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Anonymous
April 23, 2005 2:04:07 PM

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This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I wanted to
attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move some files
to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the notebook to log
into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in order:
1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the login box.
2. - I was prompted that the domain was not availbale to authenticate me,
but it let me into the local machine anyway.
3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change from the
domain to the workgroup name.
4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions to remove
this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
5. - I rebooted.
6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and password I
had been using. No go.
7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator password on the
local machine. No go.
I have been using this machine for a development project and the files I
need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been using. I have
no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I got it.
Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN of my
regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I think
the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator get to
those files?
Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 3:19:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you MVPs
know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT

"HT" wrote:

> This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I wanted to
> attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move some files
> to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the notebook to log
> into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in order:
> 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the login box.
> 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not availbale to authenticate me,
> but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change from the
> domain to the workgroup name.
> 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions to remove
> this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> 5. - I rebooted.
> 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and password I
> had been using. No go.
> 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator password on the
> local machine. No go.
> I have been using this machine for a development project and the files I
> need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been using. I have
> no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I got it.
> Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN of my
> regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I think
> the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator get to
> those files?
> Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
April 23, 2005 10:51:48 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the password
reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login with that.
you could then create a local account to work out of and take ownership of
the files you need to copy them to the new account.

you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a machine
from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no 'membership'
in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way to
organize machines in the explorer tree.

"HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
> I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you MVPs
> know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
>
> "HT" wrote:
>
> > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I wanted
to
> > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move some
files
> > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the notebook
to log
> > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in
order:
> > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the
login box.
> > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not availbale to authenticate
me,
> > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change from
the
> > domain to the workgroup name.
> > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions to
remove
> > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> > 5. - I rebooted.
> > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and password
I
> > had been using. No go.
> > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator password on
the
> > local machine. No go.
> > I have been using this machine for a development project and the files I
> > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been using. I
have
> > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I got
it.
> > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN of
my
> > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I
think
> > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator get
to
> > those files?
> > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
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Anonymous
April 23, 2005 10:51:49 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I guess I
need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?

"Dave" wrote:

> i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
> available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the password
> reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login with that.
> you could then create a local account to work out of and take ownership of
> the files you need to copy them to the new account.
>
> you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a machine
> from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no 'membership'
> in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way to
> organize machines in the explorer tree.
>
> "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
> > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you MVPs
> > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
> >
> > "HT" wrote:
> >
> > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I wanted
> to
> > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move some
> files
> > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the notebook
> to log
> > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in
> order:
> > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the
> login box.
> > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to authenticate
> me,
> > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change from
> the
> > > domain to the workgroup name.
> > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions to
> remove
> > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> > > 5. - I rebooted.
> > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and password
> I
> > > had been using. No go.
> > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator password on
> the
> > > local machine. No go.
> > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the files I
> > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been using. I
> have
> > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I got
> it.
> > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN of
> my
> > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I
> think
> > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator get
> to
> > > those files?
> > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 10:51:50 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

"HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:53474E84-873B-4249-B609-324736D66441@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I guess
> I
> need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?
>

Did the owner of the laptop use efs (encryption) on any files on the laptop?
If he did do not change any passwords until you are sure there is a recovery
agent set up. All encypted data may be lost forever by changing a password
outside of Windows. As his workplace is domain based there should be a
default recovery agent but make sure before changing passwords if efs has
been used.

Kerry

> "Dave" wrote:
>
>> i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
>> available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the
>> password
>> reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login with
>> that.
>> you could then create a local account to work out of and take ownership
>> of
>> the files you need to copy them to the new account.
>>
>> you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a
>> machine
>> from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no
>> 'membership'
>> in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way to
>> organize machines in the explorer tree.
>>
>> "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
>> > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you
>> > MVPs
>> > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
>> >
>> > "HT" wrote:
>> >
>> > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I
>> > > wanted
>> to
>> > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move some
>> files
>> > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the
>> > > notebook
>> to log
>> > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in
>> order:
>> > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the
>> login box.
>> > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to authenticate
>> me,
>> > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
>> > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change from
>> the
>> > > domain to the workgroup name.
>> > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions to
>> remove
>> > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
>> > > 5. - I rebooted.
>> > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and
>> > > password
>> I
>> > > had been using. No go.
>> > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator password
>> > > on
>> the
>> > > local machine. No go.
>> > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the
>> > > files I
>> > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been using.
>> > > I
>> have
>> > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I
>> > > got
>> it.
>> > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN
>> > > of
>> my
>> > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I
>> think
>> > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
>> > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator
>> > > get
>> to
>> > > those files?
>> > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
>>
>>
>>
April 24, 2005 12:02:16 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

search this group and probably the general microsoft.public.security group,
sometime within the last week someone would have undoubtedly posted the link
to several tools to reset administrator passwords on win2k or xp... search
for 'lost password' or 'administrator password'. google will also find them
if you search for something like 'lost administrator password reset disk
free download' i think this is the one i have in my office for emergency
use: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/. read the instructions and
follow exactly and it works just great. they are basically linux boot
images on a cd with a tool to edit the passwords on the hard drive. with
the one i got the hardest part was remembering how to burn an iso image onto
a cd.

"HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:53474E84-873B-4249-B609-324736D66441@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I guess
I
> need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?
>
> "Dave" wrote:
>
> > i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
> > available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the
password
> > reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login with
that.
> > you could then create a local account to work out of and take ownership
of
> > the files you need to copy them to the new account.
> >
> > you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a
machine
> > from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no
'membership'
> > in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way to
> > organize machines in the explorer tree.
> >
> > "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
> > > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you
MVPs
> > > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
> > >
> > > "HT" wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I
wanted
> > to
> > > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move
some
> > files
> > > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the
notebook
> > to log
> > > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in
> > order:
> > > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the
> > login box.
> > > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to
authenticate
> > me,
> > > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> > > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change
from
> > the
> > > > domain to the workgroup name.
> > > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions
to
> > remove
> > > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> > > > 5. - I rebooted.
> > > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and
password
> > I
> > > > had been using. No go.
> > > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator
password on
> > the
> > > > local machine. No go.
> > > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the
files I
> > > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been
using. I
> > have
> > > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I
got
> > it.
> > > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN
of
> > my
> > > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I
> > think
> > > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> > > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator
get
> > to
> > > > those files?
> > > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
> >
> >
> >
Anonymous
April 24, 2005 12:02:17 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

Thanks Loads Dave,
This was the ticket. I got in. This is a neat tool for desparate times.

I have a related question and I hope you or someone else can clarify this
for me.
I know that if I try to reset my domain user's password as the local
administrator, I could could lose some files if they exist, especially the
EFT files. This client opted to change a valid user's password on their
network and have me login as them rather than give me my own userid. I would
be petrified if I lose some EFT file that the regular user (who is on a
leave) lost one of their files. That is why I saved all of my work on their
desktop in a folder.

When I get to the client's office on Monday and try to rejoin the laptop to
the domain provided my userid has the rights to do that, then I hope that I
will be o.k.
The core of my question is, if the domain administrator changes the password
of a domain user, are the user's EFT files o.k.? I don't recall seeing as a
system admin the same warning at changing a password as I see when I am
logged in to the local machine as an admin.

Thanks
"Dave" wrote:

> search this group and probably the general microsoft.public.security group,
> sometime within the last week someone would have undoubtedly posted the link
> to several tools to reset administrator passwords on win2k or xp... search
> for 'lost password' or 'administrator password'. google will also find them
> if you search for something like 'lost administrator password reset disk
> free download' i think this is the one i have in my office for emergency
> use: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/. read the instructions and
> follow exactly and it works just great. they are basically linux boot
> images on a cd with a tool to edit the passwords on the hard drive. with
> the one i got the hardest part was remembering how to burn an iso image onto
> a cd.
>
> "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:53474E84-873B-4249-B609-324736D66441@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I guess
> I
> > need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?
> >
> > "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > > i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
> > > available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the
> password
> > > reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login with
> that.
> > > you could then create a local account to work out of and take ownership
> of
> > > the files you need to copy them to the new account.
> > >
> > > you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a
> machine
> > > from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no
> 'membership'
> > > in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way to
> > > organize machines in the explorer tree.
> > >
> > > "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
> > > > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you
> MVPs
> > > > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
> > > >
> > > > "HT" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I
> wanted
> > > to
> > > > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move
> some
> > > files
> > > > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the
> notebook
> > > to log
> > > > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in
> > > order:
> > > > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the
> > > login box.
> > > > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to
> authenticate
> > > me,
> > > > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> > > > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change
> from
> > > the
> > > > > domain to the workgroup name.
> > > > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions
> to
> > > remove
> > > > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> > > > > 5. - I rebooted.
> > > > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and
> password
> > > I
> > > > > had been using. No go.
> > > > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator
> password on
> > > the
> > > > > local machine. No go.
> > > > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the
> files I
> > > > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been
> using. I
> > > have
> > > > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I
> got
> > > it.
> > > > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN
> of
> > > my
> > > > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I
> > > think
> > > > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> > > > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator
> get
> > > to
> > > > > those files?
> > > > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 24, 2005 12:02:18 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

"HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8CB1225C-77D5-48AF-90E9-3B32121D05B4@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Loads Dave,
> This was the ticket. I got in. This is a neat tool for desparate times.
>
> I have a related question and I hope you or someone else can clarify this
> for me.
> I know that if I try to reset my domain user's password as the local
> administrator, I could could lose some files if they exist, especially the
> EFT files. This client opted to change a valid user's password on their
> network and have me login as them rather than give me my own userid. I
> would
> be petrified if I lose some EFT file that the regular user (who is on a
> leave) lost one of their files. That is why I saved all of my work on
> their
> desktop in a folder.
>
> When I get to the client's office on Monday and try to rejoin the laptop
> to
> the domain provided my userid has the rights to do that, then I hope that
> I
> will be o.k.
> The core of my question is, if the domain administrator changes the
> password
> of a domain user, are the user's EFT files o.k.? I don't recall seeing as
> a
> system admin the same warning at changing a password as I see when I am
> logged in to the local machine as an admin.
>
> Thanks

Did you mean EFS? Here's an overview of EFS. It's a long link so it may wrap
in your newsreader and break the link.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Window...

As long as they have a default recovery agent set up for the domain they can
unencrypt any files encrypted by a domain user.

Kerry


> "Dave" wrote:
>
>> search this group and probably the general microsoft.public.security
>> group,
>> sometime within the last week someone would have undoubtedly posted the
>> link
>> to several tools to reset administrator passwords on win2k or xp...
>> search
>> for 'lost password' or 'administrator password'. google will also find
>> them
>> if you search for something like 'lost administrator password reset disk
>> free download' i think this is the one i have in my office for emergency
>> use: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/. read the instructions and
>> follow exactly and it works just great. they are basically linux boot
>> images on a cd with a tool to edit the passwords on the hard drive. with
>> the one i got the hardest part was remembering how to burn an iso image
>> onto
>> a cd.
>>
>> "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:53474E84-873B-4249-B609-324736D66441@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I
>> > guess
>> I
>> > need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?
>> >
>> > "Dave" wrote:
>> >
>> > > i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
>> > > available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the
>> password
>> > > reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login
>> > > with
>> that.
>> > > you could then create a local account to work out of and take
>> > > ownership
>> of
>> > > the files you need to copy them to the new account.
>> > >
>> > > you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a
>> machine
>> > > from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no
>> 'membership'
>> > > in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way
>> > > to
>> > > organize machines in the explorer tree.
>> > >
>> > > "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
>> > > > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of
>> > > > you
>> MVPs
>> > > > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
>> > > >
>> > > > "HT" wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I
>> wanted
>> > > to
>> > > > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move
>> some
>> > > files
>> > > > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the
>> notebook
>> > > to log
>> > > > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended
>> > > > > in
>> > > order:
>> > > > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in
>> > > > > the
>> > > login box.
>> > > > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to
>> authenticate
>> > > me,
>> > > > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
>> > > > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change
>> from
>> > > the
>> > > > > domain to the workgroup name.
>> > > > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with
>> > > > > permissions
>> to
>> > > remove
>> > > > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
>> > > > > 5. - I rebooted.
>> > > > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and
>> password
>> > > I
>> > > > > had been using. No go.
>> > > > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator
>> password on
>> > > the
>> > > > > local machine. No go.
>> > > > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the
>> files I
>> > > > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been
>> using. I
>> > > have
>> > > > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine
>> > > > > before I
>> got
>> > > it.
>> > > > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the
>> > > > > FDN
>> of
>> > > my
>> > > > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain?
>> > > > > (I
>> > > think
>> > > > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
>> > > > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as
>> > > > > administrator
>> get
>> > > to
>> > > > > those files?
>> > > > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>>
April 24, 2005 12:05:08 AM

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oh, and of course try the 'standard' administrator passwords first... i.e.
blank, Asdf1234, the machine name, the user name, the company name, etc,
just in case they left it as a dumb one.

"HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:53474E84-873B-4249-B609-324736D66441@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I guess
I
> need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?
>
> "Dave" wrote:
>
> > i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
> > available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the
password
> > reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login with
that.
> > you could then create a local account to work out of and take ownership
of
> > the files you need to copy them to the new account.
> >
> > you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a
machine
> > from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no
'membership'
> > in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient way to
> > organize machines in the explorer tree.
> >
> > "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
> > > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of you
MVPs
> > > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
> > >
> > > "HT" wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I
wanted
> > to
> > > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move
some
> > files
> > > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the
notebook
> > to log
> > > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended in
> > order:
> > > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in the
> > login box.
> > > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to
authenticate
> > me,
> > > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> > > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change
from
> > the
> > > > domain to the workgroup name.
> > > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with permissions
to
> > remove
> > > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> > > > 5. - I rebooted.
> > > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and
password
> > I
> > > > had been using. No go.
> > > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator
password on
> > the
> > > > local machine. No go.
> > > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the
files I
> > > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been
using. I
> > have
> > > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine before I
got
> > it.
> > > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the FDN
of
> > my
> > > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the domain? (I
> > think
> > > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> > > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as administrator
get
> > to
> > > > those files?
> > > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
> >
> >
> >
April 24, 2005 3:30:30 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

you don't want to change the password of the domain user, it wouldn't work
even if you did... since the machine is not on the domain any domain account
can't be used, the os will always try to validate with a dc which it can't
get to. when you get back to the domain you login as the local
administrator and rejoin it to the domain, you will also need a domain admin
to supply a valid domain password for that operation. then the domain
account will work again. the problem is not that the password has changed,
it is that by removing the machine from the domain you made it flush the
cached domain info that had the password for the user so it could validate
his login when the dc wasn't available temporarily.

"HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8CB1225C-77D5-48AF-90E9-3B32121D05B4@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Loads Dave,
> This was the ticket. I got in. This is a neat tool for desparate times.
>
> I have a related question and I hope you or someone else can clarify this
> for me.
> I know that if I try to reset my domain user's password as the local
> administrator, I could could lose some files if they exist, especially the
> EFT files. This client opted to change a valid user's password on their
> network and have me login as them rather than give me my own userid. I
would
> be petrified if I lose some EFT file that the regular user (who is on a
> leave) lost one of their files. That is why I saved all of my work on
their
> desktop in a folder.
>
> When I get to the client's office on Monday and try to rejoin the laptop
to
> the domain provided my userid has the rights to do that, then I hope that
I
> will be o.k.
> The core of my question is, if the domain administrator changes the
password
> of a domain user, are the user's EFT files o.k.? I don't recall seeing as
a
> system admin the same warning at changing a password as I see when I am
> logged in to the local machine as an admin.
>
> Thanks
> "Dave" wrote:
>
> > search this group and probably the general microsoft.public.security
group,
> > sometime within the last week someone would have undoubtedly posted the
link
> > to several tools to reset administrator passwords on win2k or xp...
search
> > for 'lost password' or 'administrator password'. google will also find
them
> > if you search for something like 'lost administrator password reset disk
> > free download' i think this is the one i have in my office for
emergency
> > use: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/. read the instructions
and
> > follow exactly and it works just great. they are basically linux boot
> > images on a cd with a tool to edit the passwords on the hard drive.
with
> > the one i got the hardest part was remembering how to burn an iso image
onto
> > a cd.
> >
> > "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:53474E84-873B-4249-B609-324736D66441@microsoft.com...
> > > Thanks for the response - No password reset disk is available. So I
guess
> > I
> > > need I need to reset the admin password. Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > "Dave" wrote:
> > >
> > > > i don't think you can get it back on the domain without having a dc
> > > > available to validate against. you may be able to use one of the
> > password
> > > > reset disks to change the administrator password so you can login
with
> > that.
> > > > you could then create a local account to work out of and take
ownership
> > of
> > > > the files you need to copy them to the new account.
> > > >
> > > > you should note for the future that it is not necessary to remove a
> > machine
> > > > from a domain to access a workgroup's resources. there is no
> > 'membership'
> > > > in a workgroup or requirement to join it, it is just a convenient
way to
> > > > organize machines in the explorer tree.
> > > >
> > > > "HT" <HT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:D 27696DB-08C6-411C-84CE-6F0ED832DFCC@microsoft.com...
> > > > > I've been doing research while waiting for a response. Do any of
you
> > MVPs
> > > > > know if the Winternals product could help in this situation? - HT
> > > > >
> > > > > "HT" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is a major call for help. I have a client's notebook and I
> > wanted
> > > > to
> > > > > > attach it to my office peer-to-peer network so that I could move
> > some
> > > > files
> > > > > > to one of my local machines. (Prior to this I always used the
> > notebook
> > > > to log
> > > > > > into the client's Win2k3 network domain.) Here is what happended
in
> > > > order:
> > > > > > 1. - I logged into the notebook with the client's domainname in
the
> > > > login box.
> > > > > > 2. - I was prompted that the domain was not available to
> > authenticate
> > > > me,
> > > > > > but it let me into the local machine anyway.
> > > > > > 3. - I went into 'My Computer' properties and selected to change
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > domain to the workgroup name.
> > > > > > 4. - I was prompted to input the user and passwrd with
permissions
> > to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > this computer from the domain. that went through o.k.
> > > > > > 5. - I rebooted.
> > > > > > 6. - I tried to login to the notebook using the same userid and
> > password
> > > > I
> > > > > > had been using. No go.
> > > > > > 7. I have tried what the client gave me for an administrator
> > password on
> > > > the
> > > > > > local machine. No go.
> > > > > > I have been using this machine for a development project and the
> > files I
> > > > > > need are on the "Desktop" folder under the user id I have been
> > using. I
> > > > have
> > > > > > no idea what, if any, users were setup on the local machine
before I
> > got
> > > > it.
> > > > > > Is there a way that I can log onto the client's domain using the
FDN
> > of
> > > > my
> > > > > > regular username and get into the machine and rejoin the
domain? (I
> > > > think
> > > > > > the syntax would be \\servername.domainname\username)
> > > > > > Can I do a in-place reinstall of Windows XP Pro and as
administrator
> > get
> > > > to
> > > > > > those files?
> > > > > > Thanks afor any and all help -- HT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
!