> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then
> >flashing
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >bios do this trick?)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into
> >windows
> >> >(I
> >> >> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it
shouldnt
> >be
> >> >> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into
> >windows
> >> >when
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn
off
> >the
> >> >> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test
> >SIMMS
> >> >to
> >> >> >see
> >> >> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later
I
> >may
> >> >try
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor
in
> >> >test
> >> >> >mode
> >> >> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre
it
> >> >> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test
> >mode
> >> >or
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
> >> >microswitch
> >> >> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >LtoQ
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 27, 2004 4:30:21 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

The PB680 motherboard is an Intel-made NV430VX, for which technical specs may
still be available on the Intel web site. If it is still there, it would be in
the archive of documents for older motherboards. The Intel web site is pretty
easy to navigate.

From the tech spec:

The three beeps when the system powers up indicate a "Base 64K memory failure",
or failure of memory in the low 64K of memory to work properly. In short, you
have installed SIMM memory which is incompatible with the motherboard (e.g. not
a matched pair or too slow for the system) or simply defective. It is possible
that the memory is not inserted correctly in the SIMM sockets, which would make
for a defective installation of memory.

The configuration jumpers at J1F2 are arranged in four groups of 6 pins each,
and labelled A, B, C, & D. Pin 1 of J1F2-A is the right most pin nearest to you
if you are looking inside the chassis from the front.

J1F2-A with pins 4-5 jumpered keep the motherboard CMOS settings as they are,
whilst pins 5-6 clears CMOS.
J1F2-A pins 1-2 enable a BIOS password, to be avoided. Pins 2-3 clear any BIOS
password and disable its use in the BIOS.

You should not have changed ANY other jumpers in the J1F2 group or the jumpers
at J9A1 without access to the complete technical spec and a decent understanding
of what these jumpers do.

In short, you may well have installed defective memory or installed it
improperly to begin with. In so doing, you may also have damaged the
motherboard in some way. Time will tell. Go back to the original memory
configuration, installing pairs of SIMMs in adjacent SIMM sockets. Each pair of
adjacent SIMM sockets is called a "bank". The board will operate properly if a
matched pair of SIMMs is installed in EITHER bank. Try a pair in each bank and
see what happens... Ben Myers

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems to use
>a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for passwords
>which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this computer
>without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing the
>bios do this trick?)
>
>Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows (I
>know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
>making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows when in
>reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
>computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS to see
>which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may try to
>put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
>
>So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in test mode
>in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
>properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
>
>Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode or the
>computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a microswitch
>somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
>
>LtoQ
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 27, 2004 5:42:50 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Many thanks for your help although we are going around in circles a bit at
this stage: When you say "Go back to the original memory
configuration, installing pairs of SIMMs in adjacent SIMM sockets" it really
only repeats what I said in the message to which it was a response when I
said "revert to the [original] pair of SIMMS ........ was the first thing I
tried" I posted at that stage because I was baffled that it didnt restore
the signal bein gsent to the screen and wondered if this was anything to do
with the error message telling me that the system had been halted because I
had entered the incorrect password three times. But surely clearing the
password and reinstalling the original SIMMS would clear this problem and
restore SOMTHING to the screen? It seems there is nothing now to stop the
system POSTing?

I didnt dare change anything else on that block but did try to clear the
password AND reset the CMOS in the way you say. But all I am getting is
nothing being sent to the monitor by the computer. I will try the same
procedure again, AND try taking out the battery again with the power
disconnected again as well as with the power connected and see what happens.


"Licensed to Quill" <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:cgmos3$hdi$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> Yes, I figured that and did try to revert to the pair of SIMMS even if I
did
> actually put a single 32 MEG EDO ram:WHen it wouldnt POST, (after wrongly
> trying another single SIMM) that was the first thing I tried. WHenever I
> try a different SIMM configuration, it gives three beeps but at no stage
has
> it given me any output whatsoever from the SVGA output.
>
> The block itself is interesting and the lack of a convention for properly
> numbering the block is part of the problem, unless what I think is obvoius
> is really obvious (and the problem is elsewhere). It has the J1F2A
> identification marking ACROSS the very top, - I thought indicating that
the
> top few pins were the J1F2A pins. But there are about four sets of pins
on
> this single block with mysterious un-described identification markings on
> the right side of each set. So I thought I could merely use the top ones,
> trying jumpering (both to get the password cleared AND to get the CMOS
> reset) them with the battery in, with the battery out, with the power
> connected, with the power disconnected. Nothing causes the CMOS to reset.
I
> am wondering if I shoudl try to flash the BIOS (assuming there is a newer
> version out there, or possibly that it might let me flash even if there
> isn't a newer BIOS than the one installed).
>
> The manual says that installing a new video card disables all video
> functions of the motherboard which I suppose might assist something? I
have
> unfortunately got about five newer video cards in my New York office but
> none in London so I can't discount the slight possibility that there is a
> bad connection in the video card or something else wrong with the video
area
> caused by moving the computer to pop the top off the unit. there dont
SEEM
> to be any switches in the unit which would prevent the unit from POSTing
if
> the cover is off it. The connector is pretty well screwed into the plug
> hole so I don't think that there are any problems with the connector or
with
> pins mysteriously getting disconnected (a problem I have had before when I
> didnt screw in the screws in the plug)
>
> Licensed to Quill
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:412e735a.8462702@news.charter.net...
> > Without specs for the motherboard, I am somewhat at a loss. The board
is
> > clearly made by Intel for PB, judging by the convention for naming the
> jumpers.
> > Look closely at the markings on the board to see which is pin 1 on a
group
> of
> > pins.
> >
> > FYI, as stated on the PB web site, the board MUST have SIMMs installed
in
> > matched pairs. If you only put a single SIMM in, that is the cause of
the
> > non-boot problem. What happens if you revert back to the original PAIR
of
> > SIMMs.
> >
> > I probably have one of these 680 boards kicking around my warehouse,
along
> with
> > a few other odds and ends of boards for Pentium-class PB, IBM, and HP
> systems.
> >
> > ... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:58:19 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, that sounds like it: Something is preventing a signal coming out
of
> the
> > >computer but I strongly suspect that it is something to do with
changing
> the
> > >memory as the unit would POST until I simply put a 32Meg EDO ram chip
in
> it.
> > >THen I reverted to the original chip and nothing improved (this isn't a
> > >static electricity problem which caused the mobo to blow:Nor I suspect
is
> is
> > >a gigantic coincidence that the mobo died exactly when I put more ram
in
> > >it?).
> > >
> > >I found that by jumpering across J1F2A, pins 2 and 3 rather than 1 and
2
> I
> > >could disable the password. The trouble is that there are about 4 sets
of
> > >pins marked 1 and 2 as well as 2 and 3 on block J1F2A on the page
> > >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm. (and doing what I thought
was
> > >clearing the password and CMOS didn't have any effect on what did
> appear, -
> > >or in this case, didn't appear on the monitor)
> > >
> > >So I am wondering about jumpering to reset if taking the battery out
> didnt
> > >do anything. Do you happen to know which jumpers have to get set on
that
> > >block? Is it NOT the top ones?
> > >
> > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >news:412dd81e.1818679@news.charter.net...
> > >> Perhaps I'm missing something in the translation here. "Test
screen"?
> Is
> > >this
> > >> the built-in electronic display shown by a monitor when it is not
> > >receiving a
> > >> signal from the computer? If so, you are right. The test screen is
> > >evidence
> > >> that the computer itself is not working properly. The problem may be
> more
> > >> basic. If removing the battery does not clear the CMOS and enable
you
> to
> > >see
> > >> something (text, graphics, whatever) displayed from the computer,
then
> the
> > >> computer motherboard has a serious problem which is preventing it
from
> > >even
> > >> doing its initial Power On Self Test (POST). If this is the case,
> you'll
> > >need
> > >> to go through a detailed step-by-step diagnostic procedure to
determine
> > >why.
> > >>
> > >> ... Ben Myers
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:04:33 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Thank you for your response Ben but I think the problem is at
present
> > >more
> > >> >basic than that: When I turn the monitor on, it gives me the test
> screen
> > >> >whether the computer is on or not. Turning the computer on doesnt
make
> > >any
> > >> >difference: You just don't nsee any signal being accepted by the
> monitor
> > >> >which (as I say) seems to be in some sort of test mode to let you
> correct
> > >> >the positioning of the picture on the screen from the moment it is
> turned
> > >> >on. Nothing I can do changes that.
> > >> >
> > >> >Taking the battery our for a few minutes and disconnecting the power
> > >doesnt
> > >> >change this either AND I didnt get any invalid checksum messages
> > >indicating
> > >> >that the battery hadn't enough power in it to hold its data in its
> memory
> > >> >despite this computer having been unplugged for a year and a half.
> > >> >
> > >> >I am wondering if the failure to enter a password three times has
> > >prevented
> > >> >the computer from sending any signal to the monitor? (It did give me
a
> > >> >SYSTEM STOPPED message which SEEMS to be when the problem with the
> > >monitor
> > >> >started) so I am experimenting with
> > >> >http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm.
> > >> >
> > >> >Then I will experiment with putting two similar 32 meg chips in the
A
> and
> > >B
> > >> >bank slots and two similar 8 Meg SIMMS in slots C and D and see if
it
> is
> > >> >enough to run Windows
> > >> >
> > >> >Many thanks again
> > >> >
> > >> >Licensed to Quill
> > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >> >news:412d2abc.13905950@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> Remove the battery or set the jumpers to clear the CMOS, and hope
> for
> > >the
> > >> >> best... Ben Myers
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Many thanks Ben: That was what I needed to know: I was actually
> trying
> > >to
> > >> >> >install some 32 MEG simms when the computer (meaning the monitor)
> > >> >> >mysteriously went into test mode and I wondered if the password
> > >situation
> > >> >> >would be impeding it from going back into normal mode.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I thought I could put two 32 Meg simms in and a few 16 Simms into
> the
> > >> >other
> > >> >> >slots if I couldn't find any more 32s in my SIMM stock. (I have
> lots
> > >of
> > >> >> >them but most of them are probably 8 Meg ones with no
> identification
> > >on
> > >> >> >them) But as I say, the password (which sometimes cant be reset)
> > >seemed
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >be preventing me from doing anything and stopping the computer
from
> > >> >sending
> > >> >> >ANYTHING to the monitor keeping it in what looks like test mode.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Would you happen to know how I get out of test mode or will this
> > >probably
> > >> >> >happen when I remove the battery or jumper it to reset?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Licensed to Quill
> > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
message
> > >> >> >news:412ce3ac.20265862@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> >> To remove a BIOS password, either remove the C2032 3v lithium
> > >battery
> > >> >from
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> motherboard for a while, or find the motherboard jumper to
reset
> the
> > >> >CMOS.
> > >> >> >> Either one will remove the BIOS password by simply causing the
> > >volatile
> > >> >> >CMOS
> > >> >> >> settings to lose their charge and become corrupted.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Windows 95 will barely run at all in 16MB of memory. I don't
> know
> > >if
> > >> >> >would
> > >> >> >> install at all. Better to find some more memory to install.
> > >72-pin
> > >> >SIMM
> > >> >> >> memory is dirt cheap now. The 680 motherboard will accept
> matched
> > >> >pairs
> > >> >> >of
> > >> >> >> SIMMs in 4, 8, 16, and 32MB capacities. More is better... Ben
> Myers
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> > >> >> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which
> > >seems
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >use
> > >> >> >> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me
for
> > >> >> >passwords
> > >> >> >> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of
> this
> > >> >> >computer
> > >> >> >> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then
> > >flashing
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> >bios do this trick?)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into
> > >windows
> > >> >(I
> > >> >> >> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it
> shouldnt
> > >be
> > >> >> >> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into
> > >windows
> > >> >when
> > >> >> >in
> > >> >> >> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn
> off
> > >the
> > >> >> >> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test
> > >SIMMS
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >see
> > >> >> >> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory.
Later
> I
> > >may
> > >> >try
> > >> >> >to
> > >> >> >> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the
monitor
> in
> > >> >test
> > >> >> >mode
> > >> >> >> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to
centre
> it
> > >> >> >> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of
test
> > >mode
> > >> >or
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a
> > >> >microswitch
> > >> >> >> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't
see?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >LtoQ
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 28, 2004 11:27:29 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Hi Ben

You were right: Where it says the identification of the block ISN'T the
place where you set the CMOS. That is bank D and when I set bank A as you
suggested, all started coming alive.

But curiously the original memory still gives three beeps. So I took it out
and put in two 32 meg EDO chips which resulted in a proper boot. So I put in
the two original 8 meg chips (at least I thought they were 8 meg SIMMS as
they registered 16 Meg when I originally started the system and now hey
presto!! it reads 32 Meg.

Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in there
but which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE in?
Is this something to do with the other B C or D blocks which make it read
the memory slots properly?

Could it be something to do with flahsing the BIOS? The trouble is that the
BIOS in there is an Amibios 1.00.11DNOR whereas the serial number identifies
it as a Pulsar 19 and any Pulsar According to the PB site
http://support.packardbell.com/uk/mypc/index.php?PibIte...
should have an Apollo, or a Luna or a Bora Pro or some Athena or Phoenix
BIOS??

Do you think I can replace my AMI with one of these to cure these problems?
Sounds like an incredibly risky stratiegy to me as you can't back up a BIOS
and reinstall it??

Licensed to Quill
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:412f2613.3136535@news.charter.net...
> The PB680 motherboard is an Intel-made NV430VX, for which technical specs
may
> still be available on the Intel web site. If it is still there, it would
be in
> the archive of documents for older motherboards. The Intel web site is
pretty
> easy to navigate.
>
> From the tech spec:
>
> The three beeps when the system powers up indicate a "Base 64K memory
failure",
> or failure of memory in the low 64K of memory to work properly. In short,
you
> have installed SIMM memory which is incompatible with the motherboard
(e.g. not
> a matched pair or too slow for the system) or simply defective. It is
possible
> that the memory is not inserted correctly in the SIMM sockets, which would
make
> for a defective installation of memory.
>
> The configuration jumpers at J1F2 are arranged in four groups of 6 pins
each,
> and labelled A, B, C, & D. Pin 1 of J1F2-A is the right most pin nearest
to you
> if you are looking inside the chassis from the front.
>
> J1F2-A with pins 4-5 jumpered keep the motherboard CMOS settings as they
are,
> whilst pins 5-6 clears CMOS.
> J1F2-A pins 1-2 enable a BIOS password, to be avoided. Pins 2-3 clear any
BIOS
> password and disable its use in the BIOS.
>
> You should not have changed ANY other jumpers in the J1F2 group or the
jumpers
> at J9A1 without access to the complete technical spec and a decent
understanding
> of what these jumpers do.
>
> In short, you may well have installed defective memory or installed it
> improperly to begin with. In so doing, you may also have damaged the
> motherboard in some way. Time will tell. Go back to the original memory
> configuration, installing pairs of SIMMs in adjacent SIMM sockets. Each
pair of
> adjacent SIMM sockets is called a "bank". The board will operate properly
if a
> matched pair of SIMMs is installed in EITHER bank. Try a pair in each
bank and
> see what happens... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:47:25 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >I have a Pulsar (I think it is an S?)called a multimedia which seems to
use
> >a 680 motherboard. I was testing it and it started asking me for
passwords
> >which I dont know: Does anyone know how I get into the BIOS of this
computer
> >without knowing the password? (or would downloading and then flashing
the
> >bios do this trick?)
> >
> >Then it started not seeming to mind this but wouldnt go into windows (I
> >know that there is only 16 Meg RAM in this computer but it shouldnt be
> >making the computer continuously LOOK as if it is going into windows when
in
> >reality it is only preparing to tell me that it is OK to turn off the
> >computer now). All I am trying to do at this stage is to test SIMMS to
see
> >which ones it will take and thereby increase the memory. Later I may try
to
> >put another drive in it as a slave and put the swap file on it
> >
> >So I took the top off and suddenly it will only put the monitor in test
mode
> >in which I can move a black and white screen around, - to centre it
> >properly, - but no signal seems to get sent to the monitor.
> >
> >Does anyone also know how to get either the monitor out of test mode or
the
> >computer to start sending a signal to the monitor? IS there a microswitch
> >somethere between the cover and the computer which I can't see?
> >
> >LtoQ
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 29, 2004 5:42:53 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

"Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in there but
which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE in?" Not
sure if you mis-stated with THREE SIMMS, but the motherboard works only with
matched pairs of SIMMs. That is a rule almost inviolate with Pentium class
motherboards and 72-pin SIMMs.

Don't flash the BIOS. Your motherboard has the latest and last BIOS. Altho
I've flashed the BIOS in maybe thousands of motherboards over the years, I still
think it is a risky procedure. Perhaps more risky for you than for me.

Packard Bell was notoriously sloppy with its bill-of-materials in the assembly
of computers, and also with the myriad of names on the front, Pulsars, Legends,
etc. It is no wonder that there is conflicting information about the
motherboard inside your system. Ignore what you see elsewhere. You KNOW what
you've got there, very pragmatically.

FInally, download the spec for the motherboard. It has good solid detailed
inforamtion, a hallmark of Intel-designed motherboards... Ben Myers

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:27:29 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>Hi Ben
>
>You were right: Where it says the identification of the block ISN'T the
>place where you set the CMOS. That is bank D and when I set bank A as you
>suggested, all started coming alive.
>
>But curiously the original memory still gives three beeps. So I took it out
>and put in two 32 meg EDO chips which resulted in a proper boot. So I put in
>the two original 8 meg chips (at least I thought they were 8 meg SIMMS as
>they registered 16 Meg when I originally started the system and now hey
>presto!! it reads 32 Meg.
>
>Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in there
>but which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE in?
>Is this something to do with the other B C or D blocks which make it read
>the memory slots properly?
>
>Could it be something to do with flahsing the BIOS? The trouble is that the
>BIOS in there is an Amibios 1.00.11DNOR whereas the serial number identifies
>it as a Pulsar 19 and any Pulsar According to the PB site
>http://support.packardbell.com/uk/mypc/index.php?PibIte...
>should have an Apollo, or a Luna or a Bora Pro or some Athena or Phoenix
>BIOS??
>
>Do you think I can replace my AMI with one of these to cure these problems?
>Sounds like an incredibly risky stratiegy to me as you can't back up a BIOS
>and reinstall it??
>
>Licensed to Quill
>
<SNIP!>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 29, 2004 9:15:12 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

OK I will download the spec from the Intel site as there doesn't seem to be
sufficient detail on the PB site which I mentioned. And if the BIOS is the
latest, there must be some other reason for the system not seeing the memory
which SEEMS to be inserted properly in the slots (and if it wasnt, surely I
would hear beeps??)

WHat is peculiar is that everyone seems to think that a 233 MHZ can't EASILY
be put in a PB 680 mother board.

There is something else wrong in that when (even identifying only 16 Meg of
memory) the unit tries to get into Windows it starts giving error messages
telling me that it cant find certain files it needs to start windows and I
need to reinstall windows. WHich I dont necessarily believe but wonder if
there is any program I can use to correct this? If I can get into windows,
perhaps I can see howmuch memory is installed

I also have a drive with a working windows installation which works iwth a
Dell Dimension XPa 233 which wont even start or bring up an initial windows
splash screen on this PB. The drive works unbelievably slowly and I cant
beleive all this results from installation with a wrong chipset

BW
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:413132d3.11004699@news.charter.net...
> "Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in
there but
> which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE in?"
Not
> sure if you mis-stated with THREE SIMMS, but the motherboard works only
with
> matched pairs of SIMMs. That is a rule almost inviolate with Pentium
class
> motherboards and 72-pin SIMMs.
>
> Don't flash the BIOS. Your motherboard has the latest and last BIOS.
Altho
> I've flashed the BIOS in maybe thousands of motherboards over the years, I
still
> think it is a risky procedure. Perhaps more risky for you than for me.
>
> Packard Bell was notoriously sloppy with its bill-of-materials in the
assembly
> of computers, and also with the myriad of names on the front, Pulsars,
Legends,
> etc. It is no wonder that there is conflicting information about the
> motherboard inside your system. Ignore what you see elsewhere. You KNOW
what
> you've got there, very pragmatically.
>
> FInally, download the spec for the motherboard. It has good solid
detailed
> inforamtion, a hallmark of Intel-designed motherboards... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:27:29 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Ben
> >
> >You were right: Where it says the identification of the block ISN'T the
> >place where you set the CMOS. That is bank D and when I set bank A as you
> >suggested, all started coming alive.
> >
> >But curiously the original memory still gives three beeps. So I took it
out
> >and put in two 32 meg EDO chips which resulted in a proper boot. So I put
in
> >the two original 8 meg chips (at least I thought they were 8 meg SIMMS as
> >they registered 16 Meg when I originally started the system and now hey
> >presto!! it reads 32 Meg.
> >
> >Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in
there
> >but which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE
in?
> >Is this something to do with the other B C or D blocks which make it read
> >the memory slots properly?
> >
> >Could it be something to do with flahsing the BIOS? The trouble is that
the
> >BIOS in there is an Amibios 1.00.11DNOR whereas the serial number
identifies
> >it as a Pulsar 19 and any Pulsar According to the PB site
>
>http://support.packardbell.com/uk/mypc/index.php?PibIte...
ymultimedia&PibLinkGroup=2000#show
> >should have an Apollo, or a Luna or a Bora Pro or some Athena or Phoenix
> >BIOS??
> >
> >Do you think I can replace my AMI with one of these to cure these
problems?
> >Sounds like an incredibly risky stratiegy to me as you can't back up a
BIOS
> >and reinstall it??
> >
> >Licensed to Quill
> >
> <SNIP!>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 30, 2004 8:05:05 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

The Intel spec for the NV430VX states that the board supports the Pentium MMX
processors. To install a 233MHz MMX and get it to run at its rated speed,
simply set the jumpers as tho the CPU was a 100MHz classic Pentium. This may
sound strange, but, trust me, it works.

If the system is not seeing the proper amount of memory, a BIOS update will not
change this one whit. If it is not seeing the right amount of memory, either
the memory is defective, or one or more SIMM sockets are defective or dirty, or
the memory is does not meet the requirements of the motherboard.

If the memory is somehow incorrect for the motherboard, all manner of error
messages and failures can ensue. Get the memory right, then worry about the
rest, including another CPU. Download MEMTEST-86 from the memtest web site, and
run MEMTEST-86 to ensure that the memory setup is OK. MEMTEST-86 is perhaps the
best all-round memory diagnostic, and it is a free download. If the computer
runs several complete cycles of memory tests with MEMTEST-86, then the memory is
OK. One error as indicated by MEMTEST-86 implies that the memory is not right
for the computer... Ben Myers

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:15:12 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
<vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:

>OK I will download the spec from the Intel site as there doesn't seem to be
>sufficient detail on the PB site which I mentioned. And if the BIOS is the
>latest, there must be some other reason for the system not seeing the memory
>which SEEMS to be inserted properly in the slots (and if it wasnt, surely I
>would hear beeps??)
>
>WHat is peculiar is that everyone seems to think that a 233 MHZ can't EASILY
>be put in a PB 680 mother board.
>
>There is something else wrong in that when (even identifying only 16 Meg of
>memory) the unit tries to get into Windows it starts giving error messages
>telling me that it cant find certain files it needs to start windows and I
>need to reinstall windows. WHich I dont necessarily believe but wonder if
>there is any program I can use to correct this? If I can get into windows,
>perhaps I can see howmuch memory is installed
>
>I also have a drive with a working windows installation which works iwth a
>Dell Dimension XPa 233 which wont even start or bring up an initial windows
>splash screen on this PB. The drive works unbelievably slowly and I cant
>beleive all this results from installation with a wrong chipset
>
>BW
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:413132d3.11004699@news.charter.net...
>> "Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in
>there but
>> which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE in?"
>Not
>> sure if you mis-stated with THREE SIMMS, but the motherboard works only
>with
>> matched pairs of SIMMs. That is a rule almost inviolate with Pentium
>class
>> motherboards and 72-pin SIMMs.
>>
>> Don't flash the BIOS. Your motherboard has the latest and last BIOS.
>Altho
>> I've flashed the BIOS in maybe thousands of motherboards over the years, I
>still
>> think it is a risky procedure. Perhaps more risky for you than for me.
>>
>> Packard Bell was notoriously sloppy with its bill-of-materials in the
>assembly
>> of computers, and also with the myriad of names on the front, Pulsars,
>Legends,
>> etc. It is no wonder that there is conflicting information about the
>> motherboard inside your system. Ignore what you see elsewhere. You KNOW
>what
>> you've got there, very pragmatically.
>>
>> FInally, download the spec for the motherboard. It has good solid
>detailed
>> inforamtion, a hallmark of Intel-designed motherboards... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:27:29 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
>> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Ben
>> >
>> >You were right: Where it says the identification of the block ISN'T the
>> >place where you set the CMOS. That is bank D and when I set bank A as you
>> >suggested, all started coming alive.
>> >
>> >But curiously the original memory still gives three beeps. So I took it
>out
>> >and put in two 32 meg EDO chips which resulted in a proper boot. So I put
>in
>> >the two original 8 meg chips (at least I thought they were 8 meg SIMMS as
>> >they registered 16 Meg when I originally started the system and now hey
>> >presto!! it reads 32 Meg.
>> >
>> >Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in
>there
>> >but which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE
>in?
>> >Is this something to do with the other B C or D blocks which make it read
>> >the memory slots properly?
>> >
>> >Could it be something to do with flahsing the BIOS? The trouble is that
>the
>> >BIOS in there is an Amibios 1.00.11DNOR whereas the serial number
>identifies
>> >it as a Pulsar 19 and any Pulsar According to the PB site
>>
>>http://support.packardbell.com/uk/mypc/index.php?PibIte...
>ymultimedia&PibLinkGroup=2000#show
>> >should have an Apollo, or a Luna or a Bora Pro or some Athena or Phoenix
>> >BIOS??
>> >
>> >Do you think I can replace my AMI with one of these to cure these
>problems?
>> >Sounds like an incredibly risky stratiegy to me as you can't back up a
>BIOS
>> >and reinstall it??
>> >
>> >Licensed to Quill
>> >
>> <SNIP!>
>
>
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
August 30, 2004 10:40:38 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell (More info?)

Hi Ben

That sounds like the cure to me: It does now seem to me that what must have
happened was that this 16 meg of memory just died when I took it out and the
two simms marked 32 meg are only 32 qwhen put in two slots to form a bank:
IE they are 16 each but presumably if I can run a test from DOS, it will
confirm that.

I wasnt suggesting that this chip cant be a 233, all I was thinking was that
everyone who has posted whose posts were seen on google suggested that it
was very difficult ot put a 233 in this board. Certainly not without some
sort of special fan which this one doesn't seem to be. Clealry I would
prefer a 233 to a 200 and to me, the difference doesnt sound too great to
represent any element of overloading the mobo or overclocking. Unless there
is some problem with the mobo and this chip, I dont see a 233mmx that as
being much different from a 200 mmx altough I DO (from remember when I was
waiting for my first Dell Inspiron 3000) the first Pentium 11s being 233 as
well as the last Pentium 1s being overclockable to 233

MFS

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:4132a5e9.2069255@news.charter.net...
> The Intel spec for the NV430VX states that the board supports the Pentium
MMX
> processors. To install a 233MHz MMX and get it to run at its rated speed,
> simply set the jumpers as tho the CPU was a 100MHz classic Pentium. This
may
> sound strange, but, trust me, it works.
>
> If the system is not seeing the proper amount of memory, a BIOS update
will not
> change this one whit. If it is not seeing the right amount of memory,
either
> the memory is defective, or one or more SIMM sockets are defective or
dirty, or
> the memory is does not meet the requirements of the motherboard.
>
> If the memory is somehow incorrect for the motherboard, all manner of
error
> messages and failures can ensue. Get the memory right, then worry about
the
> rest, including another CPU. Download MEMTEST-86 from the memtest web
site, and
> run MEMTEST-86 to ensure that the memory setup is OK. MEMTEST-86 is
perhaps the
> best all-round memory diagnostic, and it is a free download. If the
computer
> runs several complete cycles of memory tests with MEMTEST-86, then the
memory is
> OK. One error as indicated by MEMTEST-86 implies that the memory is not
right
> for the computer... Ben Myers
>
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:15:12 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >OK I will download the spec from the Intel site as there doesn't seem to
be
> >sufficient detail on the PB site which I mentioned. And if the BIOS is
the
> >latest, there must be some other reason for the system not seeing the
memory
> >which SEEMS to be inserted properly in the slots (and if it wasnt, surely
I
> >would hear beeps??)
> >
> >WHat is peculiar is that everyone seems to think that a 233 MHZ can't
EASILY
> >be put in a PB 680 mother board.
> >
> >There is something else wrong in that when (even identifying only 16 Meg
of
> >memory) the unit tries to get into Windows it starts giving error
messages
> >telling me that it cant find certain files it needs to start windows and
I
> >need to reinstall windows. WHich I dont necessarily believe but wonder if
> >there is any program I can use to correct this? If I can get into
windows,
> >perhaps I can see howmuch memory is installed
> >
> >I also have a drive with a working windows installation which works iwth
a
> >Dell Dimension XPa 233 which wont even start or bring up an initial
windows
> >splash screen on this PB. The drive works unbelievably slowly and I cant
> >beleive all this results from installation with a wrong chipset
> >
> >BW
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:413132d3.11004699@news.charter.net...
> >> "Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in
> >there but
> >> which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips ARE
in?"
> >Not
> >> sure if you mis-stated with THREE SIMMS, but the motherboard works only
> >with
> >> matched pairs of SIMMs. That is a rule almost inviolate with Pentium
> >class
> >> motherboards and 72-pin SIMMs.
> >>
> >> Don't flash the BIOS. Your motherboard has the latest and last BIOS.
> >Altho
> >> I've flashed the BIOS in maybe thousands of motherboards over the
years, I
> >still
> >> think it is a risky procedure. Perhaps more risky for you than for me.
> >>
> >> Packard Bell was notoriously sloppy with its bill-of-materials in the
> >assembly
> >> of computers, and also with the myriad of names on the front, Pulsars,
> >Legends,
> >> etc. It is no wonder that there is conflicting information about the
> >> motherboard inside your system. Ignore what you see elsewhere. You
KNOW
> >what
> >> you've got there, very pragmatically.
> >>
> >> FInally, download the spec for the motherboard. It has good solid
> >detailed
> >> inforamtion, a hallmark of Intel-designed motherboards... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:27:29 -0400, "Licensed to Quill"
> >> <vintagepen@compuserve.nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Ben
> >> >
> >> >You were right: Where it says the identification of the block ISN'T
the
> >> >place where you set the CMOS. That is bank D and when I set bank A as
you
> >> >suggested, all started coming alive.
> >> >
> >> >But curiously the original memory still gives three beeps. So I took
it
> >out
> >> >and put in two 32 meg EDO chips which resulted in a proper boot. So I
put
> >in
> >> >the two original 8 meg chips (at least I thought they were 8 meg SIMMS
as
> >> >they registered 16 Meg when I originally started the system and now
hey
> >> >presto!! it reads 32 Meg.
> >> >
> >> >Can't figure out why the mobo can't read the three SIMMS which are in
> >there
> >> >but which nevertheless doesn't give error messages when those chips
ARE
> >in?
> >> >Is this something to do with the other B C or D blocks which make it
read
> >> >the memory slots properly?
> >> >
> >> >Could it be something to do with flahsing the BIOS? The trouble is
that
> >the
> >> >BIOS in there is an Amibios 1.00.11DNOR whereas the serial number
> >identifies
> >> >it as a Pulsar 19 and any Pulsar According to the PB site
> >>
>
>>http://support.packardbell.com/uk/mypc/index.php?PibIte...
n
> >ymultimedia&PibLinkGroup=2000#show
> >> >should have an Apollo, or a Luna or a Bora Pro or some Athena or
Phoenix
> >> >BIOS??
> >> >
> >> >Do you think I can replace my AMI with one of these to cure these
> >problems?
> >> >Sounds like an incredibly risky stratiegy to me as you can't back up a
> >BIOS
> >> >and reinstall it??
> >> >
> >> >Licensed to Quill
> >> >
> >> <SNIP!>
> >
> >
>
!