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Paul:
To realize PIP, a second TV woder pro PCI card need to be added.
How do you hook up the audio? Does your system has two sound cards? what if
you don't have two sound cards?
"Paul Murphy" <p_murphynothanks@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Fair enough to present the other side of the coin but AIW Radeons *DO*
> support watching one channel while recording another with a TV Wonder
> (incl Pro & VE models) in the machine as well - they call it MulTView and
> it also does this: Picture-in-Picture (PiP), Picture-outside-Picture (PoP)
> and Watch one channel while channel surfing. Its true that AIWs don't do
> hardware MPEG encoding and don't support MCE 2005 but then ATI has the
> eHome Wonder for those (the eHome Wonder will ONLY run under MCE though).
> Anyone looking for an MCE 2005 machine would be well advised to buy
> hardware specifically for the machine anyway rather than trying to convert
> an existing machine over to run the OS. Interestingly, a review on a MCE
> 2005 machine I read about on the web, found that the CPU usage during
> standard TV playback (not even recording was quite high (20% ish from
> memory) and this was on a Pentium 4. I really don't think that hardware
> MPEG encoding makes that much difference to CPU utilisation with modern
> high speed CPUs. Besides, when people are watching TV on their PCs,
> they're usually not doing other things as well to task the CPU. I do
> understand dislikes of equipment which drain CPU resources though. I steer
> well clear of modems which are controllerless (eg Winmodems) and
> softmodems which use the CPU to perform varying levels of their own work.
>
> Although most AIWs don't support dual monitors, a second (PCI) VGA card
> could always be installed if this is essential.
>
> Paul
>
> "I discuss" <lleaf-delete.this-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Some AIW disadvantages spring to mind too:
>>
>> - No hardware MPEG encoding
>> - Does not support Microsoft MCE 2005 edition
>> - Does not support watching one TV channel while recording another one,
>> even if you have an additional TV wonder Pro PCI installed
>> - Does not support DVI + VGA dual monitor setup (maybe AIW x800 will, but
>> not any of its AGP or PCI predecessors).
>>
>>
>>
>> "Paul Murphy" <p_murphynothanks@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41d15866$0$14622$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>>> Since Leo's in the habit of keeping video cards for 5 years - I'm not
>>> sure looking at the upgradeability of the card should be high up the
>>> priority list. Besides, anyone upgrading cards will get more for an AIW
>>> second-hand so the actual loss would be low. Its just like if you buy a
>>> car with all the bells and whistles, you tend to get more for it when
>>> you sell it - and you get to take advantage of the creature comforts in
>>> the mean time. ATI are renowned for putting out press releases for new
>>> products well before they hit store shelves (and even then in many
>>> countries, the equivalent 3rd party ATI Partner made products never
>>> arrive at all - who's ever seen a Universal PAL/SECAM version of the TV
>>> Wonder Pro PCI card for example).
>>>
>>> The good thing about such delays (at least in the case of the AIW X800)
>>> is that it will give the prospective buyer time to go out and remortgage
>>> the house in order to afford it! I have 3 AIW Radeons (2 x original 32
>>> MB versions and an 8500DV) and although I'm considering a new card the
>>> fact that the AIW X800 only includes the old Theatre 200 chipset and not
>>> the new Theatre 550 Pro is off-putting - not that there's anything wrong
>>> with AIW video quality though. Having had a couple of separate TV Tuner
>>> cards in the past (I even have an eHome Wonder in another machine
>>> currently), I believe the advantages to an AIW setup (the ability to use
>>> MulTView with a TV Wonder (Pro - if you can get them where you are), no
>>> need to use a separate PCI slot, lower PCI bus traffic and no need for
>>> another IRQ to be used spring to mind immediately) far outweigh any
>>> disadvantage regarding purchasing/selling flexibility.
>>>
>>> The X800 has been reviewed on the web - albeit perhaps without actual
>>> examples in the reviewers hands - they don't say. Here's one from
>>> HEXUS.net that Leo could look at
>>> http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04NTI=
>>> . Some time with a search engine would turn up additional results.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:EbCdnXPqkJ4t5E3cRVn-hg@rogers.com...
>>>> Just get a separate PCI tuner card like ATi's TV Wonder or LeadTek's
>>>> WinfastTV. No point in compromising 3D capability just for the AIW
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>> A separate tuner card will also survive multiple video card upgrades,
>>>> so you
>>>> don't have to redundantly spend money for AIW features.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
>>>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
>>>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Leo" <leo_eddy@telus.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ecd033a5.0412271036.77b766f7@posting.google.com...
>>>>> Does anyone have a clue when the ALL-IN-WONDER X800 will be really on
>>>>> sale. I can't believe ATI announced this card in Sept. and have still
>>>>> not produced even one for sale or review! The last rumour I heard was
>>>>> late December. Well its late December....and nothing. I have the
>>>>> original All In Wonder Radeon and although it has done yeoman service
>>>>> for 5 years its starting to show its age. I even own a copy of Half
>>>>> Life 2 but have not bothered to download it as my old card just will
>>>>> not do it justice. So if anyone one has hard facts on this case let me
>>>>> know. If ATI used the "launch" as a smoke screen then I'll give up my
>>>>> quest and buy the All In Wonder 9800 pro.
>
>
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