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June 4, 2005 7:24:36 PM

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I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home. Been
using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks like
there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if the
Norton utilities are worth it. I do like having the Anti-virus that warns me
when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
and update virus definitions each day? Any program better and if so why?
What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I
need?

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June 4, 2005 7:24:37 PM

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figaro wrote:

> I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home.
> Been using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I
> mostly used utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web
> site it looks like there are plenty of maintenance tools that come
> with it so I wonder if the Norton utilities are worth it. I do like
> having the Anti-virus that warns me when one is coming in the email.
> Does XP have a feature that will do this and update virus definitions
> each day? Any program better and if so why? What about the firewall
> that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I need?

You do not need the Utilities (SystemWorks) type of program on XP. You
must have an antivirus program. You will have a hard time finding a
tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more. I use
F-Prot on my Windows machines, but there are many other antivirus
programs. Another popular one is EZ-Trust by Computer Associates. Your
new computer may very well come with a trial version of either Norton
or McAfee. You can use that for a while and see if like it. Or download
a trial version from some other company.

The Windows XP Firewall is OK. It does not do outbound filtering and is
very good for users who don't want to be questioned by their firewall
as to whether some program is allowed to access the Internet. If you
are a more sophisticated user, then both ZoneAlarm and Sygate have good
firewalls that are free for personal use. Only you know what kind of
user you are. If you go for a third-party firewall, make sure you
disable the Windows Firewall.

In any case, do not connect a Windows machine to the Internet without a
firewall and antivirus in place.

Malke
--
MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic"
Anonymous
June 4, 2005 7:24:37 PM

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figaro wrote:
> I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home. Been
> using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
> utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks like
> there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if the
> Norton utilities are worth it.


Once a useful utility suite, back in the days of MS-DOS, when Peter
Norton was more than a picture on the box, Norton Utilities have been
becoming increasingly useless and redundant over the years. There's
little offered by NU that WinXP cannot already do natively. And some of
Systemworks's features, like CrashGuard and CleanSweep (if they're still
included) cause far more problems then they prevent.


>I do like having the Anti-virus that warns me
> when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
> and update virus definitions each day?


No, WinXP - like every other modern operating system - has no antivirus
protection built-in. You'll need to add the antivirus application of
your choice.

Given today's widely-publicized and well-known hostile Internet
environment, only a fool or a masochist would go on-line without both a
firewall and antivirus protection. Such basic precautions are the
computing equivalents of wearing seatbelt while driving or riding in an
automobile - they're there to prevent/reduce the damage if an accident
should occur.

I used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton Internet
Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP, all
without any significant problems. I had used McAfee prior to that.
But it's been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee
products. Their quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they
were acquired by Network Associates.


> Any program better and if so why?


When my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton Internet
Security 2002 came up for renewal (at a cost substantially higher than
the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less expensive
solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of GriSoft's AVG
(http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ) and the free version of
Sygate's Personal Firewall (http://smb.sygate.com/free/default.php ).
Both have proven to be easily installed, easy to use, and quite
effective. Additionally, I was pleasantly surprised to see a small but
very noticeable improvement in my PC's performance, once I'd replaced
the Symantec products.


> What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I
> need?
>
>


WinXP's built-in firewall is adequate at stopping incoming attacks,
and hiding your ports from probes. What WinXP SP2's firewall does not
do, is protect you from any Trojans or spyware that you (or someone
else using your computer) might download and install inadvertently.
It doesn't monitor out-going traffic at all, other than to check for
IP-spoofing, much less block (or at even ask you about) the bad or the
questionable out-going signals. It assumes that any application you
have on your hard drive is there because you want it there, and
therefore has your "permission" to access the Internet. Further,
because the Windows Firewall is a "stateful" firewall, it will also
assume that any incoming traffic that's a direct response to a
Trojan's or spyware's out-going signal is also authorized.

ZoneAlarm, Kerio, or Sygate are all much better than WinXP's
built-in firewall, and are much more easily configured, and there are
free versions of each readily available. Even the commercially
available Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall is superior by far,
although it does take a heavier toll of system performance then do
ZoneAlarm or Sygate.



--

Bruce Chambers

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Anonymous
June 4, 2005 7:49:35 PM

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"figaro" wrote:

> I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home. Been
> using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
> utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks like
> there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if the
> Norton utilities are worth it. I do like having the Anti-virus that warns me
> when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
> and update virus definitions each day? Any program better and if so why?
> What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I
> need?

You don't need any third party system utilities with XP. It already has
everything you need to maintain and optimize performance and stability. You
will not get any improvement with third party tools, and in many cases, you
will actually go backwards. So avoid them. Instead, learn how to maintain
and optimize your computer using XP's own tools, especially chkdsk, Disk
Cleanup, Disk Defragmenter, and System Event Viewer. Moreover, make sure you
install SP2 at default settings and keep Windows fully updated.

As for antivirus, I would recommend either Trend Micro or E-Trust, probably
in that order. Norton is okay, but you'll take a greater performance hit.

Ken
Anonymous
June 4, 2005 8:45:24 PM

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I have found that Norton is not the product that many believe it is. It is
slooooow to install and bogs down your system. In addition, it doesn't even
do as good of a job at catching all the viruses, spyware, adware is purports
itself to be able to catch.

I use ZoneAlarm Pro. (which is anti-virus and firewall all in one) and it
works like a charm.


"Malke" <notreally@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> figaro wrote:
>
>> I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home.
>> Been using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I
>> mostly used utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web
>> site it looks like there are plenty of maintenance tools that come
>> with it so I wonder if the Norton utilities are worth it. I do like
>> having the Anti-virus that warns me when one is coming in the email.
>> Does XP have a feature that will do this and update virus definitions
>> each day? Any program better and if so why? What about the firewall
>> that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I need?
>
> You do not need the Utilities (SystemWorks) type of program on XP. You
> must have an antivirus program. You will have a hard time finding a
> tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more. I use
> F-Prot on my Windows machines, but there are many other antivirus
> programs. Another popular one is EZ-Trust by Computer Associates. Your
> new computer may very well come with a trial version of either Norton
> or McAfee. You can use that for a while and see if like it. Or download
> a trial version from some other company.
>
> The Windows XP Firewall is OK. It does not do outbound filtering and is
> very good for users who don't want to be questioned by their firewall
> as to whether some program is allowed to access the Internet. If you
> are a more sophisticated user, then both ZoneAlarm and Sygate have good
> firewalls that are free for personal use. Only you know what kind of
> user you are. If you go for a third-party firewall, make sure you
> disable the Windows Firewall.
>
> In any case, do not connect a Windows machine to the Internet without a
> firewall and antivirus in place.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic"
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 10:35:09 AM

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Depending if you will be getting an OEM version of winxp, norton usually
comes pre installed. That is, a computer company version of windowsxp.
If you buy winxp, yes you will need to get an anti virus. Without
trying to sound too hatefull, Norton bites. That is just my opinion
though. It integrates into your system way too much, slows everything
down, and defines OVERATED. The windows firewall will get you through
but i do recommend zone alarm. Also Fix it utilities is an awsome all
in one, registry cleaner, editor, defrag, disk fix, cleaner, and most
of all, Anti virus. You can find it for around 30 to 35 dollars and
unlike Norton, you only have to update\buy new version about every 4
years. I have used it for 6 years and it's awesome. Norton wants you to
buy buy and buy, Bye Bye! There are free anti virus programs also but
fix it anti virus is awesome.


--
PCDaddyPosted from http://www.pcreview.co.uk/ newsgroup access
June 5, 2005 10:35:10 AM

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I have used Noton Utilities and Anti Virus since the first release of Windows
95.

I stopped using it at the time of the release of Windows XP.

1. It slows down the boot up process so much as to be a nuisance
2. It offers nothing better than found in XP itslef and Freeware Anti Viru
such as AVG Free
3. I have found that when attempting to uninstall or reinstall the software
on other machines, well it's quicker to rebuild!

As you can see, once I loved them now I H8 the products.

However Ghost is a great product to buy for disk imaging / backup of your
whole hard disk drive.

"PCDaddy" wrote:

>
> Depending if you will be getting an OEM version of winxp, norton usually
> comes pre installed. That is, a computer company version of windowsxp.
> If you buy winxp, yes you will need to get an anti virus. Without
> trying to sound too hatefull, Norton bites. That is just my opinion
> though. It integrates into your system way too much, slows everything
> down, and defines OVERATED. The windows firewall will get you through
> but i do recommend zone alarm. Also Fix it utilities is an awsome all
> in one, registry cleaner, editor, defrag, disk fix, cleaner, and most
> of all, Anti virus. You can find it for around 30 to 35 dollars and
> unlike Norton, you only have to update\buy new version about every 4
> years. I have used it for 6 years and it's awesome. Norton wants you to
> buy buy and buy, Bye Bye! There are free anti virus programs also but
> fix it anti virus is awesome.
>
>
> --
> PCDaddyPosted from http://www.pcreview.co.uk/ newsgroup access
>
>
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 12:26:13 PM

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You are partially correct that XP has some maintainance utitlites. Further,
my own experience with Norton is that some of utilites/features are "greyed
out" under XP, but work fine under 98 (and probably ME).

Of all the utilites available with Norton System Works 2003, the only one I
still use with any frequency is call "WinDoctor", which checks the registry
for errors and fixes them.

The Norton disk checker seems to do no more than the XP utility called
CHKDSK, which you can run from the recovery console on the XP CD, or from
within XP, although a reboot is usually required for the utility to do its
job. Info on the recovery console:

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_rec.htm



http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxprcons.htm



http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy33.htm (near bottom)


The Norton defragger is also somewhat faster than the XP defragger (a lite
version of Diskeeper), but I have found that a competing product called
PerfectDisk is faster still (after the first usage).

The Norton disk cleaner seems no better than the one built into XP, and
there are several freeware cleaners than are superior to either. My
favorite is CCleaner: http://www.ccleaner.com/ Additionally, this program
has some registry cleaning capabilites, but I have not used those options.

The Norton unerase wizard does a lot less under XP than it did under 98 (and
probaly under ME). ince I have FAT32 partitions, I keep a old Norton
Utilities CD around for recovery ouside of XP. There are also some freeware
programs that can recover files under XP. PCInspector is pretty good:
http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/UK/welcome.htm

Under win98, Norton used to have its oen registry editor, with backup
capabilities. nder XP i has none, so I use XP's own REGEDIT utility. I
also use a registry backup/restore utility call WinRescueXP. Additioanlly,
I occassionally make a partition image (all of C:) . For this I used to use
Norton GHOST, but hae founf Acronis True Image more convenient, faster, and
more reliable when external USB and firewire dvices are used as places to
store an image.

As for antivirus, you **MUST** have one of those, since XP come without any
antivirus program. I like Norton, but others swear by McAfee.
Additionally, there are several free antivirus programs. Check the
downloads offerred at an info page called Major Geeks:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/

As for a firewall, that is a good idea with dialup and essentially a
requirement with broadband. The XP firewall is better than nothing, but it
only blocks incoming attacks. It does not prevent unauthorized programs
that sneak onto your PC from sending information out. The Norton firewall
is pretty good, and protects both ways. However, I prefer a freeware
product call Zone Alarm: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
You will need to wander through a few pages that offer non-free software to
find the free download. After that is installed, it will ask once whether
you want to upgrade to a non-free version with more capabilities and/or its
own antivirus. Note that as with any two-way firewall, you will need to
"train" it to allow some programs to contact the internet. The Zone Alarm
popups are easy to understand and you can check "always" before clicking
aloow or deny. You can also manally change setings from a convenient
screen. If you continue to deal with Norton/Symantec, you may need to
manually add their web address (www.symantec.com) in the Zone Alarm list of
trusted sites in order for the LiveUpdate feature of Norton to funcion
correctly.

"figaro" <mail@umfleet.net> wrote in message
news:el4PyMUaFHA.1384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home. Been
> using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
> utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks
> like
> there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if the
> Norton utilities are worth it. I do like having the Anti-virus that warns
> me
> when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
> and update virus definitions each day? Any program better and if so why?
> What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all
> I
> need?
>
>
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 4:08:59 PM

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To counter what BAR has posted;

I maintain a medium sized network approaching 300 computers. Norton is
installed on each. I also have it installed on my 5 home computers. In no
instance has it slowed downs the boot process on any of these machines.

Norton offers more frequent updates, worm scanning, and a heuristic pattern
recognition engine that is not offered by AVG or Avast.

There is an uninstall utility on the Symantec website that will completely
remove an installation of any Norton product from version 2003 and above.

So, as you can see, there are many sides to each issue.

Bobby


"BAR" <BAR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2A222696-71EA-444B-8342-F848040BC1E6@microsoft.com...
>I have used Noton Utilities and Anti Virus since the first release of
>Windows
> 95.
>
> I stopped using it at the time of the release of Windows XP.
>
> 1. It slows down the boot up process so much as to be a nuisance
> 2. It offers nothing better than found in XP itslef and Freeware Anti
> Viru
> such as AVG Free
> 3. I have found that when attempting to uninstall or reinstall the
> software
> on other machines, well it's quicker to rebuild!
>
> As you can see, once I loved them now I H8 the products.
>
> However Ghost is a great product to buy for disk imaging / backup of your
> whole hard disk drive.
>
> "PCDaddy" wrote:
>
>>
>> Depending if you will be getting an OEM version of winxp, norton usually
>> comes pre installed. That is, a computer company version of windowsxp.
>> If you buy winxp, yes you will need to get an anti virus. Without
>> trying to sound too hatefull, Norton bites. That is just my opinion
>> though. It integrates into your system way too much, slows everything
>> down, and defines OVERATED. The windows firewall will get you through
>> but i do recommend zone alarm. Also Fix it utilities is an awsome all
>> in one, registry cleaner, editor, defrag, disk fix, cleaner, and most
>> of all, Anti virus. You can find it for around 30 to 35 dollars and
>> unlike Norton, you only have to update\buy new version about every 4
>> years. I have used it for 6 years and it's awesome. Norton wants you to
>> buy buy and buy, Bye Bye! There are free anti virus programs also but
>> fix it anti virus is awesome.
>>
>>
>> --
>> PCDaddyPosted from http://www.pcreview.co.uk/ newsgroup access
>>
>>
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 4:32:55 PM

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"figaro" <mail@umfleet.net> wrote in message
news:el4PyMUaFHA.1384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home. Been
> using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
> utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks
> like
> there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if the
> Norton utilities are worth it. I do like having the Anti-virus that warns
> me
> when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
> and update virus definitions each day? Any program better and if so why?
> What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all
> I
> need?
>
>

Make sure you have a firewall up and running prior to plugging in your
internet
connection? If you don't, you will likely be "infected" within seconds to a
couple of minutes after you turn on your computer - even though you never go
to a web site. If you are on a dial up connection as opposed to DSL or cable
you are a bit safer - marginally!

Install a GOOD firewall - one that blocks unwanted outbound traffic as well
as unwanted inbound traffic. Then when something tries to connect, out of
the ordinary, you will be flagged. At that point you can disallow that
particular instance either once or permanently.

If you want a better firewall than the one that is supplied with Windows XP,
ZoneAlarm (free) from
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/catalog/products/...


You will want to keep your system free of infestations of viruses, spyware,
dialers, key
loggers etc.

HINT: Don't ever go clicking things just because a web site, e-mail, popup
or
rogue desktop background tells you to! If you are not 101% certain what an
action will
do - don't perform that action.

Download, install, update and frequently run the following:

If you don't have any antivirus installed, AVG Antivirus (free) from
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5

Ad-Aware (free) from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

SpyBot Search and Destroy (free) from
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

Microsoft Anti Spyware (free) from
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/softwa...

And exercise control over your clicking finger!


--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
Anonymous
June 5, 2005 4:42:11 PM

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And by the way, nobody needs Norton. I say this although I have every
version of either Norton Utilities, Norton SystemWorks and Norton AntiVirus
available for the past 12 years, up to NSW 2005.

I have changed over to ZoneAlarm Security Suite and unless they it screw up,
I am never going back!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%234sX6weaFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>
> "figaro" <mail@umfleet.net> wrote in message
> news:el4PyMUaFHA.1384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home.
>>Been
>> using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
>> utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks
>> like
>> there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if
>> the
>> Norton utilities are worth it. I do like having the Anti-virus that warns
>> me
>> when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
>> and update virus definitions each day? Any program better and if so why?
>> What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all
>> I
>> need?
>>
>>
>
> Make sure you have a firewall up and running prior to plugging in your
> internet
> connection? If you don't, you will likely be "infected" within seconds to
> a
> couple of minutes after you turn on your computer - even though you never
> go to a web site. If you are on a dial up connection as opposed to DSL or
> cable you are a bit safer - marginally!
>
> Install a GOOD firewall - one that blocks unwanted outbound traffic as
> well
> as unwanted inbound traffic. Then when something tries to connect, out of
> the ordinary, you will be flagged. At that point you can disallow that
> particular instance either once or permanently.
>
> If you want a better firewall than the one that is supplied with Windows
> XP,
> ZoneAlarm (free) from
> http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/catalog/products/...
>
>
> You will want to keep your system free of infestations of viruses,
> spyware, dialers, key
> loggers etc.
>
> HINT: Don't ever go clicking things just because a web site, e-mail, popup
> or
> rogue desktop background tells you to! If you are not 101% certain what an
> action will
> do - don't perform that action.
>
> Download, install, update and frequently run the following:
>
> If you don't have any antivirus installed, AVG Antivirus (free) from
> http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5
>
> Ad-Aware (free) from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
>
> SpyBot Search and Destroy (free) from
> http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
>
> Microsoft Anti Spyware (free) from
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/softwa...
>
> And exercise control over your clicking finger!
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
Anonymous
June 6, 2005 11:13:24 AM

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NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> To counter what BAR has posted;
>
> I maintain a medium sized network approaching 300 computers. Norton is
> installed on each. I also have it installed on my 5 home computers. In no
> instance has it slowed downs the boot process on any of these machines.
>


Are you actually using the consumer-grade Norton Anti-virus on a
corporate LAN, or are you using Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition?
There's a vast difference between the two products, and the way they
behave; their respective impact upon a PC's performance isn't at all the
same. (I support a somewhat larger LAN (4200 workstations) using
SAV-CE, with no problems, but wouldn't recommend the home product to
anyone.)



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH
Anonymous
June 6, 2005 12:19:05 PM

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Not using Corporate products. They are retail box with multi-license packs.

Bobby

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
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> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
>> To counter what BAR has posted;
>>
>> I maintain a medium sized network approaching 300 computers. Norton is
>> installed on each. I also have it installed on my 5 home computers. In
>> no instance has it slowed downs the boot process on any of these
>> machines.
>>
>
>
> Are you actually using the consumer-grade Norton Anti-virus on a corporate
> LAN, or are you using Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? There's a vast
> difference between the two products, and the way they behave; their
> respective impact upon a PC's performance isn't at all the same. (I
> support a somewhat larger LAN (4200 workstations) using SAV-CE, with no
> problems, but wouldn't recommend the home product to anyone.)
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
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Anonymous
June 7, 2005 12:20:09 AM

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> You will have a hard time finding a
>> tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more.

Reasons being? Please explain...

Malke wrote:
> figaro wrote:
>
>
>>I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home.
>>Been using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I
>>mostly used utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web
>>site it looks like there are plenty of maintenance tools that come
>>with it so I wonder if the Norton utilities are worth it. I do like
>>having the Anti-virus that warns me when one is coming in the email.
>>Does XP have a feature that will do this and update virus definitions
>>each day? Any program better and if so why? What about the firewall
>>that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I need?
>
>
> You do not need the Utilities (SystemWorks) type of program on XP. You
> must have an antivirus program. You will have a hard time finding a
> tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more. I use
> F-Prot on my Windows machines, but there are many other antivirus
> programs. Another popular one is EZ-Trust by Computer Associates. Your
> new computer may very well come with a trial version of either Norton
> or McAfee. You can use that for a while and see if like it. Or download
> a trial version from some other company.
>
> The Windows XP Firewall is OK. It does not do outbound filtering and is
> very good for users who don't want to be questioned by their firewall
> as to whether some program is allowed to access the Internet. If you
> are a more sophisticated user, then both ZoneAlarm and Sygate have good
> firewalls that are free for personal use. Only you know what kind of
> user you are. If you go for a third-party firewall, make sure you
> disable the Windows Firewall.
>
> In any case, do not connect a Windows machine to the Internet without a
> firewall and antivirus in place.
>
> Malke
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 2:07:51 AM

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"Derek Sowa" <techl@trulycanadian.info> wrote in message
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>> You will have a hard time finding a
>>> tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more.
>
> Reasons being? Please explain...

Read the other posts in this thread. That's your answer.
June 12, 2005 4:41:11 PM

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I've been using and maintaining norton antivirus products for years now and
I am yet to have an issue with any of them...

Mind you these are with the corporate and enterprise editions not the home
editions

"Scott M." <s-mar@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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>
> "Derek Sowa" <techl@trulycanadian.info> wrote in message
> news:uSBjlavaFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> You will have a hard time finding a
>>>> tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more.
>>
>> Reasons being? Please explain...
>
> Read the other posts in this thread. That's your answer.
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 4:41:12 PM

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I think this thread is focusing on the home product line.


"Paul" <wf1000xg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've been using and maintaining norton antivirus products for years now
> and I am yet to have an issue with any of them...
>
> Mind you these are with the corporate and enterprise editions not the home
> editions
>
> "Scott M." <s-mar@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:%23nDKAPvbFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Derek Sowa" <techl@trulycanadian.info> wrote in message
>> news:uSBjlavaFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> You will have a hard time finding a
>>>>> tech (including me) who will recommend Norton products any more.
>>>
>>> Reasons being? Please explain...
>>
>> Read the other posts in this thread. That's your answer.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
June 12, 2005 7:59:34 PM

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whoops! - my mistake......

"Scott M." <s-mar@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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>I think this thread is focusing on the home product line.
>
>
> "Paul" <wf1000xg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o vENlxvbFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 12:13:09 AM

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figaro wrote:
> I will soon be getting a computer and for the first time have XP home. Been
> using ME. I have always had Norton Utilities and Antivirus. I mostly used
> utilities to defrag, scan disc etc. Looking at the XP web site it looks like
> there are plenty of maintenance tools that come with it so I wonder if the
> Norton utilities are worth it. I do like having the Anti-virus that warns me
> when one is coming in the email. Does XP have a feature that will do this
> and update virus definitions each day? Any program better and if so why?
> What about the firewall that you can get with service pack 2. Is that all I
> need?
>
>
Hi,
I've just gotten rid of Norton AV. I wouldn't recomend it. It slows down
your system. A very bloated program, as is McAfee (even worse). Zone
alarm, F-secure, AVG (free) and PC-cillin are all better. Zone alarm can
also come as Internet security, i.e. with Firewall.
I would recommend you get an external firewall if you use internet a
lot, also get a antispyware (Spybot, Adaware or can also try Miscrosoft
anti-spyware, I hear it's quite good - all free).
There is no MS XP antivirus package yet, although one will available ~
christmas.
Xp firewall is OK, but It will only stop inbound traffic, therefore no
good if you get worm, trojan etc.
If it were me I would get a firewall + AV software. Although you may
also have these from your ISP, or if you have a router oyu may have a
hardware firewall.
Know this is a lot to absorb. Hope goes well.
!