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glad you got things running so quickly with your new hardware.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:23:05 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>I did go to your web site and read the info you had on using both routers,
>one as an access point. I decided just to replace the 500 with the 700. I
>have one laptop that I think has an 802.11b but I'm not sure it isn't b/g,
>none the less, I didn't want the extra stuff in my living room. My house
>already looks pretty strange to most people, with all the wired and wireless
>junk everywhere (not to mention my 5 computers, one not on the network) This
>install was pretty painless with the router. I had a little problem with the
>USB adapter because I was using the CD that came with the router and it only
>had version 2.0 and didn't have the 710 even listed on it. Once I got the
>other CD with version 2.1 drivers and the USB "g" drivers, I was up and
>running. I know you said, and I read the stuff on none broadcasting the
>SSID, but I feel a little more comfortable not broadcasting. I'm not
>concerned about people driving by. I live in a pretty secluded area so I
>don't really think there are going to be too many drive by scanners, but if
>my "young" neighbors don't see me regularly, like I do them, I'm happier.
>The new USB device seems to be working fine with the none broadcast SSID. I
>did enable MAC filtering, as I read on your site.
>Thanks Barb, for all your help and support. I'll tell you, we wouldn't know
>what to do without you!!!
>Carol
>
>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:64bpc091snqe2r9i10103gdlv8qhfvmt14@4ax.com...
>> You have 3 icons:
>> 1 is the BBN icon from the MS Software
>>
>> 1 is the wireless connection icon (the one that lets you view wireless
>> connections, etc)
>>
>> 1 is for a IGD (Internet Gateway Device) - i.e., the router - this is
>> shown because the router is UPnP.
>>
>> (the last two icons look the same on SP1. in SP2, there will be a
>> change and these two will look different and will be less confusing)
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:32:19 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have 128 WEP enabled on the router and my other computers, but I wasn't
>
>> >able to enter the 26 characters into the WEP key settings and there
>wasn't
>> >an option for ASCII or hex. Another weird thing, After installing the WZC
>on
>> >that computer (in services it said it was auto and running, but there was
>no
>> >wireless tab so I added it via the INF directory) once I did that, there
>was
>> >a third network icon in my system tray, one for the BBN, one just said it
>> >was the wireless connection, I could disable it or open network
>connections
>> >and the new one gives me the option to view available networks. AND if
>that
>> >weren't strange enough, if I open the network connections from the icon
>that
>> >only gives me the option to do so (or disable), and right click on it,
>there
>> >still in NO wireless tab in the adapter properties. BUT, If I open the
>> >network connections by right clicking on the new icon in the system tray,
>> >the one that gives me the added option to view available networks, and
>right
>> >click on the (what appears to be the same) wireless connection, it has
>the
>> >wireless tab. ALSO, if I just open the network properties, say via the
>> >control panel, or that icon that doesn't have the available networks, in
>the
>> >advanced tab, the firewall in NOT enabled BUT, If I open the network
>> >connections with the new icon and right click the (what looks to be the
>> >same) wireless connection, and go to the advanced tab, the firewall IS
>> >enabled. I'm so confused... now I'm guessing you are pretty confused too!
>> >Anyway, it is working, as long as I keep my SSID broadcasting (which I
>still
>> >don't like), and all my computers can share with all my computers.
>> >I'm going to read more of your site info and see if I can learn
>> >something.... wishful thinking.
>> >Carol
>> >
>> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news
htoc0lvupaom6ppm23jphsre6thflmc1b@4ax.com...
>> >> If you are running XP SP1/1a, the key length determine the encryption
>> >> strength. MS wanted to simplify it and "just make it work" in SP1
>> >> (think of 40 and 64 as the same and 104/128 as the same)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
>> >>
>> >> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
>> >>
>> >> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
>> >>
>> >> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
>> >>
>> >> so to enable 128 bit WEP, enter 26 characters comprise of the letters
>> >> a-f and numbers 0-9
>> >>
>> >> updates to fix things - MS has always been slower to release updates
>> >> than other vendors.
>> >>
>> >> The MAC address of the adapters does not change.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks Barb,
>> >> >By support, I really was more concerned about possible updates to fix
>> >things
>> >> >that come up. For tech support I have these boards and you
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW, I didn't have WZC options on that computer with the USB adapter,
>I
>> >did
>> >> >get it going, but still, the device itself is only capable of 40/104
>bit
>> >> >WEP. The setup has to be done through the BBN to be able to use 128
>bit.
>> >I
>> >> >may get the MN-7?? USB adapter, just so that I will have the "g"
>> >capability
>> >> >AND it will have 128 bit WEP.
>> >> >
>> >> >One more question, I enabled MAC filtering, I'm guessing that each
>> >computer
>> >> >will keep the same MAC address. I guess I thought that the address
>might
>> >> >change each time I boot the machine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks for all your help!
>> >> >Carol
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:jp8oc0tc0a5tesv1n7u62ddr7ololm186f@4ax.com...
>> >> >> Microsoft IS leaving the wifi network hardware business. They've
>> >> >> stated there will be support for a while but if you feel you may
>need
>> >> >> a lot of official support (I've seen you recently in the dedicated
>> >> >> newsgroup so you already know about that) you may want to look
>> >> >> elsewhere. The latest version of the Linksys G router will probably
>be
>> >> >> more upgradeable and be supported longer than the MS hardware. But
>it
>> >> >> will cost more $$$.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:22:48 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Thanks Barb,
>> >> >> >I'm considering getting "g" router and USB adapter. My laptops are
>> >> >already
>> >> >> >equipped with b/g wireless capability. The only thing that's held
>me
>> >back
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >the fear that I'll have connection problems and not be able get
>> >> >everything
>> >> >> >working. I heard some real horror stories, but it will probably
>> >resolve
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >problem with the existing USB adapter I'm having the problem with.
>> >I've
>> >> >> >heard the firewall on the mn-700 is pretty good, but is it better
>and
>> >> >easier
>> >> >> >than the Linksys? AND I heard that MS is getting out of the
>> >networking
>> >> >> >hardware business. That would mean that they might not be
>supporting
>> >it
>> >> >just
>> >> >> >when I need the updates and support.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'm going to check out your articles on the pros and cons of
>> >> >broadcasting, I
>> >> >> >just thought that, as long as I'm harder to see, it makes me that
>much
>> >> >> >harder to get into. I'd change my WEP periodically, but with all
>the
>> >> >problem
>> >> >> >that is causing with the MS device, I'm leery to do so. The others
>> >were
>> >> >easy
>> >> >> >because I didn't need any special software, I could just change the
>> >> >settings
>> >> >> >on the wireless device settings.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I heard that Costco carries the MN-700 and USB adapter, so I may
>give
>> >it
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >try.... reluctantly.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thanks for you input, I really appreciate it!!
>> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:qgumc0loa95nsjhu34jve65j3o4nd744ks@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> Carol,
>> >> >> >> Hiding the SSID broadcast won't stop someone who is determined
>from
>> >> >> >> sniffing out your network. Also, if you are hiding yours and
>> >someone
>> >> >> >> else is broadcasting theirs, there are issues. See
>> >> >> >>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've written several columns about Wireless Zero Configuration
>(WZC)
>> >> >> >> and there are some Cable Guy columns on the MS technet site as
>well
>> >> >> >> that cover this. Here's one of mine that might help you
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/bowman/02december16
>.
>> >a
>> >> >sp
>> >> >> >> with your particular issue.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Bottom line is don't use the Broadband Network Utility that ships
>> >with
>> >> >> >> the USB wireless to configure your wireless settings. Use Windows
>> >XP.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:05:44 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Barb, I'm running XP on all computers. I don't know what native
>WZC
>> >> >is. I
>> >> >> >> >wanted to hide the SSID because I see other networks within
>reach
>> >and
>> >> >I'd
>> >> >> >> >just a soon they not know I'm here too.
>> >> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >news:8gqlc0lv8d4lu8fr5o74rscqsgm8hfkqke@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Carol,
>> >> >> >> >> Don't stop/hide the broadcast of the SSID on the base station.
>> >> >> >> >> What operating system are you using? If XP you can use native
>WZC
>> >to
>> >> >> >> >> configure the settings and don't have to run the MS Broadband
>> >> >Network
>> >> >> >> >> Utilty.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:50:58 -0700, "Keppy" <keppy@msn.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Not that this is a big surprise, this piece of.....
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I changed my network name and increased the WEP from 64 to
>128,
>> >now
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >computer that uses the USB wireless device is all messed up.
>I
>> >have
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >MN5?? wireless 802.11b router and the matching USB wireless
>> >> >device.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >If I go back to my main computer and display my SSID, then go
>> >back
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >computer with the USB device and UNinstall it, then reinstall
>> >it,
>> >> >it
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >> >> >find the network and connect with "good" connection. Then I
>go
>> >back
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >> >main computer and not display my SSID and everything works,
>> >until I
>> >> >> >> >reboot
>> >> >> >> >> >the computer using the wireless USB device.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I've uninstalled it, removed everything from my hard drive,
>but
>> >of
>> >> >> >> >course,
>> >> >> >> >> >MS has decided not to allow me to remove the device info from
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >registry,
>> >> >> >> >> >so every time I reinstall I have device (1), device (2),
>device
>> >(3)
>> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >now
>> >> >> >> >> >device (4), all of which do not last past a single boot.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I can't use the device without the MS software because the
>> >device
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >only
>> >> >> >> >> >set up for 40 & 104 bit WEP, only with the installed software
>> >can I
>> >> >> >> >activate
>> >> >> >> >> >and use the 128 bit WEP on that computer.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I understand MS's need to own our computers so they can force
>us
>> >to
>> >> >> >> >continue
>> >> >> >> >> >to with their products once we get started, but it would be
>nice
>> >if
>> >> >> >they
>> >> >> >> >> >would provide me with a working device that will even 1/2 way
>do
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >trick.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Anyway, any suggestions on how to get rid of everything so
>that
>> >I
>> >> >> >might
>> >> >> >> >try
>> >> >> >> >> >a clean install of the device and software would be helpful,
>or
>> >a
>> >> >> >> >suggestion
>> >> >> >> >> >on how I get the device to continue to work without having to
>> >> >> >continuing
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >reinstall it. Eventually I'm going to run out of device
>numbers.
>> >> >> >> >> >Carol
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> >> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> Expert Zone Columnist
>> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> MS-MVP (Windows)
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Barb Bowman
>> Expert Zone Columnist
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>
--
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
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