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NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and X800 at
$199) for PCI-Express!

There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.

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tq96 wrote:
> NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
> should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and
> X800 at $199) for PCI-Express!
>
> There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.

thats the enthuisast market area, i think it's around even ati v nvidia, ati
are undercutting nvidia on price
not like i am a market analyst or anything though
ati are trying to buy market share, i suppose it's fallout from the
'hairdryer' errr 5800 ultra
we woke up and took a fresh look at ati's stuff

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"tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
> NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
> should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and X800
> at
> $199) for PCI-Express!
>
> There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.


Considering that the vast majority of users have AGP and not PCI-E, I'd hope
ATI would wake up and release the new cards in AGP format. They would gain
a lot of sales by doing so. About the only reason why I could fathom them
not wanting to come out with AGP versions would be due to supply problems.
I don't know about you, but any card higher than the X800 Pro was almost
impossible to stumble across where I live. Even the built-by-ATI X800 Pro's
were uncommon. I suspect that by limiting these new cards to PCI-E only,
they would artificially eliminate supply problems by only catering to the
elite crowd which has PCI-E.

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Dude, those profits don't go to nvidia, they go to the card manufacturers
or the dealers who are marking the damn things up. Nvidia just sells the
gpu and bridge chips for a set amount. The resellers are the ones currently
taking advantage of supply (or lack there of) and demand.

DaveL


"tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
> NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
> should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and X800
at
> $199) for PCI-Express!
>
> There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.

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All ATI has to do is develope there own bridge chip and there set.

DaveL


"NightSky 421" <nightsky421@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> "tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
> news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
> > NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
> > should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and X800
> > at
> > $199) for PCI-Express!
> >
> > There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.
>
>
> Considering that the vast majority of users have AGP and not PCI-E, I'd
hope
> ATI would wake up and release the new cards in AGP format. They would
gain
> a lot of sales by doing so. About the only reason why I could fathom them
> not wanting to come out with AGP versions would be due to supply problems.
> I don't know about you, but any card higher than the X800 Pro was almost
> impossible to stumble across where I live. Even the built-by-ATI X800
Pro's
> were uncommon. I suspect that by limiting these new cards to PCI-E only,
> they would artificially eliminate supply problems by only catering to the
> elite crowd which has PCI-E.
>
>

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What bridge chip? ATI uses native PCI-E. NVidia are the ones using an AGP
to PCI-E bridge chip, which hinders performance.

Am I incorrect?

"DaveL" <dave1027@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> All ATI has to do is develope there own bridge chip and there set.
>
> DaveL
>
>
> "NightSky 421" <nightsky421@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:10s1l4c8c0phge0@corp.supernews.com...
>> "tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
>> > NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
>> > should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and
>> > X800
>> > at
>> > $199) for PCI-Express!
>> >
>> > There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.
>>
>>
>> Considering that the vast majority of users have AGP and not PCI-E, I'd
> hope
>> ATI would wake up and release the new cards in AGP format. They would
> gain
>> a lot of sales by doing so. About the only reason why I could fathom
>> them
>> not wanting to come out with AGP versions would be due to supply
>> problems.
>> I don't know about you, but any card higher than the X800 Pro was almost
>> impossible to stumble across where I live. Even the built-by-ATI X800
> Pro's
>> were uncommon. I suspect that by limiting these new cards to PCI-E only,
>> they would artificially eliminate supply problems by only catering to the
>> elite crowd which has PCI-E.
>>
>>
>

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Guess Who wrote:

> What bridge chip? ATI uses native PCI-E. NVidia are the ones using an AGP
> to PCI-E bridge chip, which hinders performance.
>
> Am I incorrect?

If ATI uses native PCI-E and the board is to be plugged into an AGP slot,
then a bridge is still needed, it just goes the opposite direction from
nvidias. Whether it "hinders performance" is debatable.

> "DaveL" <dave1027@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Z7ydnZNdVPwZe13cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>> All ATI has to do is develope there own bridge chip and there set.
>>
>> DaveL
>>
>>
>> "NightSky 421" <nightsky421@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:10s1l4c8c0phge0@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
>>> > NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
>>> > should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and
>>> > X800
>>> > at
>>> > $199) for PCI-Express!
>>> >
>>> > There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.
>>>
>>>
>>> Considering that the vast majority of users have AGP and not PCI-E, I'd
>> hope
>>> ATI would wake up and release the new cards in AGP format. They would
>> gain
>>> a lot of sales by doing so. About the only reason why I could fathom
>>> them
>>> not wanting to come out with AGP versions would be due to supply
>>> problems.
>>> I don't know about you, but any card higher than the X800 Pro was almost
>>> impossible to stumble across where I live. Even the built-by-ATI X800
>> Pro's
>>> were uncommon. I suspect that by limiting these new cards to PCI-E
>>> only, they would artificially eliminate supply problems by only catering
>>> to the elite crowd which has PCI-E.
>>>
>>>
>>

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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Nvidia's 6600GT is native PCI-e with a bridge chip to convert it to AGP.
It's the 6800 series that is native agp. Nvidia is coming out with PCI-e
versions of that chip soon.

DaveL


"Guess Who" <chippe01@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What bridge chip? ATI uses native PCI-E. NVidia are the ones using an AGP
> to PCI-E bridge chip, which hinders performance.
>
> Am I incorrect?
>
> "DaveL" <dave1027@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Z7ydnZNdVPwZe13cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> > All ATI has to do is develope there own bridge chip and there set.
> >
> > DaveL
> >
> >
> > "NightSky 421" <nightsky421@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:10s1l4c8c0phge0@corp.supernews.com...
> >> "tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
> >> > NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
> >> > should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and
> >> > X800
> >> > at
> >> > $199) for PCI-Express!
> >> >
> >> > There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.
> >>
> >>
> >> Considering that the vast majority of users have AGP and not PCI-E, I'd
> > hope
> >> ATI would wake up and release the new cards in AGP format. They would
> > gain
> >> a lot of sales by doing so. About the only reason why I could fathom
> >> them
> >> not wanting to come out with AGP versions would be due to supply
> >> problems.
> >> I don't know about you, but any card higher than the X800 Pro was
almost
> >> impossible to stumble across where I live. Even the built-by-ATI X800
> > Pro's
> >> were uncommon. I suspect that by limiting these new cards to PCI-E
only,
> >> they would artificially eliminate supply problems by only catering to
the
> >> elite crowd which has PCI-E.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

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The X800XL is a native PCIe chipset; and ATi's PCIe-> AGP bridge chip is not
ready yet. As for the decision to produce a PCIe-native or AGP-native
chipset to begin with... The entire retail segment accounts for about 5% of
overall video card sales. Most new OEM systems are Intel-based, with PCIe
slots...

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
news:Xns95C094D217EA4tq96@127.0.0.1...
> NVidia is raking in fat profits with $220/$240 AGP 6600GT cards that
> should be $199 and you announce two killer cards (X800XL @ $299 and X800
at
> $199) for PCI-Express!
>
> There's a segment of the market here that's got loads of cash.