why you shouldn't vote for republicans

There are a million reasons, not just one...

My anger and my wrath will be poured on this place on man and beast on the trees of the field and the fruit of the ground it will burn and not be quenched Jeremiah 7:20
I am ALPHA and OMEGA, burn!

I thought it was because most of them are white-Christian-judgemental-bastards whose greed and belief that they're better than everyone else b/c of their wealth drives them to ignore the true problems of mankind.
*breath*

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No, there people that believe in making it on their own instead of being spoon fed. IMO



Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

Who really gives a sh!t?

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two sides every coin huh?


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crashman perhaps you see left wing extremists more becasue you ignore the right wing extremists?



i feel that ANY extreming wether left or right or north or south etc... is going to far. just as any religious extremists wether christians who kill doctors or muslims who kill americans. its the same thing.

if there were NO extremists then the world would be safe as everyone would leave each other alone to get along with thier average lives.


but unfortunatly their are extremists. ON ALL SIDES may i add. i certianly realise that there are some extreme left wing groups, but there are also extreme right wing groups such as the group that killed the abortion doctor, the white power gang, bill gates, and george bush.

just as hard core GE protestors crash into labs and break stuff, anti war protestors attack cops and embassys, blah blah blah the lists go on on both sides

extremist groups are not limited to one side. its a sad but true fact of life. (ooOooooO i wanna see some extremist monks do some serious arse whooping now that would be a cool extremist group. "find your center be-arch" )



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OMG i think i hit jackpot!!!!!

bling bling bling!!!!!

Hmmmmm dumb answer.

true moderates don't give a crap either way and don't debate the issue.

even if they get accused of being either way, well to the people they are arguing with they are against them coz they are extremists

you got FU-KING SOLDIERS IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW YOU IDIOT. that is a right wing thing. you got the KKK that is right wing. these people do hold demonstrations, infact they kill people in their demonstrations.

left wing people don't go round shoting people when they get pissed off, they go and hold a peacefull protest.

left wing people are normally protesting againt things the right wing governments have done.

while right wing people are going to court trying to get stuff done, or ding things illegally. e.g. genetic engineers were trying to use stem cells that is a right wing protest. its not in the right wing nature to protest because protests require a comunity and right wingers are against comunity and for individuals, a protest of individuals is a DUMB IDEA


anyway i'm not even gonna bother arguing with you. you know nothing of the differences between the sides and try to say that you are moderate.

my arse your moderate.



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> Like liberals are anti-christian-judgemental-bastards
> who think people are too stupid to govern themselves?
> Did you know that late term abortion is the practice
> of killing a baby at so late a stage in developement
> that it's a fully formed, funtioning human?

Did you know that what they classify as a late term abortion can be performed at 14 weeks? That there is a 0% survival rate for "delivered" children at that stage? The problem is, if you ask the spinners of that bullsh!t about it, they make believe that there is a functional human being delivered, however the term "late term abortion" refers to abortions in the second trimester also... which have no survival rate at the start of the trimester and a miniscule survival rate ( at the end of the trimester. Fact of the mater is a fetus before it reaches a pound (usually around 23rd/24th week) has a 0% survival rate-- it's not viable. Physically it is fully developed it has all of its parts... but can't survive outside of the womb at all. Once a baby reachs a pound (usually between 23rd-27th week) there is about a 14% chance of survival in optimal conditions. The way the debate is frequently worded and such it makes it appear as if they're delivering a living child then killing it... fact of the matter is though - they aren't.

Shadus

Well. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why is society so polaraized in an Us vs Them way. Republicans hate the democrats...Liberals hate the conservatives...Christians are stupid...Environmentalists are tree huggers... Its gone beyond friendly jabbing at one another in debates. Now we degrade each other until we ourselves are degraded. We don't need political groups to foster ideological hate; we've up to our ears in our own egotistical blame-hate already!!! What follows is my PM to Scammy explaining what I posted in the Expectations thread...I hope maybe someone will get something out of it.

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Please guys...not many things in this world have ever gotten fixed or solved by hating the other guy. Comprimise doesn't happen this way...just more hate is created. Show some understanding, common sense, and leave the hate rhetoric to the politicians...

It's all Bush's fault...all of it...

Thanks Rob...It's part of a growing problem that I see in my country. Its almost like opposing groups barely see each other as human anymore. I don't like it very much.

It's all Bush's fault...all of it...

Hmmmm and who determines whats stupid?

one perons logic is another persons stupidity. it is basicly subjective in the end.


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Single mum, has two jobs. barely makes ends meet. Can hardly ever see her children, except when picking them up from school and after they're asleep. still needs government assistance. leeching?

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Not at all unless she is using her money up on alcohol or drugs. Based just on what you wrote she's obviously making an effort. Although I will add, one of my friends is working 30h/week at 8.00/hr, has a kid, is getting no help (her family is unable, and she's to proud to take it elsewhere. Doesn't get alimony or child support either) and is getting alone fairly well without any gov help (she doesnt have money to burn or anything but they eat well enough and she can get clothing and school supplies as needed.)

I'm talking more along the lines of woman spends 4 years on welfare "unable" to get a job, then gets on disability for "mental illness" then gets all 7 of her kids on disability and her husband too.

Leaching.

Aid should be there for when its needed, but each case needs examined very very closely and abuse needs to be prevented. To quote, "Getting on disability is hard, but once you know the ropes its easy to get anyone else who is interested on it." I'll leave the name off the quote for obvious reasons, but she has a masters degree in communication and a brand new car, and lives *considerably* better than I do and hasn't worked in 7-8 years... nor has any of her family. All on welfare and disability. Wonderful abuse of the system and denial of resources to people who honestly DO need it.

Shadus<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by shadus on 10/27/03 03:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

In my area, the non-abusive variety (I'd say a good 80% are non-abusive, but at the same time they're NOT getting the level of benefits they *NEED* becaues of the other 20% doing a rape job on the system), but I never said to eliminate it entirely, I think it needs controlled in a much stronger way.

Shadus

It wasn't an answer, it was a statement, and the only reason you think it's dumb is because your left, which makes you an imature stupid person, instead of right, which would make you a more mature stupid person.

I argue with you for the sake of other readers. Yes, I do get tired of right wingers assuming I support certain left wing issues, and leftist assuming I support certain right wing issues, when I oppose both.

I have nothing, I don't support the KKK, and they aren't ultra conservative anyway, they're faciast.

You already are

Actually I've studied the whole issue extensively and written articles on it. I don't have to be an expert to know more than you.

You're arse isn't a candidate

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Kinney, gotta agree man. Something is wrong with some of these people. They are hell-bent on thinking the US is the devil. WTF man! USA is our southern neighbor and I'll support their actions anyday, if for any good to come out.
"sigh", one day they pretend they want to debate calmly and open-mindedly, the next they're accusing.

You shoulda seen me on fire when I was debating for the US man. You would have cried for the teen up in the north! First political debate I ever took in the most actively. Alebit I did not really shove in any real political knowledge but mostly reasoning and mentality. (also the laws of conceptualization) You should look for the thread if you want. I think it's called Just for Eden. (yup I asked for one to be done aside from the 9/11 rememberance thread so it wouldn't deteriorate into debates disrespecting the topic)

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Poor Crash, always labeled throughout your life huh?

You got so much willpower to go on man, I give you my respect.

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Ahhhh, dude, it's a defect of humanity, people classify things they don't understand or don't appreciate, and because they don't understand nor appreciate those differences they often mislable others.

Perhaps I'm a bit guilty of this myself calling people who refuse to understand idiots, but it's such a broad definition it's like calling a person who appears caucasion "white" or a person who appears african "black" even though you don't know they heritage with 100% certainty.

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yes you wanted to lump all left wing people in the same group and stereotype us.

however if i had done similar you would be the first to complain.

i hope you can understand why i object to it.


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Yeah and the sad thing is, the attitude is not only in Al Qaeda but in our own nation.

I feel the same way about both Canada and Mexico.. they are our neighbors and instead of sending money to asian nations or africa for the last 50 years it should be going to our neighbors.. because if Canada/Mexico are flourishing, so will we.
Plus, we are neighbors.. who else can you count on if you ever needed defensive assistance?

Sigh indeed. It should be the spectacle known as the 8th(?) wonder of the world..

I respect that. Good idea.
3,000 civilians dying isnt really something that can be debated.
You hear liberals (and even some extremely religous-extemely idiodic conservatives) say how we 'asked' for 9/11, basically how we are the devil as al qaeda sees us..
I like to stand up for the people who can't speak, the ones lost in the tragedy.. did those civilian men, women and children 'ask' or should they pay for anothers past crime?
You don't see George Bush and crew purposely targeting innocent civilians.. thats quite a fundamental moral difference.
I'm not saying I agree with everything GWB does but I certainly am glad I voted for him instead of 'the other guy'.

I'll probley take a look at that thread tomorrow.. I'm tired!
Counterstrike got me tired out.

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"Right winged bastard" is the antonym to "bleeding heart liberal". They're both really well known terms. I just thought I'd throw in my two cents. But in the last moment insted of throwing it, I decided to fire it from a cannon!

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No one is saying the US is evil. The US is greedy. It's the richest, most powerfull nation on earth and it exerts it's full power to become even more wealthy.
Each day the US screws people the world over. <b><i> WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? </b></i> Does the rest of the world not try and defend it's 'right' to be rich? Do the starving understand that your wealth is more important to you than the lives of thousands.

Through <i>our</i> inaction, a lot more people die every year than the 3000 on 9/11. I can live with myself because I have come to realise that I have not the strength to change the world, but I try to help. But you, you who marks a person for death each time you get your paycheck, how can you possibly pretend innocence? How can anyone?
The US evil? No, we are.

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Aww how nice, why can't we all just get along. If only the whole world was as conscientious as the honest american citizen.
Makes me sick. Marie Antionette along with all the french aristocracy prolly thought along those same lines before she died.

It should be: 'Treat yourself like you treat others'. I bet that within a week you'll want to kill yourself.
Tell me who deserves mercy? how do you quantify 'unkind'?

You are guilty, I am guilty, and we don't deserve anything!

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I know. I said OUR as in we, the rich.
What get's me is the superiority complex that a lot of Americans have. 9/11 was a HUGE tragedy on a personal level, but no big deal on the world scale.
Most Americans don't want to realise that they do anything wrong. Even my friends, when I talk to them on the subject, have this logic that we live in a DEMOCRACY, we have a CONSTITUTION that gives us FREEDOM. Those three words are used as proof that , obviously, we can do no wrong.

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And your superiority complex that makes you think you can quantify the significance of death?!?

Yeah lets blame the everyday hard working American who follows his laws, pays his taxes and does his duty when called upon for the defense of his nation.
If anything, the common man is usually the VICTIM by YOUR LIBERAL POLICYS of self hatred.
He takes the hit because YOU feel so bad for all the bad we as a nation has done.
Yet you have no regard or respect for the good we've done.

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