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Anonymous
July 23, 2004 9:09:55 PM

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http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/532/532995p1.html

Jesus. Can't we just stop the sloppy-programming and rushed-patch
insanity!!!!

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Tony DiMarzio
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July 24, 2004 2:22:33 AM

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They say, "Far Cry patch 1.2 has shown unexpected behaviour on specific
hardware configurations".
I wonder, what are those "specific hardware configurations"? Hmmm...

GT-Force
Anonymous
July 24, 2004 3:21:44 AM

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Why on earth would a company rush a *patch*? It's not like there's a whole
boatload of potential customers refusing to buy the game unless the patch
got released.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/532/532995p1.html
>
> Jesus. Can't we just stop the sloppy-programming and rushed-patch
> insanity!!!!
>
> --
> Tony DiMarzio
> djtone81@hotmail.com
> djraid@comcast.net
>
>
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Anonymous
July 24, 2004 3:21:45 AM

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Is that a rhetorical question? I agree... however, they _were_ compelled to
rush 1.2. Everyone wanted it... the sooner the better, and this is the end
result.

Tony

"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why on earth would a company rush a *patch*? It's not like there's a whole
> boatload of potential customers refusing to buy the game unless the patch
> got released.
>
> --
> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>
>
> "Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-pSdnQOZYPY645zcRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> > http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/532/532995p1.html
> >
> > Jesus. Can't we just stop the sloppy-programming and rushed-patch
> > insanity!!!!
> >
> > --
> > Tony DiMarzio
> > djtone81@hotmail.com
> > djraid@comcast.net
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
July 24, 2004 4:34:40 AM

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Computers with RAM and video cards, I'd bet. And maybe a CPU too.

"GT-Force" <dummyacct@operamail.com> wrote in message
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> They say, "Far Cry patch 1.2 has shown unexpected behaviour on specific
> hardware configurations".
> I wonder, what are those "specific hardware configurations"? Hmmm...
>
> GT-Force
>
>
Anonymous
July 24, 2004 6:54:39 AM

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GT-Force wrote:
> They say, "Far Cry patch 1.2 has shown unexpected behaviour on specific
> hardware configurations".
> I wonder, what are those "specific hardware configurations"? Hmmm...
>
> GT-Force
>
>

"All those not exactly the same as the one in their QA lab"
Anonymous
July 24, 2004 1:55:55 PM

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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why on earth would a company rush a *patch*? It's not like there's a
whole
> boatload of potential customers refusing to buy the game unless the
patch
> got released.
>


To be honest, I've been holding off on buying Far Cry until the 1.2 patch
with the save anywhere fix is implemented. I did see the game for $20 off
at my local Best Buy yesterday, and it was tempting to pick it up, but the
price of software drops over time anyway.

That aside, this is the first time in memory that I can recall a patch
being pulled. I wonder if nVidia has any comments about it?
July 24, 2004 3:06:35 PM

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How in hell can you recall a patch?

Shall I send it in the post or email it?



Spence



"Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/532/532995p1.html
>
> Jesus. Can't we just stop the sloppy-programming and rushed-patch
> insanity!!!!
>
> --
> Tony DiMarzio
> djtone81@hotmail.com
> djraid@comcast.net
>
>
July 24, 2004 4:40:34 PM

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The console save is adequate. I've found that all through
the game there are breaks that I use to save. One nice
thing about that is it boots those "heh! I gotcha!"
places all over the game. I don't mind a hard game,
but I do mind being intentionally harrassed by a coder
who thinks something like that is funny, and drops you
back to an hour agos worth of struggle.

johns
July 24, 2004 6:41:20 PM

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>"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote in message
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> To be honest, I've been holding off on buying Far Cry until the 1.2 patch
> with the save anywhere fix is implemented.
> ....

Same here. However, the save-anywhere will be available in patch 1.3. They
already stated that incorporating it was not easy and they could not make it
in 1.2.

By the way, IMHO, all the PC-game-developers who do not incorporate
save-anywhere, are out of their minds, and shooting themselves in the foot.
If I did not want to save anywhere, I'd go play in the arcades or would buy
a $150 console. After paying ~$2000 for a high-end PC, heck, I want to save
anywhere and anytime I want! :) 

GT
July 24, 2004 8:57:09 PM

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While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:06:35 +0000 (UTC), "Spencer"
<warthog@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

>How in hell can you recall a patch?
>
>Shall I send it in the post or email it?

I would ask them to pay for the time spent downloading the useless
thing.... (particularly if you are on (shudder) dialup!!!)
--
Tsunami
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July 24, 2004 10:34:34 PM

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Has anyone determined if it's ati or nvidia cards getting hit harder with
bugs? I'm hoping it's nvidia's optimizations screwing nvidia cards posing
the bigger problems...

Mike

"Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/532/532995p1.html
>
> Jesus. Can't we just stop the sloppy-programming and rushed-patch
> insanity!!!!
>
> --
> Tony DiMarzio
> djtone81@hotmail.com
> djraid@comcast.net
>
>
Anonymous
July 25, 2004 12:30:03 AM

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How do you manually save ?
I hate going back real far as well.
Thanks

"johns" <johns123@moscow.com> wrote in message
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> The console save is adequate. I've found that all through
> the game there are breaks that I use to save. One nice
> thing about that is it boots those "heh! I gotcha!"
> places all over the game. I don't mind a hard game,
> but I do mind being intentionally harrassed by a coder
> who thinks something like that is funny, and drops you
> back to an hour agos worth of struggle.
>
> johns
>
>
Anonymous
July 25, 2004 1:59:23 AM

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"GT-Force" <dummyacct@operamail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Same here. However, the save-anywhere will be available in patch 1.3.
They
> already stated that incorporating it was not easy and they could not
make it
> in 1.2.
>


I look forward to seeing how it turns out.


> By the way, IMHO, all the PC-game-developers who do not incorporate
> save-anywhere, are out of their minds, and shooting themselves in the
foot.
> If I did not want to save anywhere, I'd go play in the arcades or would
buy
> a $150 console. After paying ~$2000 for a high-end PC, heck, I want to
save
> anywhere and anytime I want! :) 
>
> GT
>


Amen to that! The main reason why I didn't buy XIII is because I tried
out the demo, found it to be very difficult and I hated not being able to
save when I wanted. Even playing through one of the missions in the demo
proved to be a frustrating experience. A lot of people had similar things
to say about the full game. Too bad really since it otherwise looked like
a decent unique FPS experience.
Anonymous
July 25, 2004 2:03:29 AM

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"johns" <johns123@moscow.com> wrote in message
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> The console save is adequate. I've found that all through
> the game there are breaks that I use to save. One nice
> thing about that is it boots those "heh! I gotcha!"
> places all over the game. I don't mind a hard game,
> but I do mind being intentionally harrassed by a coder
> who thinks something like that is funny, and drops you
> back to an hour agos worth of struggle.
>
> johns
>


My biggest gripe with the console save system is that it can ruin the
immersion factor. From past experience with games in general, I've come
to expect that something big or difficult is about to happen shortly after
a save occurs. I know that Far Cry is a hard game, but I like to have
something of a surprise factor. Having the option to save at timed
intervals is not a bad compromise (assuming you can adjust the
increments), but even that can cause momentary hiccups in a game. And
with Far Cry being a difficult game, it's also nice to be able to save
when you want.
July 25, 2004 10:29:26 AM

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Well i don't know about other folks, my 9600xtg card actually improved
performance with this patch, so its staying on for now.

smithy


"Mike" <mikepos1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone determined if it's ati or nvidia cards getting hit harder with
> bugs? I'm hoping it's nvidia's optimizations screwing nvidia cards posing
> the bigger problems...
>
> Mike
>
> "Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-pSdnQOZYPY645zcRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> > http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/532/532995p1.html
> >
> > Jesus. Can't we just stop the sloppy-programming and rushed-patch
> > insanity!!!!
> >
> > --
> > Tony DiMarzio
> > djtone81@hotmail.com
> > djraid@comcast.net
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
July 25, 2004 7:55:28 PM

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So what if everyone wanted it? They already purchased the game, paid their
money. There's no financial benefit for the company to release the patch
early.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is that a rhetorical question? I agree... however, they _were_ compelled
to
> rush 1.2. Everyone wanted it... the sooner the better, and this is the end
> result.
>
> Tony
Anonymous
July 26, 2004 1:25:00 AM

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I'm afraid you're incorrect. Saying there is no financial benefit in
releasing/rushing this patch which adds functionality and fixes bugs is like
saying there is no financial benefit to Microsoft releasing/rushing security
updates and OS hotfixes. The financial benefit is long term and forward
looking as CryTek and Ubi's reputation for quality software is affected by
the code state of this game.

--
Tony DiMarzio
djtone81@hotmail.com
djraid@comcast.net

"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> So what if everyone wanted it? They already purchased the game, paid their
> money. There's no financial benefit for the company to release the patch
> early.
>
> --
> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>
>
> "Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:EOSdnd2vY7U_PJzcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> > Is that a rhetorical question? I agree... however, they _were_ compelled
> to
> > rush 1.2. Everyone wanted it... the sooner the better, and this is the
end
> > result.
> >
> > Tony
>
>
Anonymous
July 26, 2004 9:46:24 PM

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On 7/25/2004 6:25 PM Tony DiMarzio brightened our day with:

>I'm afraid you're incorrect. Saying there is no financial benefit in
>releasing/rushing this patch which adds functionality and fixes bugs is like
>saying there is no financial benefit to Microsoft releasing/rushing security
>updates and OS hotfixes. The financial benefit is long term and forward
>looking as CryTek and Ubi's reputation for quality software is affected by
>the code state of this game.
>
>
>
Exactly, with what's been happening I'm losing faith in Crytek. The
next game they release I'll be hesitant to purchase.

Additionally one of the main things the FarCry patch was supposed to
accomplish was enabling support for Shader Model 3.0, lots of people
buying the new nVidia and Radeon cards will be looking for a game that
fully shows off their cards capabilities. With the 1.2 patch FarCry is
that game.
Or perhaps right now (this is pure speculation) Crytek/Ubisoft has a
deal with some OEM to bundle FarCry with the Radeon X800 or GeForce
6800, but they're waiting for the patch to be finished.

--
Steve [Inglo]
July 26, 2004 9:46:25 PM

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"Inglo" <ingloogoo@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.xcc> wrote in message
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>
> Additionally one of the main things the FarCry patch was supposed to
> accomplish was enabling support for Shader Model 3.0, lots of people
> buying the new nVidia and Radeon cards will be looking for a game that
> fully shows off their cards capabilities. With the 1.2 patch FarCry is
> that game.
> Or perhaps right now (this is pure speculation) Crytek/Ubisoft has a
> deal with some OEM to bundle FarCry with the Radeon X800 or GeForce
> 6800, but they're waiting for the patch to be finished.
>

I wonder what the "issue ratio" is - meaning the percentage of patch 1.2
users who actually have new problems now. I'm running it with a Radeon
9600Pro and I haven't seen any new problems. Also, if CryTek issues a
recall can't they provide a way to uninstall the patch aside from having to
reinstall the whole game? Is it even possible?
Anonymous
July 27, 2004 7:02:43 AM

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At the same time, MS is not rushing service packs. SP2 has been a while in
pipe. Mind you, there are companies that refuse to migrate to a new OS until
its 1st service pack gets slipstreamed...

CryTek and Ubi's reputation for quality software is further tarnished by
recalling a patch.

Seriously, rushing a game for the gold release has financial benefits: the
earlier the game starts selling, the earlier the revenue starts flowing.
Companies are willing to forgo reputation for the immediate financial gain.
Doing the same on a patch is just silly.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Tony DiMarzio" <djtone81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm afraid you're incorrect. Saying there is no financial benefit in
> releasing/rushing this patch which adds functionality and fixes bugs is
like
> saying there is no financial benefit to Microsoft releasing/rushing
security
> updates and OS hotfixes. The financial benefit is long term and forward
> looking as CryTek and Ubi's reputation for quality software is affected by
> the code state of this game.
>
> --
> Tony DiMarzio
> djtone81@hotmail.com
> djraid@comcast.net
Anonymous
August 2, 2004 4:16:17 AM

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You hit it right on the head afaic.

Mike

"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote in message
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> "johns" <johns123@moscow.com> wrote in message
> news:cdue13$21q6$1@news.fsr.net...
> > The console save is adequate. I've found that all through
> > the game there are breaks that I use to save. One nice
> > thing about that is it boots those "heh! I gotcha!"
> > places all over the game. I don't mind a hard game,
> > but I do mind being intentionally harrassed by a coder
> > who thinks something like that is funny, and drops you
> > back to an hour agos worth of struggle.
> >
> > johns
> >
>
>
> My biggest gripe with the console save system is that it can ruin the
> immersion factor. From past experience with games in general, I've come
> to expect that something big or difficult is about to happen shortly after
> a save occurs. I know that Far Cry is a hard game, but I like to have
> something of a surprise factor. Having the option to save at timed
> intervals is not a bad compromise (assuming you can adjust the
> increments), but even that can cause momentary hiccups in a game. And
> with Far Cry being a difficult game, it's also nice to be able to save
> when you want.
>
>
Anonymous
August 3, 2004 10:03:12 AM

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"Mike P" <mike@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> You hit it right on the head afaic.
>
> Mike
>
> "NightSky 421" <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote in message
> news:10g6cbukr4rsj94@corp.supernews.com...
> > "johns" <johns123@moscow.com> wrote in message
> > news:cdue13$21q6$1@news.fsr.net...
> > > The console save is adequate. I've found that all through
> > > the game there are breaks that I use to save. One nice
> > > thing about that is it boots those "heh! I gotcha!"
> > > places all over the game. I don't mind a hard game,
> > > but I do mind being intentionally harrassed by a coder
> > > who thinks something like that is funny, and drops you
> > > back to an hour agos worth of struggle.
> > >
> > > johns
> > >
> >
> >
> > My biggest gripe with the console save system is that it can ruin the
> > immersion factor. From past experience with games in general, I've come
> > to expect that something big or difficult is about to happen shortly
after
> > a save occurs. I know that Far Cry is a hard game, but I like to have
> > something of a surprise factor. Having the option to save at timed
> > intervals is not a bad compromise (assuming you can adjust the
> > increments), but even that can cause momentary hiccups in a game. And
> > with Far Cry being a difficult game, it's also nice to be able to save
> > when you want.
> >

I have mixed emotions on the checkpoint system, I usually hate it at the
time, but I find it really forces you to become much better at a game. If
you can save where ever you want, you become a bit blasé, because it doesn't
matter if you die as often, so it can make a game boring.
I can't see why the fashion in which saves are handled, looses the
immersion, surely you realise something is going to happen sometime :) . They
are very quick in FC, and sometimes I don't even know they have happened. I
never though twice about it in Halo (PC) either (actually on Legendary I
thought about it LOTS :) .
I just finished Hidden and Dangerous 2 on Hard, and that only gave 3 saves
per mission, and it would over write the previous save game!
!