Interesting report on the suicide bombers

Although I have the site where they post the TV editorial, it currently has not been posted yet, for today's editorial. It should be up soon.

It's a small segment on the News called Last Word.

So they were speaking on the suicide bombers' reasons. While I can't tell if this info is in our favor, those who supported the mission against terrorists and suicide bombers, or those who were arguing for reasons for the Palestinian bombers' reasons for their acts, here goes what I heard: (and I could have picked some wrong data, so watch out)

So, it seems we often look at the Palestinian suicide bombers and often find they do it for their situation. That often is seen as the economical situation. Many would argue they are left without much and in order to thrive, they need to prove a point by suiciding themselves.
Alas, that does not seem to be the right guess. A lot of these suicide bombers are actually well accomplished people, if not well educated. From what it seems, the bus bomber was some middle-class worker, for example. Mohammed Atta had studied and graduated in some high degree studies. In fact not many of the bombers are in a destitute situation.

So, in fact, we have two kinds of bombers, the martyrs and the suicide bombers. When you suicide, you do it because you're tired of life or are in a poor mental situation. That's not the same as being a martyr.

What does it all mean?
There is another reason, very likely, for why these people are attacking that way, and it definitely does not come from social and economical status. So what is it?

And at the least, we should stop looking at the Palestinians' motives for attacking that way as "economically destitue situations".

Take all of this for what it's worth of course. Hopefully the source site will post the editorial soon.
I think it somehow raised a point, that I didn't think about. Surely they aren't trying to attack because they're poor or don't have access to education like other places?!

<A HREF="http://www.canada.com/globaltv/lastword/index.html" target="_new">http://www.canada.com/globaltv/lastword/index.html</A>
This is the site.

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We are all guilty. How many innocent children died through our inaction? What pray tell me is our excuse?

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I wrote it, trying to put myself in the reporter's place of course.

But I did write this because I saw she made a point. Maybe it supports our side, in that the opposing party claims they do this because they are destitute, when in fact it's not very true. So, perhaps it means we do have a motive and that they are killing for other reasons, all at the same time wrong ones of course.

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It's not like we care either. I would rather spend my money on my next upgrade, than feed a whole village in africa. I don't want anyone to die and I don't agree with violence. But I would understand if someone from that same village would want to kill me after his family died from hunger.

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I think it's their (stupid) way of fighting the injustices commited on their people. I have'nt read the Koran, I would'nt know. Perhaps they think themselves martyrs, someone should tell them that a martyr is someone who would rather die than give up his belief, not someone who attacks.
It's stupid really, someone willing to die can do so much more to further his cause than just blowing himself up.

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There were no misuse. You DID invade and you ARE occupying iraq.

Do you think the israeli army care about any civilians near their target? Hell, they even take pot shots at people. Sometime ago there was a panorama thing about a british reporter being shot in palestine by the israeli army. All of it was filmed. They showed the uncensored film footage, where the reporters were in highly visible and well recognised clothes marked TV slowly going forward with their hands in the air and two shots come in, one kills the reporter. Then, they showed a woman from the israeli army giving their account that there were hell of alot of fire coming from the building the reporters were in and the israeli returned fire. There were no apologies. Just a denials and lies.

Israeli settlers are allowed to have guns and fire potshots at palestinians. they're not prosecuted if they do. Just more israeli soldiers are sent where they live incase the palestinians want to fight back.

Again in panorama, there were incedents in iraq. One was again on camera, where the american army did a drive by killing a guy in a crowd. These guys weren't even protesting or anything they were just sitting around. When the americans were driving past they tried to hide. alas they failed.

Even some of the field leaders in the american army in iraq say that a lot of the soldiers are just plain scared and can't even think before shooting. They also say that the american government and the guys in charge of iraq are way far off from reality.

The palestinian so called suicide bombers do it because they are under illegal occupation and there is no way the israelis will leave if they were to sit tight and do nothing.

I see no real problem with attacks of any kind/suicide bombing on military targets... Not my cup of tea, but I understand it. I do however see a serious problem with attacks of any kind/suicide bombing on non-military targets. When someone involves innocent civilians they're being nothing but a coward who doesn't have the balls to go after the real target.

Shadus

The is israeli army recently destroyed hundreds of homes in gaza, killing and injuring people including kids. Was that brave? They then said there were only a few destroyed.

yeah! I'm sure that eight year old kid was a terrorist leader. And the helicopter that fired into the crowed must have detected invisible terrorists on its radar.

And yeah 1500 "terrorist" left homeless. right? Well you might be right you know. Cos those kids that were made homeless will remember this, and they will become "terrorists" in a few years. So there goes the israeli long term plan.

And the the role of Prime-minister? that was forced on the palestinian people by israelis and americans. nothing to do with the palestinian people. He's not even voted in. Arafat is the voted in leader.

Do a search on google. You'll find everything there. sites to look at: bbc, guardian, usatoday etc. etc.

But I guess you'll be looking at fox.

Well arafat is as legitimate as bush.

If you are unable to participate in a reasonable debate, don't join them.

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Indeed.
In a debate it is YOUR job to provide proof to your own arguments. Without credibility, your only hope is the other party gets your point and has already related to it or seen it in reality. Apparently Paddymole doesn't see that.

Anyone wondering if he's watching Al-Jazeera for "unbiased two-sides news"?

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Excuse me but who gives a sh!t what dhlucke believes. I don't need to prove anything to that moron.

If someone comes along and says arafat eats babies, he'll belive them. Tell him anything bad about george bush (aka dhluck's god), and he goes bezerk

Grow up.

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Now there's a good idea.

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lets start the anal raping


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He's right in one sense, those of us who don't keep track of this constantly see what you are posting as bs. You won't back up anything you say just like the forum trolls... what do you expect peoples responses to be?

Shadus

I actually posted info on these forums on a couple of those things when they were on tv.

Heres the discussion on the <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new"> American soldiers in iraq</A> issue.

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on the issue of the <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">IDF deliberately shooting an unarmed reporter</A>


Neither of the above resulted in any proper investitgations.

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Nobody so far has even brought up a good argument that justifies Palestinian bombers attacking CIVILIANS compared to Israelis getting to the point: The terrorists.

In this respect, I hand it to the Israelis all the way.

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How do you expect this conflict to be resolved? You don't want the USA as a mediator so what do you want?

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Please refresh my memory on Arab wars, but do you know why the Sinai was occupied?

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Its all a national conspiracy to piss you off.

It's all Bush's fault

Very creative arguments guys. Did you think up these comments all by your selves?

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Who are you addressing, actually? I don't recall making an argument in this thread, creative or otherwise.

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