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I'm really happy w/my present system (Barton @ 2.33Ghz, NF7s v2.0, 1GB DDR3200,
9800Pro) but it would be nice to get a faster video card. What I mean by faster
here is a vid-card at least twice as fast as my overclocked 9800 Pro. Has ATI
officially abandoned AGP for it's high-end vid cards? Has Nvidia also obsoleted
AGP?
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

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It seems like the new PCs are all going to PCI Express, and if so I
think AGP is doomed.

That said, you do have some head room to grow, the ATI X800XT PE is AGP
and it's a good 2x faster than what you have depending on what you are
doing (that's what Tomshardware.com 3DMark2003 tests show anyway). I
splurged and got one since my former video card was very old, and I
love it. They even have it doing automatic overclocking based on
temperature sensing!

The price will drop in the next 6 months for it, as it's a little hard
to get now (I got mine at allstarshop.com), I got an OEM one it was in
stock.

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Wblane wrote:
>Has ATI officially abandoned AGP for it's high-end vid cards? Has Nvidia also obsoleted
> AGP?

No both companies will continue to make high-end cards but they will be
bridged PCI-Express>AGP.But nVidia uses a low-quality bridge that they
developed in 2 months and ATI is trying to create the best bridge
possible.The bridge is due to come out in late February and all ATIs
high-end cards are going to become AGP ready.
My recommendation is a Radeon X800 XL.

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> It seems like the new PCs are all going to PCI Express, and if so I
> think AGP is doomed.

Ya think?

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>They even have it doing automatic overclocking based on
> temperature sensing!

This feature is mostly useless by most accounts. I'd overclock it
manually.

rms

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"me" <donawalt@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105653782.132739.260010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> It seems like the new PCs are all going to PCI Express, and if so I
> think AGP is doomed.
>
> That said, you do have some head room to grow, the ATI X800XT PE is AGP
> and it's a good 2x faster than what you have depending on what you are
> doing (that's what Tomshardware.com 3DMark2003 tests show anyway). I
> splurged and got one since my former video card was very old, and I
> love it. They even have it doing automatic overclocking based on
> temperature sensing!
>
> The price will drop in the next 6 months for it, as it's a little hard
> to get now (I got mine at allstarshop.com), I got an OEM one it was in
> stock.
>

I wouldn't say doomed as much as will slowly be grandfathered out. Virtually
every PC out there has an AGP slot in it, so there's still lots of people
willing to upgrade, which in business terms means a profitable opportunity.
From the sounds of it, it may be possible to add a bridge chip to make the
PCI-Express video card architecture compatible with AGP architecture. In
short, this basically means manufacturers won't have to develop a separate
AGP and PCI-E card. Just add the bridge chip to an AGP PCB and away you go.
Cheap for manufacturers, and they can offer the best of both worlds. See the
article at Tom's Hardware:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/g [...] ie-10.html

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McQualude wrote:
>>It seems like the new PCs are all going to PCI Express, and if so I
>>think AGP is doomed.
>
>
> Ya think?

Not any time soon, still have 99.9% of users to upgrade to PCI Express
from AGP. Why rush? Don't see any X800XT PE PCI Express cards, nor many
6800 Ultra solutions either. Not going to downgrade the graphics, just
to jump on the nForce4 SLI bandwagon, either are many others IMHO

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Minotaur wrote:

> McQualude wrote:
>>>It seems like the new PCs are all going to PCI Express, and if so I
>>>think AGP is doomed.
>>
>>
>> Ya think?
>
> Not any time soon, still have 99.9% of users to upgrade to PCI Express
> from AGP. Why rush? Don't see any X800XT PE PCI Express cards, nor many
> 6800 Ultra solutions either.

Huh? Froogle shows about 270 hits for "6800 Ultra AGP" and about 460 for
"6800 Ultra PCI Express", and about the same number of "X800XT PE PCI
Express" as "X800XT PE AGP".

> Not going to downgrade the graphics, just
> to jump on the nForce4 SLI bandwagon, either are many others IMHO

What does "the nForce4 SLI bandwagon" have to do with anything? Intel has
decreed that AGP is dead, and unless something radical happens in the PC
market that's the way it's going to be. Nforce4 is a reaction to Intel,
nothing more--the SLI capability is probably an afterthought--they just
split one PCI x16 slot into 2 x8s.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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That's some good news. So I won't have to dump my NF7s v2.0 just yet? I do have
a Mobile Athlon 2600+ I just bought for the system, but I haven't bothered to
put it in.

Is Doom2 bottlenecked more by the vid-card or the CPU in my system (I have a
gig of dual channel RAM @ 200 Mhz. and a Barton @ 2.33Ghz and an overclocked
9800Pro)

>That said, you do have some head room to grow, the ATI X800XT PE is AGP
>and it's a good 2x faster than what you have depending on what you are
>doing (that's what Tomshardware.com 3DMark2003 tests show anyway). I
>splurged and got one since my former video card was very old, and I
>love it. They even have it doing automatic overclocking based on
>temperature sensing!
>
>The price will drop in the next 6 months for it, as it's a little hard
>to get now (I got mine at allstarshop.com), I got an OEM one it was in
>stock.


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

I don't know if you know that the ATI X1950 Pro is coming out with AGP. Limited supply but that should change

Why would the X1950 come out in AGP if the X1900 isn't in AGP? X1650 is about as new as it comes form the ATi camp (now AMD of course).

I haven't seen any new AGP cards in a good while. Quadro with standing, the newest AGP car is the 7800 GS.... nVidia has gone through the 79 and 8 series since then. No new chipsets come with AGP, they are an after thought that *few* manufacturers put in as a hook to budget conscious people. In reality you are going ot have to bite the bullet and upgrade to a PCI-e system. It made its debut nearly 3 years ago and has swept through the market place. Notebooks are based on PCI-e now, all new cards are designed for PCI-e.

I really wouldn't bet on any new AGP cards. A stray 8600 may hit AGP, but I severely doubt it. The AGP socket just can't provide enough power and bandwidth to the card. I'm sorry to say... AGP is dead.

The X1950 PRO is out on AGP.
http://www.powercolor.com/global/m [...] asp?id=137
http://www.visiontek.com/products/ [...] o_AGP.html
http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/pro [...] =168&grp=2
http://www.gecube.com/products-det [...] d_id=63640
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] gp_review/

If you read the review at Firingsquad, they make some good points as to why a person might want such a card as this. I don't know why ATI has come back to the AGP slot with a performance card, only they know how many requests they've received. They don't do something like this because they're nice, they saw a profit point and went after it. With all of the flux in the platforms, why upgrade a (then) high end AGP system with one that you won't be able to upgrade. Like many of the reviews have said, this card will get you another year on your AGP system....then....AM3, C2D w/1333, GDDR3, quad cores, etc......

As to why there were no cards based on the X1900, maybe because those were high end cards, not ~$200 cards?

BTW, the X1950 Pro AGP kicks the 7800 GS AGP around except for Quake4. While the 7800 GS is a "crippled" card, the 1950 Pro is a full featured, up-to-date card.

Good spot, I stand corrected.

I honestly just browsed newegg and didn't see anything really that new for sale under the AGP section. Clearly, I was wrong.

ATi has made some weird decisions as of late, this X9150 Pro AGP being one of them. I am not sure why we can't just get rid of AGP 8O

AGP IS dead, but for many of us, it's easier to come up with $200 then to replace our ENTIRE system.

(edit) BTW, this test seems to show that there is no performance boost (at this level) from AGP to PCI-e. There are advantages to PCI-e, I know, and it has more room to grow. Did Intel change the interface just to make people buy new??????????? Could they not have accomplished the same thing with AGP 4.0????????????

I'd love to see a test of a OC'd Athlon XP system vs. say a X2 3800+ with similar RAM amounts and the X1950 Pro.