X800 pro - 3nd ATA controller not initialising

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I'm not sure whether this is a known problem or not, but if anyone here have
seen this and know a workaround, it would be great.

Problem: After adding an X800 pro AGP to the system, only one out of two
ATA RAID controllers will run its BIOS startup routines. This problem
doesn't occur when using different AGP video cards (Matrox Parhelia, 3dfx
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP or an old Rage32).

With other video card:
....
System ATA init
ATA RAID controller 1 init
Video BIOS init
ATA RAID controller 2 init
BOOT

With ATI X800 pro:
....
System ATA init
ATA RAID controller 1 init
Video BIOS init
BOOT

If switching the ATA controller order in the system BIOS (Boot order set to
"internal" or "external" first), I get the same result, but with the
different controller being detected:

With other video card:
....
System ATA init
ATA RAID controller 2 init
Video BIOS initialising
ATA RAID controller 1 init
BOOT

With ATI X800 pro:
....
System ATA init
ATA RAID controller 2 init
Video BIOS init
BOOT

System details:

ASUS P4T533, latest BIOS
P4 3.06HT
512MB PC4200 RDRAM
On-board Promise FastTrack Lite 133 ATA RAID controller
PCI Adaptec 1200A ATA RAID controller
AGP ATI X800 Pro (ATI branded)

Is this a known problem?
Is the ATI card incapable of passing the buck back to the system BIOS so
other devices can initialise?
Are there any workarounds?

Regards,
--
*Art

 

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Toggle these options in BIOS, one at a time, and see what happens:

assign irq to VGA

video boot order (may also be listed as "primary vga" or something along the
lines)

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:d0g48v$gjb$1@cauldron.broomstick.com...
> I'm not sure whether this is a known problem or not, but if anyone here
have
> seen this and know a workaround, it would be great.
>
> Problem: After adding an X800 pro AGP to the system, only one out of two
> ATA RAID controllers will run its BIOS startup routines. This problem
> doesn't occur when using different AGP video cards (Matrox Parhelia, 3dfx
> Voodoo 5 5500 AGP or an old Rage32).
>
> With other video card:
> ...
> System ATA init
> ATA RAID controller 1 init
> Video BIOS init
> ATA RAID controller 2 init
> BOOT
>
> With ATI X800 pro:
> ...
> System ATA init
> ATA RAID controller 1 init
> Video BIOS init
> BOOT
>
> If switching the ATA controller order in the system BIOS (Boot order set
to
> "internal" or "external" first), I get the same result, but with the
> different controller being detected:
>
> With other video card:
> ...
> System ATA init
> ATA RAID controller 2 init
> Video BIOS initialising
> ATA RAID controller 1 init
> BOOT
>
> With ATI X800 pro:
> ...
> System ATA init
> ATA RAID controller 2 init
> Video BIOS init
> BOOT
>
> System details:
>
> ASUS P4T533, latest BIOS
> P4 3.06HT
> 512MB PC4200 RDRAM
> On-board Promise FastTrack Lite 133 ATA RAID controller
> PCI Adaptec 1200A ATA RAID controller
> AGP ATI X800 Pro (ATI branded)
>
> Is this a known problem?
> Is the ATI card incapable of passing the buck back to the system BIOS so
> other devices can initialise?
> Are there any workarounds?
>
> Regards,
> --
> *Art
>

 

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First of One <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Toggle these options in BIOS, one at a time, and see what happens:
>
> assign irq to VGA

There's no such option. I can assign IRQ to PCI slots, but not to AGP.
Since the AGP slot tends to share one IRQ with slot 1, I tried setting that
hard to all possible values, but to no avail -- exact same problem.
I also tried turning off PnP and assigning all the IRQs for all PCI cards
manually, which also made no difference.
It doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem at all.

The boot init order remains the same:
ATA controller choosen as first in the BIOS (internal or external)
Video
Other ATA controllers

And the ATI card invariably cuts this short and causes the remaining devices
not to run its BIOS startup code (which is necessary for RAID controllers,
to detect the current array of drives).

> video boot order (may also be listed as "primary vga" or something
> along the lines)

You can choose that, sure, but it only chooses which card to use for the
boot display on a system with both a PCI and an AGP video card. In this
case, I only have an AGP card (and no on-board video). Still, I tried, with
no better results.

To sum it up, it appears that the X800 (and possibly other ATI-based cards)
causes a problem if you have devices that have to be initialised *after* the
video BIOS but before booting. Most people would never see a problem here,
of course, but that doesn't make it less of a problem.

Anyhow, because of this and due to the X800 being unable to do video overlay
in independent mode, I went back to the old and slow Parhelia. I'll lose
quite a bit of money on the restocking fee for the X800, but have learnt a
valuable lesson.
Too bad, ATI, I hardly knew ye.

Regards,
--
*Art

> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:d0g48v$gjb$1@cauldron.broomstick.com...
>> I'm not sure whether this is a known problem or not, but if anyone
>> here have seen this and know a workaround, it would be great.
>>
>> Problem: After adding an X800 pro AGP to the system, only one out
>> of two ATA RAID controllers will run its BIOS startup routines.
>> This problem doesn't occur when using different AGP video cards
>> (Matrox Parhelia, 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP or an old Rage32).
>>
>> With other video card:
>> ...
>> System ATA init
>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>> Video BIOS init
>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>> BOOT
>>
>> With ATI X800 pro:
>> ...
>> System ATA init
>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>> Video BIOS init
>> BOOT
>>
>> If switching the ATA controller order in the system BIOS (Boot order
>> set to "internal" or "external" first), I get the same result, but
>> with the different controller being detected:
>>
>> With other video card:
>> ...
>> System ATA init
>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>> Video BIOS initialising
>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>> BOOT
>>
>> With ATI X800 pro:
>> ...
>> System ATA init
>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>> Video BIOS init
>> BOOT
>>
>> System details:
>>
>> ASUS P4T533, latest BIOS
>> P4 3.06HT
>> 512MB PC4200 RDRAM
>> On-board Promise FastTrack Lite 133 ATA RAID controller
>> PCI Adaptec 1200A ATA RAID controller
>> AGP ATI X800 Pro (ATI branded)
>>
>> Is this a known problem?
>> Is the ATI card incapable of passing the buck back to the system
>> BIOS so other devices can initialise?
>> Are there any workarounds?
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> *Art

 

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Instead of taking the hit on the video card why don't you buy a new mobo
"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:d0gemn$hds$1@cauldron.broomstick.com...
> First of One <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Toggle these options in BIOS, one at a time, and see what happens:
>>
>> assign irq to VGA
>
> There's no such option. I can assign IRQ to PCI slots, but not to AGP.
> Since the AGP slot tends to share one IRQ with slot 1, I tried setting
> that
> hard to all possible values, but to no avail -- exact same problem.
> I also tried turning off PnP and assigning all the IRQs for all PCI cards
> manually, which also made no difference.
> It doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem at all.
>
> The boot init order remains the same:
> ATA controller choosen as first in the BIOS (internal or external)
> Video
> Other ATA controllers
>
> And the ATI card invariably cuts this short and causes the remaining
> devices
> not to run its BIOS startup code (which is necessary for RAID controllers,
> to detect the current array of drives).
>
>> video boot order (may also be listed as "primary vga" or something
>> along the lines)
>
> You can choose that, sure, but it only chooses which card to use for the
> boot display on a system with both a PCI and an AGP video card. In this
> case, I only have an AGP card (and no on-board video). Still, I tried,
> with
> no better results.
>
> To sum it up, it appears that the X800 (and possibly other ATI-based
> cards)
> causes a problem if you have devices that have to be initialised *after*
> the
> video BIOS but before booting. Most people would never see a problem
> here,
> of course, but that doesn't make it less of a problem.
>
> Anyhow, because of this and due to the X800 being unable to do video
> overlay
> in independent mode, I went back to the old and slow Parhelia. I'll lose
> quite a bit of money on the restocking fee for the X800, but have learnt a
> valuable lesson.
> Too bad, ATI, I hardly knew ye.
>
> Regards,
> --
> *Art
>
>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>> news:d0g48v$gjb$1@cauldron.broomstick.com...
>>> I'm not sure whether this is a known problem or not, but if anyone
>>> here have seen this and know a workaround, it would be great.
>>>
>>> Problem: After adding an X800 pro AGP to the system, only one out
>>> of two ATA RAID controllers will run its BIOS startup routines.
>>> This problem doesn't occur when using different AGP video cards
>>> (Matrox Parhelia, 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP or an old Rage32).
>>>
>>> With other video card:
>>> ...
>>> System ATA init
>>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>>> Video BIOS init
>>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>>> BOOT
>>>
>>> With ATI X800 pro:
>>> ...
>>> System ATA init
>>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>>> Video BIOS init
>>> BOOT
>>>
>>> If switching the ATA controller order in the system BIOS (Boot order
>>> set to "internal" or "external" first), I get the same result, but
>>> with the different controller being detected:
>>>
>>> With other video card:
>>> ...
>>> System ATA init
>>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>>> Video BIOS initialising
>>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>>> BOOT
>>>
>>> With ATI X800 pro:
>>> ...
>>> System ATA init
>>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>>> Video BIOS init
>>> BOOT
>>>
>>> System details:
>>>
>>> ASUS P4T533, latest BIOS
>>> P4 3.06HT
>>> 512MB PC4200 RDRAM
>>> On-board Promise FastTrack Lite 133 ATA RAID controller
>>> PCI Adaptec 1200A ATA RAID controller
>>> AGP ATI X800 Pro (ATI branded)
>>>
>>> Is this a known problem?
>>> Is the ATI card incapable of passing the buck back to the system
>>> BIOS so other devices can initialise?
>>> Are there any workarounds?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> *Art
>

 

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bubble head <bubbleheadpt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Instead of taking the hit on the video card why don't you buy a new
> mobo

Sure thing. Tell me just which socket 478 motherboard with 5 or 6 PCI slots
and on-board parallel RAID that is guaranteed to work with an ATI Radeon
card *and* a second RAID.

Never mind that I'd have to get new RAM too due to the dearth of 32-bit
RDRAM motherboards, and most likely back up and restore one full RAID set
too, due to controllers not being compatible. For something that isn't
guaranteed to solve the problem (remember: the problem doesn't occur with
other video cards, so I wouldn't assume that the MB is at fault), it doesn't
sound like it'd do much more than adding to the list of things I have to
return and lose money on.

Of course, if anyone *have* run an ATI Radeon card with multiple RAIDs, I'd
love to hear the specifics.

--
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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:d0gemn$hds$1@cauldron.broomstick.com...
>> First of One <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Toggle these options in BIOS, one at a time, and see what happens:
>>>
>>> assign irq to VGA
>>
>> There's no such option. I can assign IRQ to PCI slots, but not to
>> AGP. Since the AGP slot tends to share one IRQ with slot 1, I tried
>> setting that
>> hard to all possible values, but to no avail -- exact same problem.
>> I also tried turning off PnP and assigning all the IRQs for all PCI
>> cards manually, which also made no difference.
>> It doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem at all.
>>
>> The boot init order remains the same:
>> ATA controller choosen as first in the BIOS (internal or external)
>> Video
>> Other ATA controllers
>>
>> And the ATI card invariably cuts this short and causes the remaining
>> devices
>> not to run its BIOS startup code (which is necessary for RAID
>> controllers, to detect the current array of drives).
>>
>>> video boot order (may also be listed as "primary vga" or something
>>> along the lines)
>>
>> You can choose that, sure, but it only chooses which card to use for
>> the boot display on a system with both a PCI and an AGP video card.
>> In this case, I only have an AGP card (and no on-board video).
>> Still, I tried, with
>> no better results.
>>
>> To sum it up, it appears that the X800 (and possibly other ATI-based
>> cards)
>> causes a problem if you have devices that have to be initialised
>> *after* the
>> video BIOS but before booting. Most people would never see a problem
>> here,
>> of course, but that doesn't make it less of a problem.
>>
>> Anyhow, because of this and due to the X800 being unable to do video
>> overlay
>> in independent mode, I went back to the old and slow Parhelia. I'll
>> lose quite a bit of money on the restocking fee for the X800, but
>> have learnt a valuable lesson.
>> Too bad, ATI, I hardly knew ye.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> *Art
>>
>>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d0g48v$gjb$1@cauldron.broomstick.com...
>>>> I'm not sure whether this is a known problem or not, but if anyone
>>>> here have seen this and know a workaround, it would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Problem: After adding an X800 pro AGP to the system, only one out
>>>> of two ATA RAID controllers will run its BIOS startup routines.
>>>> This problem doesn't occur when using different AGP video cards
>>>> (Matrox Parhelia, 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP or an old Rage32).
>>>>
>>>> With other video card:
>>>> ...
>>>> System ATA init
>>>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>>>> Video BIOS init
>>>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>>>> BOOT
>>>>
>>>> With ATI X800 pro:
>>>> ...
>>>> System ATA init
>>>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>>>> Video BIOS init
>>>> BOOT
>>>>
>>>> If switching the ATA controller order in the system BIOS (Boot
>>>> order set to "internal" or "external" first), I get the same
>>>> result, but with the different controller being detected:
>>>>
>>>> With other video card:
>>>> ...
>>>> System ATA init
>>>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>>>> Video BIOS initialising
>>>> ATA RAID controller 1 init
>>>> BOOT
>>>>
>>>> With ATI X800 pro:
>>>> ...
>>>> System ATA init
>>>> ATA RAID controller 2 init
>>>> Video BIOS init
>>>> BOOT
>>>>
>>>> System details:
>>>>
>>>> ASUS P4T533, latest BIOS
>>>> P4 3.06HT
>>>> 512MB PC4200 RDRAM
>>>> On-board Promise FastTrack Lite 133 ATA RAID controller
>>>> PCI Adaptec 1200A ATA RAID controller
>>>> AGP ATI X800 Pro (ATI branded)
>>>>
>>>> Is this a known problem?
>>>> Is the ATI card incapable of passing the buck back to the system
>>>> BIOS so other devices can initialise?
>>>> Are there any workarounds?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> --
>>>> *Art

 

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:d0g48v$gjb$1@cauldron.broomstick.com:

> Are there any workarounds?

Is the RAID card in the PCI slot right next to the AGP slot?

I had a similar issue with my new X800 - moving the RAID card down to the
next PCI slot cured all.


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