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March 4, 2005 5:23:21 AM

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I have a kid who is set up as a User on an XP (home) machine. He is not
Admin to avoid download and install of games/spyware/RATs etc. He does not
know the Admin password.

One game requires him to be Admin to run. Won't work as a User.

One way is to use RunAs, but an Admin has to run it for him each
time (remember he doesn't know the password).

How do I create an icon with the Admin and password embedded in a command
line to avoid having to run this program for him using RunAs???? Or anything
else? Any other way????

How does the /savecred switch work (too bad its disabled anyway on a XP Home
machine).

Any ideas welcome.

David
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March 4, 2005 11:36:56 AM

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David wrote:
> I have a kid who is set up as a User on an XP (home) machine. He is not
> Admin to avoid download and install of games/spyware/RATs etc. He does not
> know the Admin password.
>
> One game requires him to be Admin to run. Won't work as a User.
>
> One way is to use RunAs, but an Admin has to run it for him each
> time (remember he doesn't know the password).
>
> How do I create an icon with the Admin and password embedded in a command
> line to avoid having to run this program for him using RunAs???? Or anything
> else? Any other way????
>
> How does the /savecred switch work (too bad its disabled anyway on a XP Home
> machine).
>
> Any ideas welcome.
>
> David
>
>
>


This is quite common if the software was designed for Win9x/Me, or
if it was intended for WinNT/2K/XP, but was improperly designed. Quite
simply, the installation routine for this application doesn't "know"
how to handle individual user profiles, or the application tries to
make changes to "off-limits" sections of the registry. Quite often,
you can make this software available to other users by _copying_ the
Start Menu folder and Desktop folder shortcuts from the user profile
from which the software was installed in the corresponding folders in
the user profile(s) in which you'd like the software to be accessible.
If the application is something that can/should be made available to
all current and future users, copying the shortcuts into the
corresponding locations of the All Users profile will do the trick.

For some obscure reason, game developers in particular seem to not
understand WinXP's file security paradigm, and require even limited
users to have unnecessarily high privileges to protected systems
folders. For example, saved games are often stored in a sub-folder
under the game's folder within C:\Program Files - a place where no
inexperienced or limited user should have write permissions.

NOTE: This may not work if the software requires access to parts
of the hard drive and/or registry that are not normally accessible to
regular users. (This won't occur if the application was properly
written.) If this does prove to be the case, however, you're left
with two options: Either grant the necessary users appropriate higher
access privileges (either as Power Users or local administrators), or
replace the application with one that was properly designed
specifically for WinNT/2K/XP.

Some Programs Do Not Work If You Log On from Limited Account
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q307091

Additionally, here are a couple of tips suggested, in a reply to a
different post, by MS-MVP Kent W. England:

"If your game or application works with admin accounts, but not with
limited accounts, you can fix it to allow limited users to access the
program files folder with "change" capability rather than "read" which
is the default.

C:\>cacls "Program Files\appfolder" /e /t /p users:c

where "appfolder" is the folder where the application is installed.

If you wish to undo these changes, then run

C:\>cacls "Program Files\appfolder" /e /t /p users:r

If you still have a problem with running the program or saving
settings on limited accounts, you may need to change permissions on
the registry keys. Run regedit.exe and go to HKLM\Software\vendor\app,
where "vendor\app" is the key that the software vendor used for your
specific program. Change the permissions on this key to allow Users
full control."


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Anonymous
March 4, 2005 11:45:01 AM

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Hi David,

Thanks for your post.

I understand that you want to create an icon with the Admin and password
embedded in a command line to avoid having to run this program for him
using RunAs. If I have misunderstood your concern, please feel free to let
me know.

Based on my experience, you can fulfill the function by writing a cmd file.
Please perform the following steps:

1. Open a notepad.exe
2. Write the RunAs command in the notepad
3. Save it as *.cmd file

Then the kid can run this file whenever he wants to play the game.

Hope that helps.

Thanks & Regards

Amanda Wang [MSFT]

Microsoft Online Partner Support

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Anonymous
March 4, 2005 11:45:02 AM

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Hi Amanda,
I'm trying to do this similiar thing.
I have a software that I want a 'user' with limited access to run.
I installed the software under my admin account. Then dragged the shortcut
to her profile folder. When I log in as her.. i double click on the programs
icon.. but it says USER DOES NOT HAVE DELETE PRIVELDGES.. blah bla blah

can you give more details on that .cmd advice you posted
thanks :) 


"Amanda Wang [MSFT]" wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your post.
>
> I understand that you want to create an icon with the Admin and password
> embedded in a command line to avoid having to run this program for him
> using RunAs. If I have misunderstood your concern, please feel free to let
> me know.
>
> Based on my experience, you can fulfill the function by writing a cmd file.
> Please perform the following steps:
>
> 1. Open a notepad.exe
> 2. Write the RunAs command in the notepad
> 3. Save it as *.cmd file
>
> Then the kid can run this file whenever he wants to play the game.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> Amanda Wang [MSFT]
>
> Microsoft Online Partner Support
>
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>
> ====================================================================
>
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so
> that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>
> =====================================================================
>
>
Anonymous
March 4, 2005 11:45:03 AM

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ohhh one more thing.. i'm using winxp pro i believe it's service pack 1

do i have any other options.. to accomplish this..
this is all new to me..

"AJS and new to XP" wrote:

> Hi Amanda,
> I'm trying to do this similiar thing.
> I have a software that I want a 'user' with limited access to run.
> I installed the software under my admin account. Then dragged the shortcut
> to her profile folder. When I log in as her.. i double click on the programs
> icon.. but it says USER DOES NOT HAVE DELETE PRIVELDGES.. blah bla blah
>
> can you give more details on that .cmd advice you posted
> thanks :) 
>
>
> "Amanda Wang [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Thanks for your post.
> >
> > I understand that you want to create an icon with the Admin and password
> > embedded in a command line to avoid having to run this program for him
> > using RunAs. If I have misunderstood your concern, please feel free to let
> > me know.
> >
> > Based on my experience, you can fulfill the function by writing a cmd file.
> > Please perform the following steps:
> >
> > 1. Open a notepad.exe
> > 2. Write the RunAs command in the notepad
> > 3. Save it as *.cmd file
> >
> > Then the kid can run this file whenever he wants to play the game.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards
> >
> > Amanda Wang [MSFT]
> >
> > Microsoft Online Partner Support
> >
> > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> >
> > ====================================================================
> >
> > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so
> > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> >
> > =====================================================================
> >
> >
March 4, 2005 4:21:57 PM

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Sounds perfect, but if you look up RunAs either on M'softs KB or Help (much
more info) there is no way to put the password in the cmd line. How would
you do it?

Remember its on "Home" also.

Please help.

David


"Amanda Wang [MSFT]" <v-amanwa@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:jPFt1ZJIFHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGXA02.phx.gbl...
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your post.
>
> I understand that you want to create an icon with the Admin and password
> embedded in a command line to avoid having to run this program for him
> using RunAs. If I have misunderstood your concern, please feel free to
> let
> me know.
>
> Based on my experience, you can fulfill the function by writing a cmd
> file.
> Please perform the following steps:
>
> 1. Open a notepad.exe
> 2. Write the RunAs command in the notepad
> 3. Save it as *.cmd file
>
> Then the kid can run this file whenever he wants to play the game.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> Amanda Wang [MSFT]
>
> Microsoft Online Partner Support
>
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>
> ====================================================================
>
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so
> that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>
> =====================================================================
>
Anonymous
March 10, 2005 3:30:47 PM

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Hi David,

Thanks for your update and let me note the problem that we cannot put the
password in the cmd line.

For the current situtation, there is no method except using the original
way to RunAs by Admin each time and enter the password every time. It is
by design because considering the security of the system. Also I have
tested by using a cmd line in my side but failed.

Maybe you can contact the game software manufacture to see if they have
some good methods to resolve the issue.

Thanks for your time and effort on this issue.

Thanks & Regards

Amanda Wang [MSFT]

Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

====================================================================

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Anonymous
March 10, 2005 4:42:41 PM

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David wrote:

> Sounds perfect, but if you look up RunAs either on M'softs KB
> or Help (much more info) there is no way to put the password
> in the cmd line. How would you do it?
Hi

Different RunAs products that supports the password as part of the
command listed here, some with encryption option for the password:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=3FE0B42C.773CA87...

Another one not mentioned in the link above:

SUperior SU
http://www.stefan-kuhr.de/supsu/main.php3


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Anonymous
March 10, 2005 4:49:31 PM

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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:

> David wrote:
>
>> Sounds perfect, but if you look up RunAs either on M'softs KB
>> or Help (much more info) there is no way to put the password
>> in the cmd line. How would you do it?
>
> Hi
>
> Different RunAs products that supports the password as part of the
> command listed here, some with encryption option for the password:
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=3FE0B42C.773CA87...
>
> Another one not mentioned in the link above:
>
> SUperior SU
> http://www.stefan-kuhr.de/supsu/main.php3
Hi

And one more:

LSrunas/LSrunasE (the latter with password encryption)
http://www.lansweeper.com/ls/lsrunas.aspx


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.m...
Anonymous
March 14, 2005 2:08:00 AM

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> David wrote:
> > I have a kid who is set up as a User on an XP (home) machine. He is not
> > Admin to avoid download and install of games/spyware/RATs etc. He does not
> > know the Admin password.
> >
> > One game requires him to be Admin to run. Won't work as a User.
> >
> > One way is to use RunAs, but an Admin has to run it for him each
> > time (remember he doesn't know the password).


Hi David,
runasspc do what you want. It is very simple to use. You can crypt the
password or run it directly

www.robotronic.de/runasspc.html
!