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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 11, 2004 6:50:58 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....

I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now the
computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have the
MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.

If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to the
computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it will
find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to my
main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I reboot
the computer using the wireless USB device.

I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of course,
MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the registry,
so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3) and now
device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.

I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is only
set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I activate
and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.

I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to continue
to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if they
would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the trick.

Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I might try
a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a suggestion
on how I get the device to continue to work without having to continuing to
reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
Carol
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 12, 2004 11:36:06 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Hi Carol,
Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband Network
Utilty.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:

>Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>
>I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now the
>computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have the
>MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.
>
>If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to the
>computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it will
>find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to my
>main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I reboot
>the computer using the wireless USB device.
>
>I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of course,
>MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the registry,
>so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3) and now
>device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>
>I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is only
>set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I activate
>and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>
>I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to continue
>to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if they
>would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the trick.
>
>Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I might try
>a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a suggestion
>on how I get the device to continue to work without having to continuing to
>reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
>Carol
>

--
Barb Bowman
Expert Zone Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 12, 2004 12:05:44 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC is. I
wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach and I'd
just a soon they not know I'm here too.
Carol

"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> Hi Carol,
> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband Network
> Utilty.
>
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >
> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now the
> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have the
> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.
> >
> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to the
> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it will
> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to my
> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
reboot
> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >
> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
course,
> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
registry,
> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3) and
now
> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >
> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is only
> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
activate
> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >
> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
continue
> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if they
> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the
trick.
> >
> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I might
try
> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
suggestion
> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to continuing
to
> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
> >Carol
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 12, 2004 12:10:34 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

OH... I tried to uninstall the software and set up the device using XP, but
the device will only let me use 40 or 104 bit WEP. Only with the software
can I get it to change over to 64/128. I tried it.
Carol

"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> Hi Carol,
> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband Network
> Utilty.
>
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >
> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now the
> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have the
> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.
> >
> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to the
> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it will
> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to my
> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
reboot
> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >
> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
course,
> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
registry,
> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3) and
now
> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >
> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is only
> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
activate
> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >
> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
continue
> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if they
> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the
trick.
> >
> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I might
try
> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
suggestion
> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to continuing
to
> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
> >Carol
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 12, 2004 9:55:01 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Carol,
Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and someone
else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427

I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
with your particular issue.


Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships with
the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows XP.


On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:

>Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC is. I
>wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach and I'd
>just a soon they not know I'm here too.
>Carol
>
>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
>> Hi Carol,
>> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
>> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
>> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband Network
>> Utilty.
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>> >
>> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now the
>> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have the
>> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.
>> >
>> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to the
>> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it will
>> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to my
>> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
>reboot
>> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
>> >
>> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
>course,
>> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
>registry,
>> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3) and
>now
>> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>> >
>> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is only
>> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
>activate
>> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>> >
>> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
>continue
>> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if they
>> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the
>trick.
>> >
>> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I might
>try
>> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
>suggestion
>> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to continuing
>to
>> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
>> >Carol
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Barb Bowman
>> Expert Zone Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>

--
Barb Bowman
Expert Zone Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 12, 2004 9:55:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Thanks Barb,
I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are already
equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held me back is
the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get everything
working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably resolve the
problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with. I've
heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better and easier
than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the networking
hardware business. That would mean that they might not be supporting it just
when I need the updates and support.

I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of broadcasting, I
just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that much
harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all the problem
that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others were easy
because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the settings
on the wireless device settings.

I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may give it a
try.... reluctantly.

Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
Carol

"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
> Carol,
> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and someone
> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
>
> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
>
http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
> with your particular issue.
>
>
> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships with
> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows XP.
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC is. I
> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach and I'd
> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
> >Carol
> >
> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> >> Hi Carol,
> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband Network
> >> Utilty.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >> >
> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now
the
> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have
the
> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.
> >> >
> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to
the
> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it
will
> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to
my
> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
> >reboot
> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >> >
> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
> >course,
> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
> >registry,
> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3)
and
> >now
> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >> >
> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is
only
> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
> >activate
> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >> >
> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
> >continue
> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if
they
> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the
> >trick.
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I
might
> >try
> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
> >suggestion
> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
continuing
> >to
> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
> >> >Carol
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Barb Bowman
> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 9:55:49 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may need
a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably be
more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But it
will cost more $$$.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:

>Thanks Barb,
>I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are already
>equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held me back is
>the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get everything
>working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably resolve the
>problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with. I've
>heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better and easier
>than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the networking
>hardware business. That would mean that they might not be supporting it just
>when I need the updates and support.
>
>I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of broadcasting, I
>just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that much
>harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all the problem
>that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others were easy
>because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the settings
>on the wireless device settings.
>
>I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may give it a
>try.... reluctantly.
>
>Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
>Carol
>
>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
>> Carol,
>> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
>> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and someone
>> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
>>
>> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
>> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
>> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
>> with your particular issue.
>>
>>
>> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships with
>> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows XP.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC is. I
>> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach and I'd
>> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
>> >Carol
>> >
>> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
>> >> Hi Carol,
>> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
>> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
>> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband Network
>> >> Utilty.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>> >> >
>> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now
>the
>> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have
>the
>> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless device.
>> >> >
>> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back to
>the
>> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it, it
>will
>> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back to
>my
>> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
>> >reboot
>> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
>> >course,
>> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
>> >registry,
>> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3)
>and
>> >now
>> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>> >> >
>> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device is
>only
>> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
>> >activate
>> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>> >> >
>> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
>> >continue
>> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if
>they
>> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do the
>> >trick.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I
>might
>> >try
>> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
>> >suggestion
>> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
>continuing
>> >to
>> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
>> >> >Carol
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Barb Bowman
>> Expert Zone Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>

--
Barb Bowman
Expert Zone Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 12:13:45 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Thanks Barb,
By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix things
that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)

BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter, I did
get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104 bit
WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128 bit. I
may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g" capability
AND it will have 128 bit WEP.

One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each computer
will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address might
change each time I boot the machine.

Thanks for all your help!
Carol


"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may need
> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably be
> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But it
> will cost more $$$.
>
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Barb,
> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
already
> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held me back
is
> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
everything
> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably resolve
the
> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with. I've
> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better and
easier
> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the networking
> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be supporting it
just
> >when I need the updates and support.
> >
> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
broadcasting, I
> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that much
> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all the
problem
> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others were
easy
> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
settings
> >on the wireless device settings.
> >
> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may give it
a
> >try.... reluctantly.
> >
> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
> >Carol
> >
> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
> >> Carol,
> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and someone
> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
> >>
> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
> >>
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
sp
> >> with your particular issue.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships with
> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows XP.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC
is. I
> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach and
I'd
> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
> >> >Carol
> >> >
> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> >> >> Hi Carol,
> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
Network
> >> >> Utilty.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now
> >the
> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have
> >the
> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
device.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back
to
> >the
> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it,
it
> >will
> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back
to
> >my
> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
> >> >reboot
> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
> >> >course,
> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
> >> >registry,
> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3)
> >and
> >> >now
> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device
is
> >only
> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
> >> >activate
> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
> >> >continue
> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if
> >they
> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do
the
> >> >trick.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I
> >might
> >> >try
> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
> >> >suggestion
> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
> >continuing
> >> >to
> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Barb Bowman
> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 3:51:20 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
(think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)


1 ASCII Character=8 Bits

1 HEX Character=4 Bits


40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters

40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters


104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters

104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters

so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
a-f and numbers 0-9

updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
than other vendors.

The MAC address of the adapters does not change.


On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:

>Thanks Barb,
>By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix things
>that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)
>
>BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter, I did
>get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104 bit
>WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128 bit. I
>may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g" capability
>AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
>
>One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each computer
>will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address might
>change each time I boot the machine.
>
>Thanks for all your help!
>Carol
>
>
>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
>> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
>> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may need
>> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
>> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
>> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably be
>> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But it
>> will cost more $$$.
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks Barb,
>> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
>already
>> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held me back
>is
>> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
>everything
>> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably resolve
>the
>> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with. I've
>> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better and
>easier
>> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the networking
>> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be supporting it
>just
>> >when I need the updates and support.
>> >
>> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
>broadcasting, I
>> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that much
>> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all the
>problem
>> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others were
>easy
>> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
>settings
>> >on the wireless device settings.
>> >
>> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may give it
>a
>> >try.... reluctantly.
>> >
>> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
>> >Carol
>> >
>> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
>> >> Carol,
>> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
>> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and someone
>> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
>> >>
>> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
>> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
>> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
>sp
>> >> with your particular issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships with
>> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows XP.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC
>is. I
>> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach and
>I'd
>> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
>> >> >Carol
>> >> >
>> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
>> >> >> Hi Carol,
>> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
>> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC to
>> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
>Network
>> >> >> Utilty.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128, now
>> >the
>> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I have
>> >the
>> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
>device.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go back
>to
>> >the
>> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall it,
>it
>> >will
>> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go back
>to
>> >my
>> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works, until I
>> >> >reboot
>> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but of
>> >> >course,
>> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from the
>> >> >registry,
>> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device (3)
>> >and
>> >> >now
>> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the device
>is
>> >only
>> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software can I
>> >> >activate
>> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us to
>> >> >continue
>> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice if
>> >they
>> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do
>the
>> >> >trick.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that I
>> >might
>> >> >try
>> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or a
>> >> >suggestion
>> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
>> >continuing
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
>> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Barb Bowman
>> Expert Zone Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>

--
Barb Bowman
Expert Zone Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 3:51:21 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

I have 128 WEP enabled on the router and my other computers, but I wasn't
able to enter the 26 characters into the WEP key settings and there wasn't
an option for ASCII or hex. Another weird thing, After installing the WZC on
that computer (in services it said it was auto and running, but there was no
wireless tab so I added it via the INF directory) once I did that, there was
a third network icon in my system tray, one for the BBN, one just said it
was the wireless connection, I could disable it or open network connections
and the new one gives me the option to view available networks. AND if that
weren't strange enough, if I open the network connections from the icon that
only gives me the option to do so (or disable), and right click on it, there
still in NO wireless tab in the adapter properties. BUT, If I open the
network connections by right clicking on the new icon in the system tray,
the one that gives me the added option to view available networks, and right
click on the (what appears to be the same) wireless connection, it has the
wireless tab. ALSO, if I just open the network properties, say via the
control panel, or that icon that doesn't have the available networks, in the
advanced tab, the firewall in NOT enabled BUT, If I open the network
connections with the new icon and right click the (what looks to be the
same) wireless connection, and go to the advanced tab, the firewall IS
enabled. I'm so confused... now I'm guessing you are pretty confused too!
Anyway, it is working, as long as I keep my SSID broadcasting (which I still
don't like), and all my computers can share with all my computers.
I'm going to read more of your site info and see if I can learn
something.... wishful thinking.
Carol

"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:p htoc0lvupaom6ppm23jphsre6thflmc1b@4ax.com...
> If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
> strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
> (think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)
>
>
> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
>
> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
>
>
> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
>
> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
>
>
> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
>
> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
>
> so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
> a-f and numbers 0-9
>
> updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
> than other vendors.
>
> The MAC address of the adapters does not change.
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Barb,
> >By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix
things
> >that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)
> >
> >BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter, I
did
> >get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104 bit
> >WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128 bit.
I
> >may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g"
capability
> >AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
> >
> >One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each
computer
> >will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address might
> >change each time I boot the machine.
> >
> >Thanks for all your help!
> >Carol
> >
> >
> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
> >> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
> >> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may need
> >> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
> >> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
> >> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably be
> >> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But it
> >> will cost more $$$.
> >>
> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks Barb,
> >> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
> >already
> >> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held me
back
> >is
> >> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
> >everything
> >> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably
resolve
> >the
> >> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with.
I've
> >> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better and
> >easier
> >> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the
networking
> >> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be supporting
it
> >just
> >> >when I need the updates and support.
> >> >
> >> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
> >broadcasting, I
> >> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that much
> >> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all the
> >problem
> >> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others
were
> >easy
> >> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
> >settings
> >> >on the wireless device settings.
> >> >
> >> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may give
it
> >a
> >> >try.... reluctantly.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
> >> >Carol
> >> >
> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
> >> >> Carol,
> >> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
> >> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and
someone
> >> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
> >> >>
> >> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
> >> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
> >> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b....
a
> >sp
> >> >> with your particular issue.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships
with
> >> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows
XP.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC
> >is. I
> >> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach
and
> >I'd
> >> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> Hi Carol,
> >> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> >> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC
to
> >> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
> >Network
> >> >> >> Utilty.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128,
now
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I
have
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
> >device.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go
back
> >to
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall
it,
> >it
> >> >will
> >> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go
back
> >to
> >> >my
> >> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works,
until I
> >> >> >reboot
> >> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but
of
> >> >> >course,
> >> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from
the
> >> >> >registry,
> >> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device
(3)
> >> >and
> >> >> >now
> >> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the
device
> >is
> >> >only
> >> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software
can I
> >> >> >activate
> >> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us
to
> >> >> >continue
> >> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice
if
> >> >they
> >> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do
> >the
> >> >> >trick.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that
I
> >> >might
> >> >> >try
> >> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or
a
> >> >> >suggestion
> >> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
> >> >continuing
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
> >> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Barb Bowman
> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 7:38:58 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

You have 3 icons:
1 is the BBN icon from the MS Software

1 is the wireless connection icon (the one that lets you view wireless
connections, etc)

1 is for a IGD (Internet Gateway Device) - i.e., the router - this is
shown because the router is UPnP.

(the last two icons look the same on SP1. in SP2, there will be a
change and these two will look different and will be less confusing)

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:32:19 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:

>I have 128 WEP enabled on the router and my other computers, but I wasn't
>able to enter the 26 characters into the WEP key settings and there wasn't
>an option for ASCII or hex. Another weird thing, After installing the WZC on
>that computer (in services it said it was auto and running, but there was no
>wireless tab so I added it via the INF directory) once I did that, there was
>a third network icon in my system tray, one for the BBN, one just said it
>was the wireless connection, I could disable it or open network connections
>and the new one gives me the option to view available networks. AND if that
>weren't strange enough, if I open the network connections from the icon that
>only gives me the option to do so (or disable), and right click on it, there
>still in NO wireless tab in the adapter properties. BUT, If I open the
>network connections by right clicking on the new icon in the system tray,
>the one that gives me the added option to view available networks, and right
>click on the (what appears to be the same) wireless connection, it has the
>wireless tab. ALSO, if I just open the network properties, say via the
>control panel, or that icon that doesn't have the available networks, in the
>advanced tab, the firewall in NOT enabled BUT, If I open the network
>connections with the new icon and right click the (what looks to be the
>same) wireless connection, and go to the advanced tab, the firewall IS
>enabled. I'm so confused... now I'm guessing you are pretty confused too!
>Anyway, it is working, as long as I keep my SSID broadcasting (which I still
>don't like), and all my computers can share with all my computers.
>I'm going to read more of your site info and see if I can learn
>something.... wishful thinking.
>Carol
>
>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:p htoc0lvupaom6ppm23jphsre6thflmc1b@4ax.com...
>> If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
>> strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
>> (think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)
>>
>>
>> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
>>
>> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
>>
>>
>> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
>>
>> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
>>
>>
>> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
>>
>> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
>>
>> so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
>> a-f and numbers 0-9
>>
>> updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
>> than other vendors.
>>
>> The MAC address of the adapters does not change.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks Barb,
>> >By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix
>things
>> >that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)
>> >
>> >BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter, I
>did
>> >get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104 bit
>> >WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128 bit.
>I
>> >may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g"
>capability
>> >AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
>> >
>> >One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each
>computer
>> >will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address might
>> >change each time I boot the machine.
>> >
>> >Thanks for all your help!
>> >Carol
>> >
>> >
>> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
>> >> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
>> >> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may need
>> >> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
>> >> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
>> >> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably be
>> >> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But it
>> >> will cost more $$$.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks Barb,
>> >> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
>> >already
>> >> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held me
>back
>> >is
>> >> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
>> >everything
>> >> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably
>resolve
>> >the
>> >> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with.
>I've
>> >> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better and
>> >easier
>> >> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the
>networking
>> >> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be supporting
>it
>> >just
>> >> >when I need the updates and support.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
>> >broadcasting, I
>> >> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that much
>> >> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all the
>> >problem
>> >> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others
>were
>> >easy
>> >> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
>> >settings
>> >> >on the wireless device settings.
>> >> >
>> >> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may give
>it
>> >a
>> >> >try.... reluctantly.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
>> >> >Carol
>> >> >
>> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
>> >> >> Carol,
>> >> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined from
>> >> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and
>someone
>> >> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC)
>> >> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as well
>> >> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b....
>a
>> >sp
>> >> >> with your particular issue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships
>with
>> >> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows
>XP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native WZC
>> >is. I
>> >> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within reach
>and
>> >I'd
>> >> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
>> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> Hi Carol,
>> >> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
>> >> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native WZC
>to
>> >> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
>> >Network
>> >> >> >> Utilty.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to 128,
>now
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up. I
>have
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
>> >device.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go
>back
>> >to
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall
>it,
>> >it
>> >> >will
>> >> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I go
>back
>> >to
>> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works,
>until I
>> >> >> >reboot
>> >> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive, but
>of
>> >> >> >course,
>> >> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from
>the
>> >> >> >registry,
>> >> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2), device
>(3)
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >now
>> >> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the
>device
>> >is
>> >> >only
>> >> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software
>can I
>> >> >> >activate
>> >> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force us
>to
>> >> >> >continue
>> >> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be nice
>if
>> >> >they
>> >> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way do
>> >the
>> >> >> >trick.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so that
>I
>> >> >might
>> >> >> >try
>> >> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful, or
>a
>> >> >> >suggestion
>> >> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
>> >> >continuing
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device numbers.
>> >> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Barb Bowman
>> Expert Zone Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>

--
Barb Bowman
Expert Zone Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 8:34:57 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Of course you would know all this stuff... I don't think there is much you
haven't had a chance to deal with.

I went out today and got the 700 series router and USB adapter. Any special
instructions I should know as I'm upgrading from the 500 series. I know that
a clean install is always better, but I also know it's next to impossible to
completely uninstall this stuff. You can't even delete it from the registry.
I'm going to go over the instructions and see how helpful it is. I've got to
tell you, I'm NERVOUS!
Carol

"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:64bpc091snqe2r9i10103gdlv8qhfvmt14@4ax.com...
> You have 3 icons:
> 1 is the BBN icon from the MS Software
>
> 1 is the wireless connection icon (the one that lets you view wireless
> connections, etc)
>
> 1 is for a IGD (Internet Gateway Device) - i.e., the router - this is
> shown because the router is UPnP.
>
> (the last two icons look the same on SP1. in SP2, there will be a
> change and these two will look different and will be less confusing)
>
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:32:19 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >I have 128 WEP enabled on the router and my other computers, but I wasn't
> >able to enter the 26 characters into the WEP key settings and there
wasn't
> >an option for ASCII or hex. Another weird thing, After installing the WZC
on
> >that computer (in services it said it was auto and running, but there was
no
> >wireless tab so I added it via the INF directory) once I did that, there
was
> >a third network icon in my system tray, one for the BBN, one just said it
> >was the wireless connection, I could disable it or open network
connections
> >and the new one gives me the option to view available networks. AND if
that
> >weren't strange enough, if I open the network connections from the icon
that
> >only gives me the option to do so (or disable), and right click on it,
there
> >still in NO wireless tab in the adapter properties. BUT, If I open the
> >network connections by right clicking on the new icon in the system tray,
> >the one that gives me the added option to view available networks, and
right
> >click on the (what appears to be the same) wireless connection, it has
the
> >wireless tab. ALSO, if I just open the network properties, say via the
> >control panel, or that icon that doesn't have the available networks, in
the
> >advanced tab, the firewall in NOT enabled BUT, If I open the network
> >connections with the new icon and right click the (what looks to be the
> >same) wireless connection, and go to the advanced tab, the firewall IS
> >enabled. I'm so confused... now I'm guessing you are pretty confused too!
> >Anyway, it is working, as long as I keep my SSID broadcasting (which I
still
> >don't like), and all my computers can share with all my computers.
> >I'm going to read more of your site info and see if I can learn
> >something.... wishful thinking.
> >Carol
> >
> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:p htoc0lvupaom6ppm23jphsre6thflmc1b@4ax.com...
> >> If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
> >> strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
> >> (think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)
> >>
> >>
> >> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
> >>
> >> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
> >>
> >>
> >> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
> >>
> >> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
> >>
> >>
> >> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
> >>
> >> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
> >>
> >> so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
> >> a-f and numbers 0-9
> >>
> >> updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
> >> than other vendors.
> >>
> >> The MAC address of the adapters does not change.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks Barb,
> >> >By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix
> >things
> >> >that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)
> >> >
> >> >BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter,
I
> >did
> >> >get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104
bit
> >> >WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128
bit.
> >I
> >> >may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g"
> >capability
> >> >AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
> >> >
> >> >One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each
> >computer
> >> >will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address
might
> >> >change each time I boot the machine.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for all your help!
> >> >Carol
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
> >> >> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
> >> >> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may
need
> >> >> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
> >> >> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
> >> >> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably
be
> >> >> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But
it
> >> >> will cost more $$$.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Thanks Barb,
> >> >> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
> >> >already
> >> >> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held
me
> >back
> >> >is
> >> >> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
> >> >everything
> >> >> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably
> >resolve
> >> >the
> >> >> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with.
> >I've
> >> >> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better
and
> >> >easier
> >> >> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the
> >networking
> >> >> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be
supporting
> >it
> >> >just
> >> >> >when I need the updates and support.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
> >> >broadcasting, I
> >> >> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that
much
> >> >> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all
the
> >> >problem
> >> >> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others
> >were
> >> >easy
> >> >> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
> >> >settings
> >> >> >on the wireless device settings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may
give
> >it
> >> >a
> >> >> >try.... reluctantly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> Carol,
> >> >> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined
from
> >> >> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and
> >someone
> >> >> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration
(WZC)
> >> >> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as
well
> >> >> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
..
> >a
> >> >sp
> >> >> >> with your particular issue.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships
> >with
> >> >> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows
> >XP.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native
WZC
> >> >is. I
> >> >> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within
reach
> >and
> >> >I'd
> >> >> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
> >> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> Hi Carol,
> >> >> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> >> >> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native
WZC
> >to
> >> >> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
> >> >Network
> >> >> >> >> Utilty.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to
128,
> >now
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up.
I
> >have
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
> >> >device.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go
> >back
> >> >to
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall
> >it,
> >> >it
> >> >> >will
> >> >> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I
go
> >back
> >> >to
> >> >> >my
> >> >> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works,
> >until I
> >> >> >> >reboot
> >> >> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive,
but
> >of
> >> >> >> >course,
> >> >> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from
> >the
> >> >> >> >registry,
> >> >> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2),
device
> >(3)
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >now
> >> >> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the
> >device
> >> >is
> >> >> >only
> >> >> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software
> >can I
> >> >> >> >activate
> >> >> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force
us
> >to
> >> >> >> >continue
> >> >> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be
nice
> >if
> >> >> >they
> >> >> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way
do
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >trick.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so
that
> >I
> >> >> >might
> >> >> >> >try
> >> >> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful,
or
> >a
> >> >> >> >suggestion
> >> >> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
> >> >> >continuing
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device
numbers.
> >> >> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Barb Bowman
> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 13, 2004 11:23:05 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

I did go to your web site and read the info you had on using both routers,
one as an access point. I decided just to replace the 500 with the 700. I
have one laptop that I think has an 802.11b but I'm not sure it isn't b/g,
none the less, I didn't want the extra stuff in my living room. My house
already looks pretty strange to most people, with all the wired and wireless
junk everywhere (not to mention my 5 computers, one not on the network) This
install was pretty painless with the router. I had a little problem with the
USB adapter because I was using the CD that came with the router and it only
had version 2.0 and didn't have the 710 even listed on it. Once I got the
other CD with version 2.1 drivers and the USB "g" drivers, I was up and
running. I know you said, and I read the stuff on none broadcasting the
SSID, but I feel a little more comfortable not broadcasting. I'm not
concerned about people driving by. I live in a pretty secluded area so I
don't really think there are going to be too many drive by scanners, but if
my "young" neighbors don't see me regularly, like I do them, I'm happier.
The new USB device seems to be working fine with the none broadcast SSID. I
did enable MAC filtering, as I read on your site.
Thanks Barb, for all your help and support. I'll tell you, we wouldn't know
what to do without you!!!
Carol

"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:64bpc091snqe2r9i10103gdlv8qhfvmt14@4ax.com...
> You have 3 icons:
> 1 is the BBN icon from the MS Software
>
> 1 is the wireless connection icon (the one that lets you view wireless
> connections, etc)
>
> 1 is for a IGD (Internet Gateway Device) - i.e., the router - this is
> shown because the router is UPnP.
>
> (the last two icons look the same on SP1. in SP2, there will be a
> change and these two will look different and will be less confusing)
>
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:32:19 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >I have 128 WEP enabled on the router and my other computers, but I wasn't

> >able to enter the 26 characters into the WEP key settings and there
wasn't
> >an option for ASCII or hex. Another weird thing, After installing the WZC
on
> >that computer (in services it said it was auto and running, but there was
no
> >wireless tab so I added it via the INF directory) once I did that, there
was
> >a third network icon in my system tray, one for the BBN, one just said it
> >was the wireless connection, I could disable it or open network
connections
> >and the new one gives me the option to view available networks. AND if
that
> >weren't strange enough, if I open the network connections from the icon
that
> >only gives me the option to do so (or disable), and right click on it,
there
> >still in NO wireless tab in the adapter properties. BUT, If I open the
> >network connections by right clicking on the new icon in the system tray,
> >the one that gives me the added option to view available networks, and
right
> >click on the (what appears to be the same) wireless connection, it has
the
> >wireless tab. ALSO, if I just open the network properties, say via the
> >control panel, or that icon that doesn't have the available networks, in
the
> >advanced tab, the firewall in NOT enabled BUT, If I open the network
> >connections with the new icon and right click the (what looks to be the
> >same) wireless connection, and go to the advanced tab, the firewall IS
> >enabled. I'm so confused... now I'm guessing you are pretty confused too!
> >Anyway, it is working, as long as I keep my SSID broadcasting (which I
still
> >don't like), and all my computers can share with all my computers.
> >I'm going to read more of your site info and see if I can learn
> >something.... wishful thinking.
> >Carol
> >
> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:p htoc0lvupaom6ppm23jphsre6thflmc1b@4ax.com...
> >> If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
> >> strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
> >> (think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)
> >>
> >>
> >> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
> >>
> >> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
> >>
> >>
> >> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
> >>
> >> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
> >>
> >>
> >> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
> >>
> >> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
> >>
> >> so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
> >> a-f and numbers 0-9
> >>
> >> updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
> >> than other vendors.
> >>
> >> The MAC address of the adapters does not change.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks Barb,
> >> >By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix
> >things
> >> >that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)
> >> >
> >> >BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter,
I
> >did
> >> >get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104
bit
> >> >WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128
bit.
> >I
> >> >may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g"
> >capability
> >> >AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
> >> >
> >> >One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each
> >computer
> >> >will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address
might
> >> >change each time I boot the machine.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for all your help!
> >> >Carol
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
> >> >> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
> >> >> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may
need
> >> >> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
> >> >> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
> >> >> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably
be
> >> >> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But
it
> >> >> will cost more $$$.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Thanks Barb,
> >> >> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
> >> >already
> >> >> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held
me
> >back
> >> >is
> >> >> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
> >> >everything
> >> >> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably
> >resolve
> >> >the
> >> >> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with.
> >I've
> >> >> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better
and
> >> >easier
> >> >> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the
> >networking
> >> >> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be
supporting
> >it
> >> >just
> >> >> >when I need the updates and support.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
> >> >broadcasting, I
> >> >> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that
much
> >> >> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all
the
> >> >problem
> >> >> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others
> >were
> >> >easy
> >> >> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
> >> >settings
> >> >> >on the wireless device settings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may
give
> >it
> >> >a
> >> >> >try.... reluctantly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> Carol,
> >> >> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined
from
> >> >> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and
> >someone
> >> >> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration
(WZC)
> >> >> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as
well
> >> >> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
..
> >a
> >> >sp
> >> >> >> with your particular issue.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships
> >with
> >> >> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows
> >XP.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native
WZC
> >> >is. I
> >> >> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within
reach
> >and
> >> >I'd
> >> >> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
> >> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> Hi Carol,
> >> >> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
> >> >> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native
WZC
> >to
> >> >> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
> >> >Network
> >> >> >> >> Utilty.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to
128,
> >now
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up.
I
> >have
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
> >> >device.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go
> >back
> >> >to
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall
> >it,
> >> >it
> >> >> >will
> >> >> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I
go
> >back
> >> >to
> >> >> >my
> >> >> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works,
> >until I
> >> >> >> >reboot
> >> >> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive,
but
> >of
> >> >> >> >course,
> >> >> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from
> >the
> >> >> >> >registry,
> >> >> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2),
device
> >(3)
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >now
> >> >> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the
> >device
> >> >is
> >> >> >only
> >> >> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software
> >can I
> >> >> >> >activate
> >> >> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force
us
> >to
> >> >> >> >continue
> >> >> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be
nice
> >if
> >> >> >they
> >> >> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way
do
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >trick.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so
that
> >I
> >> >> >might
> >> >> >> >try
> >> >> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful,
or
> >a
> >> >> >> >suggestion
> >> >> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
> >> >> >continuing
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device
numbers.
> >> >> >> >> >Carol
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Barb Bowman
> >> Expert Zone Columnist
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
> >
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
June 14, 2004 9:27:04 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

glad you got things running so quickly with your new hardware.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:23:05 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:

>I did go to your web site and read the info you had on using both routers,
>one as an access point. I decided just to replace the 500 with the 700. I
>have one laptop that I think has an 802.11b but I'm not sure it isn't b/g,
>none the less, I didn't want the extra stuff in my living room. My house
>already looks pretty strange to most people, with all the wired and wireless
>junk everywhere (not to mention my 5 computers, one not on the network) This
>install was pretty painless with the router. I had a little problem with the
>USB adapter because I was using the CD that came with the router and it only
>had version 2.0 and didn't have the 710 even listed on it. Once I got the
>other CD with version 2.1 drivers and the USB "g" drivers, I was up and
>running. I know you said, and I read the stuff on none broadcasting the
>SSID, but I feel a little more comfortable not broadcasting. I'm not
>concerned about people driving by. I live in a pretty secluded area so I
>don't really think there are going to be too many drive by scanners, but if
>my "young" neighbors don't see me regularly, like I do them, I'm happier.
>The new USB device seems to be working fine with the none broadcast SSID. I
>did enable MAC filtering, as I read on your site.
>Thanks Barb, for all your help and support. I'll tell you, we wouldn't know
>what to do without you!!!
>Carol
>
>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:64bpc091snqe2r9i10103gdlv8qhfvmt14@4ax.com...
>> You have 3 icons:
>> 1 is the BBN icon from the MS Software
>>
>> 1 is the wireless connection icon (the one that lets you view wireless
>> connections, etc)
>>
>> 1 is for a IGD (Internet Gateway Device) - i.e., the router - this is
>> shown because the router is UPnP.
>>
>> (the last two icons look the same on SP1. in SP2, there will be a
>> change and these two will look different and will be less confusing)
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:32:19 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have 128 WEP enabled on the router and my other computers, but I wasn't
>
>> >able to enter the 26 characters into the WEP key settings and there
>wasn't
>> >an option for ASCII or hex. Another weird thing, After installing the WZC
>on
>> >that computer (in services it said it was auto and running, but there was
>no
>> >wireless tab so I added it via the INF directory) once I did that, there
>was
>> >a third network icon in my system tray, one for the BBN, one just said it
>> >was the wireless connection, I could disable it or open network
>connections
>> >and the new one gives me the option to view available networks. AND if
>that
>> >weren't strange enough, if I open the network connections from the icon
>that
>> >only gives me the option to do so (or disable), and right click on it,
>there
>> >still in NO wireless tab in the adapter properties. BUT, If I open the
>> >network connections by right clicking on the new icon in the system tray,
>> >the one that gives me the added option to view available networks, and
>right
>> >click on the (what appears to be the same) wireless connection, it has
>the
>> >wireless tab. ALSO, if I just open the network properties, say via the
>> >control panel, or that icon that doesn't have the available networks, in
>the
>> >advanced tab, the firewall in NOT enabled BUT, If I open the network
>> >connections with the new icon and right click the (what looks to be the
>> >same) wireless connection, and go to the advanced tab, the firewall IS
>> >enabled. I'm so confused... now I'm guessing you are pretty confused too!
>> >Anyway, it is working, as long as I keep my SSID broadcasting (which I
>still
>> >don't like), and all my computers can share with all my computers.
>> >I'm going to read more of your site info and see if I can learn
>> >something.... wishful thinking.
>> >Carol
>> >
>> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:p htoc0lvupaom6ppm23jphsre6thflmc1b@4ax.com...
>> >> If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
>> >> strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
>> >> (think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
>> >>
>> >> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
>> >>
>> >> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
>> >>
>> >> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
>> >>
>> >> so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
>> >> a-f and numbers 0-9
>> >>
>> >> updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
>> >> than other vendors.
>> >>
>> >> The MAC address of the adapters does not change.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks Barb,
>> >> >By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix
>> >things
>> >> >that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter,
>I
>> >did
>> >> >get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104
>bit
>> >> >WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128
>bit.
>> >I
>> >> >may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g"
>> >capability
>> >> >AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
>> >> >
>> >> >One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each
>> >computer
>> >> >will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address
>might
>> >> >change each time I boot the machine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks for all your help!
>> >> >Carol
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
>> >> >> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
>> >> >> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may
>need
>> >> >> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
>> >> >> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
>> >> >> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably
>be
>> >> >> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But
>it
>> >> >> will cost more $$$.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Thanks Barb,
>> >> >> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
>> >> >already
>> >> >> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held
>me
>> >back
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
>> >> >everything
>> >> >> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably
>> >resolve
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with.
>> >I've
>> >> >> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better
>and
>> >> >easier
>> >> >> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the
>> >networking
>> >> >> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be
>supporting
>> >it
>> >> >just
>> >> >> >when I need the updates and support.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
>> >> >broadcasting, I
>> >> >> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that
>much
>> >> >> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all
>the
>> >> >problem
>> >> >> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others
>> >were
>> >> >easy
>> >> >> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
>> >> >settings
>> >> >> >on the wireless device settings.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may
>give
>> >it
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >try.... reluctantly.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
>> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> Carol,
>> >> >> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined
>from
>> >> >> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and
>> >someone
>> >> >> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
>> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration
>(WZC)
>> >> >> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as
>well
>> >> >> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/b...
>.
>> >a
>> >> >sp
>> >> >> >> with your particular issue.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships
>> >with
>> >> >> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows
>> >XP.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native
>WZC
>> >> >is. I
>> >> >> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within
>reach
>> >and
>> >> >I'd
>> >> >> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
>> >> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Carol,
>> >> >> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
>> >> >> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native
>WZC
>> >to
>> >> >> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
>> >> >Network
>> >> >> >> >> Utilty.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to
>128,
>> >now
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up.
>I
>> >have
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
>> >> >device.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go
>> >back
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall
>> >it,
>> >> >it
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I
>go
>> >back
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works,
>> >until I
>> >> >> >> >reboot
>> >> >> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive,
>but
>> >of
>> >> >> >> >course,
>> >> >> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >registry,
>> >> >> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2),
>device
>> >(3)
>> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >now
>> >> >> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the
>> >device
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >only
>> >> >> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software
>> >can I
>> >> >> >> >activate
>> >> >> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force
>us
>> >to
>> >> >> >> >continue
>> >> >> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be
>nice
>> >if
>> >> >> >they
>> >> >> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way
>do
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >trick.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so
>that
>> >I
>> >> >> >might
>> >> >> >> >try
>> >> >> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful,
>or
>> >a
>> >> >> >> >suggestion
>> >> >> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
>> >> >> >continuing
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device
>numbers.
>> >> >> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Barb Bowman
>> Expert Zone Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>

--
Barb Bowman
Expert Zone Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
MS-MVP (Windows)
!