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Anonymous
May 24, 2005 2:35:35 PM

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I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions given on the
website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html

I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the heading: "secure
file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated Users, advanced, I
do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to unselect.

Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this particular
procedure in greater detail or correct the author's instructions, or explain
why this will not work for me?

much thanks,
boogy
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 3:59:28 PM

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How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in Windows
XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418


How inheritance affects file and folder permissions
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/window...

See...
If the check boxes appear shaded

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:6EFF04C8-5B67-420E-9095-0FCB766779FE@microsoft.com,
boogy <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions given on the
> website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html
>
> I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the heading: "secure
> file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated Users,
> advanced, I do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to
> unselect.
>
> Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this particular
> procedure in greater detail or correct the author's instructions, or
> explain why this will not work for me?
>
> much thanks,
> boogy
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 3:59:29 PM

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The whole trouble is, I do not even see the "Inherit from parent permission
checkbox..." to unselect it.

-Boogy

"Wesley Vogel" wrote:

> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in Windows
> XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418
>
>
> How inheritance affects file and folder permissions
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/window...
>
> See...
> If the check boxes appear shaded
>
> --
> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>
> Wes
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> In news:6EFF04C8-5B67-420E-9095-0FCB766779FE@microsoft.com,
> boogy <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> > I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions given on the
> > website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html
> >
> > I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the heading: "secure
> > file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated Users,
> > advanced, I do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to
> > unselect.
> >
> > Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this particular
> > procedure in greater detail or correct the author's instructions, or
> > explain why this will not work for me?
> >
> > much thanks,
> > boogy
>
>
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Anonymous
May 24, 2005 5:10:21 PM

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> The whole trouble is, I do not even see the "Inherit from parent
> permission
> checkbox..." to unselect it.


Is the drive formatted NTFS?


hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE

"boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FCD6AC4-8332-4C2F-A186-1D0E0339E5EB@microsoft.com...
> The whole trouble is, I do not even see the "Inherit from parent
> permission
> checkbox..." to unselect it.
>
> -Boogy
>
> "Wesley Vogel" wrote:
>
>> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in
>> Windows
>> XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418
>>
>>
>> How inheritance affects file and folder permissions
>> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/window...
>>
>> See...
>> If the check boxes appear shaded
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>
>> Wes
>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>
>> In news:6EFF04C8-5B67-420E-9095-0FCB766779FE@microsoft.com,
>> boogy <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
>> > I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions given on
>> > the
>> > website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html
>> >
>> > I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the heading:
>> > "secure
>> > file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated Users,
>> > advanced, I do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to
>> > unselect.
>> >
>> > Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this particular
>> > procedure in greater detail or correct the author's instructions, or
>> > explain why this will not work for me?
>> >
>> > much thanks,
>> > boogy
>>
>>
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 5:10:22 PM

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Of course

"Danny Sanders" wrote:

> > The whole trouble is, I do not even see the "Inherit from parent
> > permission
> > checkbox..." to unselect it.
>
>
> Is the drive formatted NTFS?
>
>
> hth
> DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
>
> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FCD6AC4-8332-4C2F-A186-1D0E0339E5EB@microsoft.com...
> > The whole trouble is, I do not even see the "Inherit from parent
> > permission
> > checkbox..." to unselect it.
> >
> > -Boogy
> >
> > "Wesley Vogel" wrote:
> >
> >> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in
> >> Windows
> >> XP
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418
> >>
> >>
> >> How inheritance affects file and folder permissions
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/window...
> >>
> >> See...
> >> If the check boxes appear shaded
> >>
> >> --
> >> Hope this helps. Let us know.
> >>
> >> Wes
> >> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
> >>
> >> In news:6EFF04C8-5B67-420E-9095-0FCB766779FE@microsoft.com,
> >> boogy <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> >> > I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions given on
> >> > the
> >> > website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html
> >> >
> >> > I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the heading:
> >> > "secure
> >> > file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated Users,
> >> > advanced, I do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to
> >> > unselect.
> >> >
> >> > Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this particular
> >> > procedure in greater detail or correct the author's instructions, or
> >> > explain why this will not work for me?
> >> >
> >> > much thanks,
> >> > boogy
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 7:07:17 PM

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"boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6EFF04C8-5B67-420E-9095-0FCB766779FE@microsoft.com...
> I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions
> given on the
> website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html
>
> I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the
> heading: "secure
> file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated
> Users, advanced, I
> do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to
> unselect.
>
> Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this
> particular
> procedure in greater detail or correct the author's
> instructions, or explain
> why this will not work for me?
>
> much thanks,
> boogy
>

You might want to take a look here:

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/books/itpro/feature/1...

The Advanced button is on the Security page shown in figure 3.
That button launches Advanced Security Settings which is shown in
figure 4. Notice the check box for "Inherit from parent...".

Nepatsfan
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 7:07:18 PM

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Yes, I know where the advanced button is; the thing is after I click the
advanced button as suggested on the website mentioned and follow the
instructions explictly, the checkbox for "Inherit from parent permission..."
is simply not there. It's not that it is greyed out, it is not there...

-Boogy

"Nepatsfan" wrote:

> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6EFF04C8-5B67-420E-9095-0FCB766779FE@microsoft.com...
> > I've been trying to secure my XP Pro install per instructions
> > given on the
> > website: http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html
> >
> > I'm running into trouble with the instructions under the
> > heading: "secure
> > file and folder permissions" after selecting Authenticated
> > Users, advanced, I
> > do not see "Inherit from parent permission checkbox to
> > unselect.
> >
> > Can you direct me to a Microsoft website that explains this
> > particular
> > procedure in greater detail or correct the author's
> > instructions, or explain
> > why this will not work for me?
> >
> > much thanks,
> > boogy
> >
>
> You might want to take a look here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/books/itpro/feature/1...
>
> The Advanced button is on the Security page shown in figure 3.
> That button launches Advanced Security Settings which is shown in
> figure 4. Notice the check box for "Inherit from parent...".
>
> Nepatsfan
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 8:15:57 PM

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"boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F2BF68BD-EB73-41B0-8B5F-ACCCDF5FB901@microsoft.com...
> Yes, I know where the advanced button is; the thing is after I
> click the
> advanced button as suggested on the website mentioned and
> follow the
> instructions explictly, the checkbox for "Inherit from parent
> permission..."
> is simply not there. It's not that it is greyed out, it is not
> there...
>
> -Boogy

I just went back and read the article you posted. I think the
problem stems from the fact that he starts at the root of drive
C. He then wants you to prevent permissions from being inherited
from a parent. Think about it. The root of a drive doesn't have a
parent to inherit permissions from.

If you really want to implement his suggestions you might want to
start applying them to the folders that are contained within C.


Nepatsfan
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 8:15:58 PM

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Hmmm...Makes sense.
Can I select all folders contained in contained in the root and do them all
at the same time?

Thanks,
-Boogy

"Nepatsfan" wrote:

>
> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F2BF68BD-EB73-41B0-8B5F-ACCCDF5FB901@microsoft.com...
> > Yes, I know where the advanced button is; the thing is after I
> > click the
> > advanced button as suggested on the website mentioned and
> > follow the
> > instructions explictly, the checkbox for "Inherit from parent
> > permission..."
> > is simply not there. It's not that it is greyed out, it is not
> > there...
> >
> > -Boogy
>
> I just went back and read the article you posted. I think the
> problem stems from the fact that he starts at the root of drive
> C. He then wants you to prevent permissions from being inherited
> from a parent. Think about it. The root of a drive doesn't have a
> parent to inherit permissions from.
>
> If you really want to implement his suggestions you might want to
> start applying them to the folders that are contained within C.
>
>
> Nepatsfan
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 9:47:24 PM

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"boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BB4E28EF-DAB5-470E-B582-D80C92BD5F6D@microsoft.com...
> Hmmm...Makes sense.
> Can I select all folders contained in contained in the root and
> do them all
> at the same time?
>
> Thanks,
> -Boogy

Disable permission inheritance on each individual folder. I think
you'll find that a number of folders (e.g. Windows, Documents and
Settings) already have that box unchecked.

After having looked over that web site, I've got to pass along a
few observations. Before you decide to encrypt any files located
on your computer do a Google search for this topic: Can't access
encrypted files. Encrypting files is overkill for the average
user. Instead, use NTFS permissions to secure files. I also think
you're going to find that some of his suggestions are way too
restrictive.

Good luck

Nepatsfan

> "Nepatsfan" wrote:
>
>>
>> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F2BF68BD-EB73-41B0-8B5F-ACCCDF5FB901@microsoft.com...
>> > Yes, I know where the advanced button is; the thing is after
>> > I
>> > click the
>> > advanced button as suggested on the website mentioned and
>> > follow the
>> > instructions explictly, the checkbox for "Inherit from
>> > parent
>> > permission..."
>> > is simply not there. It's not that it is greyed out, it is
>> > not
>> > there...
>> >
>> > -Boogy
>>
>> I just went back and read the article you posted. I think the
>> problem stems from the fact that he starts at the root of
>> drive
>> C. He then wants you to prevent permissions from being
>> inherited
>> from a parent. Think about it. The root of a drive doesn't
>> have a
>> parent to inherit permissions from.
>>
>> If you really want to implement his suggestions you might want
>> to
>> start applying them to the folders that are contained within
>> C.
>>
>>
>> Nepatsfan
>>
>>
>>
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 9:47:25 PM

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Can you explain what you mean by using NTFS to secure files and the procedure
involved in doing so?

Although I have been using XP for years, I only recently became only
concerned with security settings. In the last few months, I have watched my
adm password be altered, various files implanted on partitions I do not use
for downloads, and other exploits.

If you can suggest better resource for handling this, I'd appreciate it. I
know there is a new book coming out on XP security by Bott, but it is not due
to be released until 6/2005.

Thanks for your help,
-Boogy


"Nepatsfan" wrote:

>
> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BB4E28EF-DAB5-470E-B582-D80C92BD5F6D@microsoft.com...
> > Hmmm...Makes sense.
> > Can I select all folders contained in contained in the root and
> > do them all
> > at the same time?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Boogy
>
> Disable permission inheritance on each individual folder. I think
> you'll find that a number of folders (e.g. Windows, Documents and
> Settings) already have that box unchecked.
>
> After having looked over that web site, I've got to pass along a
> few observations. Before you decide to encrypt any files located
> on your computer do a Google search for this topic: Can't access
> encrypted files. Encrypting files is overkill for the average
> user. Instead, use NTFS permissions to secure files. I also think
> you're going to find that some of his suggestions are way too
> restrictive.
>
> Good luck
>
> Nepatsfan
>
> > "Nepatsfan" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:F2BF68BD-EB73-41B0-8B5F-ACCCDF5FB901@microsoft.com...
> >> > Yes, I know where the advanced button is; the thing is after
> >> > I
> >> > click the
> >> > advanced button as suggested on the website mentioned and
> >> > follow the
> >> > instructions explictly, the checkbox for "Inherit from
> >> > parent
> >> > permission..."
> >> > is simply not there. It's not that it is greyed out, it is
> >> > not
> >> > there...
> >> >
> >> > -Boogy
> >>
> >> I just went back and read the article you posted. I think the
> >> problem stems from the fact that he starts at the root of
> >> drive
> >> C. He then wants you to prevent permissions from being
> >> inherited
> >> from a parent. Think about it. The root of a drive doesn't
> >> have a
> >> parent to inherit permissions from.
> >>
> >> If you really want to implement his suggestions you might want
> >> to
> >> start applying them to the folders that are contained within
> >> C.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nepatsfan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 12:39:39 AM

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"boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3C458439-48DE-4B31-A2AC-08A3E124BD71@microsoft.com...
> Can you explain what you mean by using NTFS to secure files and
> the procedure
> involved in doing so?
>
> Although I have been using XP for years, I only recently became
> only
> concerned with security settings. In the last few months, I
> have watched my
> adm password be altered, various files implanted on partitions
> I do not use
> for downloads, and other exploits.
>
> If you can suggest better resource for handling this, I'd
> appreciate it. I
> know there is a new book coming out on XP security by Bott, but
> it is not due
> to be released until 6/2005.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> -Boogy
>

"Using NTFS to secure files" is what you were doing when you ran
into the permission inheritance problem. My mentioning it was
only to point out that it is a much safer alternative to file
encryption. Avoid EFS unless you want to lose your files. Use
NTFS file permissions to restrict access to your personal files.
That's what I meant.

Instead of resources, I'm going to pass along some suggestions.
First, post a new question to this group. Outline the problems
you've encountered recently. Ask for suggestions on ways to make
your computer more secure. Here's what my answer would include:

1. Buy a router. I don't care if you've only got one computer,
put a NAT router between it and the internet. Some models by
Netgear, D-Link, Linksys or Belkin are available for less than
$20 after rebates. I'm using a Netgear Wireless G router that
cost me $10 + the cost of a postage stamp after rebates.

2. Use a software firewall other than the one built into Windows.
Besides the programs available from companies such as Symantec
and McAfee there are a number of free ones available like Zone
Alarm, Kerio and Sygate.

3. Make sure you are running a recent release of an updated
antivirus program, nothing earlier than 2004. Make sure you're
using the latest versions of AdAware, Spybot S & D and
SpywareBlaster. Run weekly scans with all these applications.

4. Use a password on your Windows account and make sure it is
hard to guess but easy to remember. If you must create a password
reset disk keep it in a secure location.

5. Create two accounts for yourself. One would be a Computer
Administrator and would only be used to perform adminstrative
tasks. The other would be a Limited account and would be used in
day to day operations. Leave the built-in Adminstrator account
for emergency use only.

6. Backup anything you can't afford to lose. And, after you back
it up, check to make sure that what you think is there is really
there. I use an external USB hard drive to make an image of
what's on my main computer's HD. I run an automatic backup
overnight on a weekly basis. Even if you only have a CD burner,
use it to backup your personal files.

Those are starting points. Any other security measures are up to
you.

Good luck

Nepatsfan
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 9:31:07 AM

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with the exception of using a software firewall, which I justed strated
doing, I have been doing all these things right along. I have a wireless
router, yada, yada, yada.

You threw me a curve with the NTFS thing. I did not plan to implement the
encryption method discussed on that webpage I referred to; but you seemed to
indicate the overall recommendations mentioned on that page were a bit
overkill if I understood you correctly.

After find this webpage, and after the experiences I encountered, I felt
maybe some advanced security techniques were in order. Like I said earlier,
these problems I have been running into, only started in the last few months
or so.

I have reformated my system partition and installed a fresh copy, even
though the old system seemed to be working fine. I scan for viruses and
spyware on a regular basis (lately twice a week) and have tested security at
websites such as www.grc.com, etc.

I'm just at my wits end as to what else I can do, short of getting out of
this virtual world and back to reality :) 

Incidently, I tried securing folders in the root and am still having the
same problem I originally posted about where the "inherit" check box does not
appear. In the window above that each user is marked as not inherited, so
i'm wondering how important it is to follow this guy's procedure. You seem
to know what you're doing, can I ask what procedure you follow to secure
files and folders with NTFS?

Again, thanks for all your help,

-Boogy
"Nepatsfan" wrote:

> "boogy" <boogy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3C458439-48DE-4B31-A2AC-08A3E124BD71@microsoft.com...
> > Can you explain what you mean by using NTFS to secure files and
> > the procedure
> > involved in doing so?
> >
> > Although I have been using XP for years, I only recently became
> > only
> > concerned with security settings. In the last few months, I
> > have watched my
> > adm password be altered, various files implanted on partitions
> > I do not use
> > for downloads, and other exploits.
> >
> > If you can suggest better resource for handling this, I'd
> > appreciate it. I
> > know there is a new book coming out on XP security by Bott, but
> > it is not due
> > to be released until 6/2005.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > -Boogy
> >
>
> "Using NTFS to secure files" is what you were doing when you ran
> into the permission inheritance problem. My mentioning it was
> only to point out that it is a much safer alternative to file
> encryption. Avoid EFS unless you want to lose your files. Use
> NTFS file permissions to restrict access to your personal files.
> That's what I meant.
>
> Instead of resources, I'm going to pass along some suggestions.
> First, post a new question to this group. Outline the problems
> you've encountered recently. Ask for suggestions on ways to make
> your computer more secure. Here's what my answer would include:
>
> 1. Buy a router. I don't care if you've only got one computer,
> put a NAT router between it and the internet. Some models by
> Netgear, D-Link, Linksys or Belkin are available for less than
> $20 after rebates. I'm using a Netgear Wireless G router that
> cost me $10 + the cost of a postage stamp after rebates.
>
> 2. Use a software firewall other than the one built into Windows.
> Besides the programs available from companies such as Symantec
> and McAfee there are a number of free ones available like Zone
> Alarm, Kerio and Sygate.
>
> 3. Make sure you are running a recent release of an updated
> antivirus program, nothing earlier than 2004. Make sure you're
> using the latest versions of AdAware, Spybot S & D and
> SpywareBlaster. Run weekly scans with all these applications.
>
> 4. Use a password on your Windows account and make sure it is
> hard to guess but easy to remember. If you must create a password
> reset disk keep it in a secure location.
>
> 5. Create two accounts for yourself. One would be a Computer
> Administrator and would only be used to perform adminstrative
> tasks. The other would be a Limited account and would be used in
> day to day operations. Leave the built-in Adminstrator account
> for emergency use only.
>
> 6. Backup anything you can't afford to lose. And, after you back
> it up, check to make sure that what you think is there is really
> there. I use an external USB hard drive to make an image of
> what's on my main computer's HD. I run an automatic backup
> overnight on a weekly basis. Even if you only have a CD burner,
> use it to backup your personal files.
>
> Those are starting points. Any other security measures are up to
> you.
>
> Good luck
>
> Nepatsfan
>
>
>
>
>
!