Quandry about Half-life 2 download

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I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of
purchase etc?

I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not
seeing something?

Suggestions??

Ron

 

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"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
> deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
> download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
> weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of
> purchase etc?
>
> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
> say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
> noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not
> seeing something?
>
> Suggestions??
>
> Ron

Well.. I figure the download via a 56K, if we count it at 3 Gig's including
all the extras, updates, etc... 6.9 days if you pull a steady stream of
5kb/s... hee hee. Have fun!

My advice- upgrade to high speed DSL or cable. You won't be able to enjoy
the multiplayer (Counter Strike Source OR HL2 DM) without a high speed
connection anyway.

 

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Go here... http://www.atihl2offer.com/


On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:46:04 GMT, Freedom55 <"jockstraps this
out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
>deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
>download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
>weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of
>purchase etc?
>
>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not
>seeing something?
>
>Suggestions??
>
>Ron


"By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well --
a fire in the minds of men. It warms those
who feel its power, it burns those who fight
its progress, and one day this untamed fire
of freedom will reach the darkest corners
of our world."

George Bush - Second inaugural speech

 

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Oooopps... Misread your post... Sorry...

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:53:18 GMT, Cannon Fodder <gonfishn@airmail.net>
wrote:

>Go here... http://www.atihl2offer.com/
>
>
>On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:46:04 GMT, Freedom55 <"jockstraps this
>out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
>>deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
>>download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
>>weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of
>>purchase etc?
>>
>>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>>say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>>noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not
>>seeing something?
>>
>>Suggestions??
>>
>>Ron
>
>
> "By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well --
> a fire in the minds of men. It warms those
> who feel its power, it burns those who fight
> its progress, and one day this untamed fire
> of freedom will reach the darkest corners
> of our world."
>
> George Bush - Second inaugural speech


"By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well --
a fire in the minds of men. It warms those
who feel its power, it burns those who fight
its progress, and one day this untamed fire
of freedom will reach the darkest corners
of our world."

George Bush - Second inaugural speech

 

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Cannon Fodder wrote:
> Go here... http://www.atihl2offer.com/
>
>
> On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:46:04 GMT, Freedom55 <"jockstraps this
> out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
>>deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
>>download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
>>weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of
>>purchase etc?
>>
>>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>>say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>>noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not
>>seeing something?
>>
>>Suggestions??
>>
>>Ron
>
>
>
> "By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well --
> a fire in the minds of men. It warms those
> who feel its power, it burns those who fight
> its progress, and one day this untamed fire
> of freedom will reach the darkest corners
> of our world."
>
> George Bush - Second inaugural speech

Yes I went there but I do not have an ATI card. I have an Nvidia Leadtek
Winfast 6600GT PCIe. I realize that this could be done with an ATI offer
but this is different!

Ron

 

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Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
> promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
> dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time,
> probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if
> I send in proof of purchase etc?
>
> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
> say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
> noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I
> not seeing something?
>
> Suggestions??

Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with greater
knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you could install it from a
friend's disc, set up your own Steam account using the details from the coupon,
and take it from there (maybe you have to do that the other way around). After
the game is unlocked *and patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play.
Your Steam account probably negates the original requirement for the disc to be
in anyway.

McG: didn't you do it this way?

--
Paul

 

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Paul Catley wrote:
> Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
>
>>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>>promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>>dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time,
>>probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if
>>I send in proof of purchase etc?
>>
>>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>>say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>>noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I
>>not seeing something?
>>
>>Suggestions??
>
>
> Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with greater
> knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you could install it from a
> friend's disc, set up your own Steam account using the details from the coupon,
> and take it from there (maybe you have to do that the other way around). After
> the game is unlocked *and patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play.
> Your Steam account probably negates the original requirement for the disc to be
> in anyway.
>
> McG: didn't you do it this way?
>
> --
> Paul
Sounds interesting if it can be done!
Ron

 

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"Paul Catley" <paul.notreallymyaddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:36id1mF511dlcU1@individual.net
> Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
>> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>> promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>> dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time,
>> probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if
>> I send in proof of purchase etc?
>>
>> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>> say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>> noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I
>> not seeing something?
>>
>> Suggestions??
>
> Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with
> greater knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you could
> install it from a friend's disc, set up your own Steam account using
> the details from the coupon, and take it from there (maybe you have
> to do that the other way around). After the game is unlocked *and
> patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play. Your Steam account
> probably negates the original requirement for the disc to be in
> anyway.
>
> McG: didn't you do it this way?

I have broadband, and once Bench (mainly!) got me over my Steam-phobia I
preinstalled the games via the net. I already had HL1 and Opposing
Force, so using my HL1 key unlocked a bunch of stuff. When the game was
released, I bought the CE DVD version, used THAT key to unlock and
validate HL2.

What this guy needs is the media. The disk. I'm guessing he has a key
code from the AMD offer. OR the AMD offer download could be pre-coded
with a key embedded. If they gave him a key code, then I would think
any HL2 media would be fine. But if it's the second, only the download
from that site will work.
I don't know what they actually DO, I'm guessing is all. I've learned
there are a few ways Steam has to do this, and the OP didn't mention any
keycode with the offer.
The last way mentioned is an offshoot idea based on OEM software, I
don't know if Valve uses this method or not, but it's a possiblity.
On second thought, what this guy needs is a friend with broadband and a
DVD writer. He could DL the package from the site, burn the disk, take
it home and install it on his system, dial up, validate, update (If
necessary) and away he goes.
McG.

 

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"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
newsbTMd.225713$Np3.9410058@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
> Paul Catley wrote:
>> Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
>>
>>> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>>> promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>>> dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time,
>>> probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if
>>> I send in proof of purchase etc?
>>>
>>> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it
>>> doesn't say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot
>>> download it. I noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you
>>> could do this. Am I not seeing something?
>>>
>>> Suggestions??
>>
>>
>> Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with
>> greater knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you could
>> install it from a friend's disc, set up your own Steam account using
>> the details from the coupon, and take it from there (maybe you have
>> to do that the other way around). After the game is unlocked *and
>> patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play. Your Steam account
>> probably negates the original requirement for the disc to be in
>> anyway. McG: didn't you do it this way?
>>
>> --
>> Paul
> Sounds interesting if it can be done!
> Ron

IF AMD gives you a "keycode", then yes, that could be done. The media
is the media, just like Windows Enterprise. One disk can install to
every one of 3,000 systems but each one has a license (Corporate). The
important detail is, do you have a keycode?
McG.

 

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McGrandpa wrote:
> "Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> newsbTMd.225713$Np3.9410058@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
>
>>Paul Catley wrote:
>>
>>>Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>>>>promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>>>>dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time,
>>>>probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if
>>>>I send in proof of purchase etc?
>>>>
>>>>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it
>>>>doesn't say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot
>>>>download it. I noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you
>>>>could do this. Am I not seeing something?
>>>>
>>>>Suggestions??
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with
>>>greater knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you could
>>>install it from a friend's disc, set up your own Steam account using
>>>the details from the coupon, and take it from there (maybe you have
>>>to do that the other way around). After the game is unlocked *and
>>>patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play. Your Steam account
>>>probably negates the original requirement for the disc to be in
>>>anyway. McG: didn't you do it this way?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Paul
>>
>> Sounds interesting if it can be done!
>>Ron
>
>
> IF AMD gives you a "keycode", then yes, that could be done. The media
> is the media, just like Windows Enterprise. One disk can install to
> every one of 3,000 systems but each one has a license (Corporate). The
> important detail is, do you have a keycode?
> McG.
>
>
Yes I do! I see that it is called a "Steam Key" on the coupon

Ron

 

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"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:xATMd.225725$Np3.9410694@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
> McGrandpa wrote:
>> "Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> newsbTMd.225713$Np3.9410058@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
>>
>>> Paul Catley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>>>>> promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>>>>> dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along
>>>>> time, probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam
>>>>> or AMD if I send in proof of purchase etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it
>>>>> doesn't say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot
>>>>> download it. I noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you
>>>>> could do this. Am I not seeing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with
>>>> greater knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you
>>>> could install it from a friend's disc, set up your own Steam
>>>> account using the details from the coupon, and take it from there
>>>> (maybe you have to do that the other way around). After the game
>>>> is unlocked *and patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play.
>>>> Your Steam account probably negates the original requirement for
>>>> the disc to be in anyway. McG: didn't you do it this way?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Sounds interesting if it can be done!
>>> Ron
>>
>>
>> IF AMD gives you a "keycode", then yes, that could be done. The
>> media is the media, just like Windows Enterprise. One disk can
>> install to every one of 3,000 systems but each one has a license
>> (Corporate). The important detail is, do you have a keycode?
>> McG.
>>
>>
> Yes I do! I see that it is called a "Steam Key" on the coupon
>
> Ron

*BINGO!* Ok, all ya need is to first, create a Steam account. If you
have it already set up it just seems easier. DO write your user name
and password down so you don't lose it. Once your game is installed and
validated, that keycode is then useless. Your Steam account info
though, guard with your life
Then, borrow ANYones Half-Life 2 disk(s). Install the game, it will
want to create or go to your Steam account. Let it go to it, log in.
Let Steam validate and update your game. This will likely take some
time. For updating. There will be some Steam settings to pay
attention to. Like the Account tabs checkbox at the bottom, "Don't save
account information on this computer" *MUST* be UNchecked in order to
play the game in Offline mode. With dialup, you will likely want this
for sure. If your internet connection is disabled, Steam will offer to
start in Offline mode. This means no impromptu updating. Some of the
updates can be large-ish. Ask Paul about that stuff
Hope you get it running soon!
McG.

 

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McGrandpa wrote:
> "Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:xATMd.225725$Np3.9410694@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
>
>>McGrandpa wrote:
>>
>>>"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>newsbTMd.225713$Np3.9410058@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>>Paul Catley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Freedom55" <"joinertake this out wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>>>>>>promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>>>>>>dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along
>>>>>>time, probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam
>>>>>>or AMD if I send in proof of purchase etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it
>>>>>>doesn't say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot
>>>>>>download it. I noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you
>>>>>>could do this. Am I not seeing something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Suggestions??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you know anyone with a copy of the retail version? Someone with
>>>>>greater knowledge than mine will correct me, but I believe you
>>>>>could install it from a friend's disc, set up your own Steam
>>>>>account using the details from the coupon, and take it from there
>>>>>(maybe you have to do that the other way around). After the game
>>>>>is unlocked *and patched*, you no longer need the disc in to play.
>>>>>Your Steam account probably negates the original requirement for
>>>>>the disc to be in anyway. McG: didn't you do it this way?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>Sounds interesting if it can be done!
>>>>Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>IF AMD gives you a "keycode", then yes, that could be done. The
>>>media is the media, just like Windows Enterprise. One disk can
>>>install to every one of 3,000 systems but each one has a license
>>>(Corporate). The important detail is, do you have a keycode?
>>>McG.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yes I do! I see that it is called a "Steam Key" on the coupon
>>
>>Ron
>
>
> *BINGO!* Ok, all ya need is to first, create a Steam account. If you
> have it already set up it just seems easier. DO write your user name
> and password down so you don't lose it. Once your game is installed and
> validated, that keycode is then useless. Your Steam account info
> though, guard with your life
> Then, borrow ANYones Half-Life 2 disk(s). Install the game, it will
> want to create or go to your Steam account. Let it go to it, log in.
> Let Steam validate and update your game. This will likely take some
> time. For updating. There will be some Steam settings to pay
> attention to. Like the Account tabs checkbox at the bottom, "Don't save
> account information on this computer" *MUST* be UNchecked in order to
> play the game in Offline mode. With dialup, you will likely want this
> for sure. If your internet connection is disabled, Steam will offer to
> start in Offline mode. This means no impromptu updating. Some of the
> updates can be large-ish. Ask Paul about that stuff
> Hope you get it running soon!
> McG.
>
>
Thank you

 

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"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
> deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
> download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
> weeks.


actually more like months to years ;o0

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No1ButU wrote:
> "Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:MWSMd.225703$Np3.9408811@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>
>>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
>>deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
>>download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
>>weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of
>>purchase etc?
>>
>>I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>>say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>>noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not
>>seeing something?
>>
>>Suggestions??
>>
>>Ron
>
>
> Well.. I figure the download via a 56K, if we count it at 3 Gig's including
> all the extras, updates, etc... 6.9 days if you pull a steady stream of
> 5kb/s... hee hee. Have fun!
>
> My advice- upgrade to high speed DSL or cable. You won't be able to enjoy
> the multiplayer (Counter Strike Source OR HL2 DM) without a high speed
> connection anyway.
>
>
I would have high speed in a heartbeat. I am in a rural area where there
is no cable and no ISDN capability so it is not a matter of choice.

Ron

 

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"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:_RTMd.225736$Np3.9411096@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca
> McGrandpa wrote:
snip
>> Hope you get it running soon!
>> McG.
>>
>>
> Thank you

You're welcome. Enjoy the game!
McG.

 

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If you know someone who has broadband and you have a nic in your pc you
could ask them to hook up for the download.

DaveL


"Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MWSMd.225703$Np3.9408811@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a promotion
>deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have dialup and could
>download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time, probably days if not
>weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I send in proof of purchase
>etc?
>
> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't say
> anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I noticed
> that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I not seeing
> something?
>
> Suggestions??
>
> Ron

 

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"Freedom55"

> I would have high speed in a heartbeat. I am in a rural area where there
> is no cable and no ISDN capability so it is not a matter of choice.
>
Any friends/family with cable?

- Peter

 

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DaveL wrote:
> If you know someone who has broadband and you have a nic in your pc you
> could ask them to hook up for the download.
>
> DaveL
>
>
> "Freedom55" <"joinertake this out"@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:MWSMd.225703$Np3.9408811@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>
>> I got a coupon from AMD about a month ago which was part of a
>> promotion deal for buying an AMD 64 3500+. The trouble is, I have
>> dialup and could download Half-Life 2 but it would take along time,
>> probably days if not weeks. Can I get the disks from Steam or AMD if I
>> send in proof of purchase etc?
>>
>> I went to the AMD site and while it mentions the promotion it doesn't
>> say anything about how to get the disks if I cannot download it. I
>> noticed that if you bought an ATI video card you could do this. Am I
>> not seeing something?
>>
>> Suggestions??
>>
>> Ron
>
>
Thanks guys, I may go that route. Probably makes the most sense.

Ron

 

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No1ButU wrote:
<snip>

>
> Well.. I figure the download via a 56K, if we count it at 3 Gig's including
> all the extras, updates, etc... 6.9 days if you pull a steady stream of
> 5kb/s... hee hee. Have fun!
>
> My advice- upgrade to high speed DSL or cable. You won't be able to enjoy
> the multiplayer (Counter Strike Source OR HL2 DM) without a high speed
> connection anyway.

I'm sorry but that's not true. I still enjoy CS:S with my 26.4K
connection, mostly because I can get 200-250ms ping to my friends
server. That works for me.
Hell I get 400-500 ping on my transatlantic pings for the AGHL bashes
which is still enough to kick some ass. (Minus the Skrutts and now the
Sabaki bastages)

--
Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger
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