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Blizzard Announces 4th WoW Expansion: Mists of Pandaria

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October 22, 2011 12:07:39 AM

Kind of stopped playing WoW about 1 week after Cata...
October 22, 2011 12:12:22 AM

If this is what has been pushing Diablo 3 back, somebody's going to have to pay...
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October 22, 2011 12:13:01 AM

PANDAS!!!
October 22, 2011 12:13:32 AM

I'd play a pokemon mmo :p  just not one inside of WoW.
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October 22, 2011 12:16:54 AM

World of Warcraft: Kung Fu Panda 3
October 22, 2011 12:25:34 AM

What a load of bull.... this is the crap blizzard is putting their resources into when they should be putting more effort into Diablo 3. Wow is old now.. it's time to put your efforts into new games, not trying desperately to hang onto your 7 year old crap. As it is, thanks to WoW, blizzard has screwed around with diablo more than the average diablo fan likes. Ugh, Blizzard is very quickly falling from the top of game developers.
October 22, 2011 12:25:49 AM

I think they should have gone with penguins...
October 22, 2011 12:35:37 AM

OMG Blizzard is putting their efforts into expansions that are constantly setting PC game selling records because the game is played by 12 million people! what insane business practices are these??!!

FYI, in about 12 months after this panda expansion...Blizzard will have another one...cause people keep buying them...if you don't play WoW (i don't) then who cares since it won't affect you.
October 22, 2011 12:38:14 AM

Ha they just Jumped the Shark. World Of Warcraft: Hello Panda Island Adventure
October 22, 2011 12:38:43 AM

What a load of crap
October 22, 2011 12:41:12 AM

I don't understand why so many people were in denial over Mists of Pandaria. It was the only thing Blizzard had trademarked so it was either this or no expansion next year.

While I have my doubts on whether it may be a good idea to create content based on something that came into existance as an April Fool's joke years ago, I will hold judgement because much of Warcraft is tongue in cheek, so it could be ok. They were after all in WC3.

The issue is this. Will Blizzard stop doing what they have done in Wrath and Cataclysm and actually put the Warcraft story back in WoW. For both these past expansions we have not gotten half the content they talked about during the beta's for them and instead gotten constant nerf/buff cycles as well as 'premium' items.

If Blizzard puts the Warcraft story back into the game, I will seriously consider going back. But after nearly fours years and two expansions with little of the Warcraft story actually playing out in game, I won't hold my breath.

I'm just hoping the conference call with shareholders in a couple of weeks will show some more bad news that may actually lead to Vivendi shaking up some management at Activision Blizzard. Kotick should never have been made CEO and the division would be much better off with Morjaime over it. I believe that would allow Blizzard to be able go back to being the Blizzard of old.
October 22, 2011 12:44:08 AM

I'm curious if good ol' Leeroy still plays...
October 22, 2011 12:56:45 AM

Platypuses are better than pandas... they are not monks, they are ninjas!
October 22, 2011 12:58:17 AM

I just quit playing WoW a little bit ago. Cata started off decently but they went the wrong direction with it. And this looks just horrible.
October 22, 2011 1:00:17 AM

dirtyferretOMG Blizzard is putting their efforts into expansions that are constantly setting PC game selling records because the game is played by 12 million people! what insane business practices are these??!!FYI, in about 12 months after this panda expansion...Blizzard will have another one...cause people keep buying them...if you don't play WoW (i don't) then who cares since it won't affect you.

Actually 12 million don't play it. When Wrath of the Lich King was released, they had 11.5 million subscribers. A little more than a year after Wrath's release Kotaku had an article, in February of 2010, talking about where the subscriber base was still at 11.5 million. A month after Wrath was released in China, that was when the 12 million mark was announced. The problem is Blizzard rushed Cataclysm out in China only about 8 months after Wrath's release. While Wrath lacked a lot of the content that was talked about in beta, that is still incredibly fast to try to push out the next expansion there especially when you consider that it barely gives those players time to experience the content and not to mention sort of makes all the extra work Blizzard put into China's version of Wrath rather irrelevant. It's not hard to believe that Wrath was not well recieved in China.

Then the problems really accelerated after Cataclysm was released. In the very first quarter after it's release, they lost 600,000 subscribers. In the second quarter they lost an additional 300,000. Those numbers would be disturbing in a year leading to a new expansion where there is precious little new content. But the fact they lost that many in the first six months following the release of a new expansion has to be worrisome. With the third quarter ending after September, it won't be too long before that quarters numbers are released, and I don't think any improvement will be seen.

For a long time it seems as if the Warcraft franchise fan, those who buy the novels, comics, collectibles, etc, have been leaving in droves. The fact that the comics, the place where intended content for the game that never made it into the game, was finished was canceled due to very poor sales, sort of makes that seem very true. They also canceled the magazine after only 4 issues because of poor sales. The Shattering, what was suppose to be the first of three novels dealing with the events leading up to Cataclysm had weak sales as well. Only a couple of months ago was the second novel released, and considering Cataclysm is about to get it's last content patch, that's rather late for a pre Cataclysm novel to come out.

And there won't be another expansion 12 months after MoP. Blizzard has never released a WoW expansion in just 12 months time. They have always been on a two year time line. For one thing, 12 months after MoP is released, Q4 of 2013, is the intended release date for the Titan MMO Blizzard is working on.
October 22, 2011 1:00:22 AM

I used to love WoW back in the early days. With every expansion (except Burning Crusade) the game is getting stupider and being dumbed down. BC was a good expansion. WoTLK is where Blizzard lost my money. Cataclysm did it even worse. And, i'm sure, this new expansion will make it a "faceroll = win" game even more. Maybe i'm an oldfart, but I enjoyed Pre-BC best of all. Lots of challenge, and it took time and skills to succeed. Now, it basically just takes time (much less of it now) to succeed. Pretty soon the game will be dumbed down to the point it can be played on a console controller i'm sure. Just give it time.

October 22, 2011 1:01:29 AM

Blizzard, I am disappoint.
October 22, 2011 1:03:25 AM

More crappy expansions with crappy gameplay.
October 22, 2011 1:04:44 AM

Looks like a cartoon network production. And monks sound kinda familiar as well.
October 22, 2011 1:12:46 AM

who cares if they have 12 million, 11.5, 10 or 13. They sell the expansions like hot cakes and they have no competition unless you think with their base of under 1 million affects them?

FYI, they just released news that Diablo III is free to any WoW player with a one year agreement (can be made in monthly installments).

Why is Tom's news so slow?

http://www.techspot.com/news/45964-wow-subscribers-get-...
October 22, 2011 1:13:32 AM

*Rift with their base of under 1 million
October 22, 2011 1:29:23 AM

Blizzard is dumbing the game down to the point that a 3 yr old could play, but they design dungeons that require 40 hours a week to kill in a timely manner. How does this even make sense?
October 22, 2011 1:30:39 AM

really.....isn't there another cow to be milked somewhere else?
Anonymous
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October 22, 2011 1:37:19 AM

Personally I don't see this expansion saving WoWs dwindling subscriber numbers. If they continue to loose 300k subscribers each quarter their playerbase is going to shrink quite quickly. I played WoW for 5 years and stopped 6 months after Cata came out.
I don't quite see how there can be only 1 new race. A Monk class seems pretty lame too considering there are lots of other heroic classes they could have introduced: Demon Hunter, Arch Druid or Arch Mage which people were dying to play.
So they have 4.3 on the PTR and this expansion coming out whenever and it probably won't land for 12 months. From a personal perspective this is the first expansion that I have seen nothing in it that makes me want to play it.
I can also see how the expansion may be considered offensive by the Chinese Government so perhaps there my be a WoW banhammer falling in China.
Oh and, Blizzard will have intense competition like never before when Star Wars: The Old Republic launches at the end of the year.
October 22, 2011 1:40:04 AM

Pandas? This was all they could come up with? Warcraft lore is rich, I'm sure there were lots of other options...
October 22, 2011 1:53:52 AM

dirtyferretwho cares if they have 12 million, 11.5, 10 or 13. They sell the expansions like hot cakes and they have no competition unless you think with their base of under 1 million affects them? FYI, they just released news that Diablo III is free to any WoW player with a one year agreement (can be made in monthly installments).Why is Tom's news so slow? http://www.techspot.com/news/45964 [...] eiled.html

I'm sure their shareholders care. Yes, 11.1 million, at least until the next announcement in a few weeks is made, is a lot. But as I said before, losing 900,000 in the FIRST six months after a new expansion has to be troubling.

In fact, the Diablo 3 announcement actually points to the fact they believe WoW needs help. They gave Starcraft 2 for free in Korea to people who had active WoW subscriptions and that's a country where they could have charged $300 a copy for Starcraft 2 and not affected sales at all. The only reason for a D3 giveaway is to prop up WoW's numbers, so in fact when you ask "Who cares", your post indicates Blizzard cares.
October 22, 2011 1:59:38 AM

saxplayingcompnerdBlizzard is dumbing the game down to the point that a 3 yr old could play, but they design dungeons that require 40 hours a week to kill in a timely manner. How does this even make sense?

That's rather their problem. They are catering to the so called "casuals" who do not care one bit about the Warcraft franchise and lore.

They never should have strayed from their original vision. WoW had a rich lore to base itself on. It started as a nice balance, not as hard or demanding as EQ but not as easy as say Guild Wars (for the record, i love GW, but they don't go after the same audience WoW does, or at least did in the beginning).

The reason WoW broke all of EQ's subscriber records on the first day was because of the Warcraft story and the fan's familiarity with it. Keeping true to that vision does not push away the "casual" player, but abandoning it does push away the franchise fan. With all of the canceled Warcraft material as of late, it seems as if that core base is definately leaving.
October 22, 2011 2:04:15 AM

When will Kung Fu Panda (Dreamworks) sue Blizzard for this copyright infringement.
October 22, 2011 2:05:13 AM

rasagulI think they should have gone with penguins...
Alright. I'll admit, I lol'd. And my roommate gave me a funny look because of it.

Anyway, I doubt it'll increase their subscription numbers, because the game IS getting old. Same thing happened to Everquest.

As for myself, I will probably check out the expansion eventually, but my hard-core MMO days are over, so no rush.
October 22, 2011 2:10:05 AM

wildkittenI'm sure their shareholders care.

Exactly. I'm sure Blizzard realizes the game is getting old, but because their shareholders care, they're still going to care.

But lets be honest, even with the dwindling subscription numbers, WoW STILL has at least 6-8 times more subscribers than any other MMO out there. And that is impressive.

I'm curious to see how SWTOR will do. Gut feeling says it won't kick WoW off the throne.
October 22, 2011 2:19:10 AM

Ragnar-KonExactly. I'm sure Blizzard realizes the game is getting old, but because their shareholders care, they're still going to care.But lets be honest, even with the dwindling subscription numbers, WoW STILL has at least 6-8 times more subscribers than any other MMO out there. And that is impressive.I'm curious to see how SWTOR will do. Gut feeling says it won't kick WoW off the throne.

It won't kick WoW off the throne, but I have a feeling they are more worried about Guild Wars 2. It seems Blizzard will try to coincide patch 4.3's release with the ST:TOR release, and they won't have anything to release to compete with GW2. And GW2 is done by a lot of former Blizzard people who don't have the restrictions on them the current Blizzard people unfortunately do.

and if the third quarter numbers show another steep decline, one has to wonder how many subs WoW will lose next year when they have no new content. I mean if they lose over a million when they're producing at least some content, you have to think during a year when there is nothing new they will lose a lot more than that.
October 22, 2011 2:28:15 AM

wildkittenand if the third quarter numbers show another steep decline, one has to wonder how many subs WoW will lose next year when they have no new content. I mean if they lose over a million when they're producing at least some content, you have to think during a year when there is nothing new they will lose a lot more than that.


Blizzard has never gone a year without releasing content for WoW. They always have content patches every 6 months or so, and major expansions every 2 years. They have recently talked about releasing an expansion every year instead. This new xpac may come out earlier than normal because of that.
October 22, 2011 2:45:54 AM

beaynBlizzard has never gone a year without releasing content for WoW. They always have content patches every 6 months or so, and major expansions every 2 years. They have recently talked about releasing an expansion every year instead. This new xpac may come out earlier than normal because of that.

You obviously have not played Wrath of the Lich King where ICC was was the last real content update. Was done a year before Cataclysm's release. Yes, there was the Ruby Sanctum, but I have not met anyone who considered that real content as it had nothing to do with the story. Was a 10 minute instance.

And Blizzard has already said that 4.3 will be the last raid for Cataclysm. Yes, there will be a patch 5.0 a couple of weeks before MoP is released, but that will just be the standard pre expansion patch that always gets released before an expansion to bring the game world up to date.

As for coming out with expansions faster, I seriously doubt that. For one thing, D3 has been pushed back till after the first of the year. I still expect it fairly early in the year because the second Starcraft 2 campaign will probably be released in the summer. Summertime will make 2 years since the first SC2 was released and I doubt they want to go longer than that. That puts MoP firmly at a holiday release for 2012, same timeline as every other WoW release. Blizzard will never release 2 titles at the same time or even fairly close.

Most of their fans have traditionsally been fans of Blizzard themselves, meaning they want to play all 3 of Blizzard's franchises, not just fans of one. They never have made people choose between one or the other before for playing something new, and I doubt they would start now. And with Activision losing money and WoW bleeding subscribers, I doubt anyone at Blizz, and especially Bobby Kotick, will want to hurt sales of one title because of self competing release dates.
Anonymous
October 22, 2011 3:05:13 AM

WTF Kung foo Panda rip off?
Blizzard could be in shit hahaha
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October 22, 2011 3:43:10 AM

Made me think of a cartoonish rip-off of Cantha.
October 22, 2011 3:57:27 AM

World of Warcraft: Kung Fu Panda
October 22, 2011 3:59:20 AM

People do realize that the Pandaren are nothing new to the Warcraft scene right? It was originally an April Fools joke for Warcraft III that became immensely popular, because of this they adapted it into lore a long time ago. It is in no way related to Kung Foo Panda or anything of the like. It bothers me how people will criticize something when they haven't the slightest clue about it :/ 
October 22, 2011 4:23:30 AM

uh...why does this seem like a SNL pardon? or...pandarody?
October 22, 2011 4:26:00 AM

IcylobsterPeople do realize that the Pandaren are nothing new to the Warcraft scene right? It was originally an April Fools joke for Warcraft III that became immensely popular, because of this they adapted it into lore a long time ago. It is in no way related to Kung Foo Panda or anything of the like. It bothers me how people will criticize something when they haven't the slightest clue about it

You have to realize, Blizzard has driven off the franchise fan from WoW. When I left WoW in June it seemed like very very few people on the game even knew anything about the lore, and very few even wanted to. All they cared about was "shinies".
October 22, 2011 4:35:28 AM

I thought they weren't going to do pandas cause it offends the Chinese or something.
October 22, 2011 4:56:18 AM

Wow talk about pandering(lol)! Blizzard understands that their new market will be China and the East. They just took a sharp turn to irrelevance in the US MMO market.
October 22, 2011 4:57:22 AM

chumlyI thought they weren't going to do pandas cause it offends the Chinese or something.

That myth has been debunked so many times and for so long it's not funny.

China's objections had nothing to do with displaying or even killing of panda's. Their objection was based on the orginal Pandarian artwork that had them dressed in Japanese garb. The Chinese government did not what they consider an animal symbol of their nation being portrayed in the clothing of one of their longest running enemies. Once Blizzard changed that (which was years ago) they had no issues with the Pandarians.
October 22, 2011 5:01:03 AM

LonecontrolWow talk about pandering(lol)! Blizzard understands that their new market will be China and the East. They just took a sharp turn to irrelevance in the US MMO market.

Um, that's not a new market. China has always had roughly a third of the WoW subscriber base, with the whole of Asia making up roughly half.

However, I will agree that this does seem to be a bit of pandering (and yes, cute pun). I have thought since they released Cataclysm so fast in China after Wrath's release that it meant Wrath bombed there. I think when the entire transition from The9 to Netease happened and the game was down for months there that there was trouble brewing for WoW in China.

China is the only region that has had server mergers and so forth, so I do believe there is some marketing reasons involved in this choice for the expansion.
October 22, 2011 5:30:50 AM

hokkdawgKind of stopped playing WoW about 1 week after Cata...

so did i
:( 
Anonymous
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October 22, 2011 5:49:05 AM

blizzard should think outside the box, (here me out) i wrote a letter to them a few months ago, i explained my idea, call the next expansion WOW: Diablo. and shut down wow slowly, allowing any usership in wow to transfer over when diablo 3 comes out, character for character, and start using the wow servers for diablo 3. so anyone starting wow, can go buy diablo 3 wow.. (instead of grinding out from level 1 up) and start enjoying, and people who are level 85 in wow can start enjoying diable with a equal transfer of a powerful character. I will not be buying this expansion pack, i am done at 85, the game is boring now. same old nonsense. the graphics engine is sub-par with whats out now. as many of you say put the effort into diablo 3 and keep the wow customers by allowing them to transfer over.. i am sure they can put together a great storyline to merge the two over.. my two cents... and NO i have never heard back from blizzard.
October 22, 2011 5:52:41 AM

Blizzard is doing what they do best, support games for super long extended periods of time. How long has D2 been out? and they still have been upgrading it, added new items and such, that is what makes Blizzard one of the best game developers in the world. Just because you may not enjoy WoW does not mean others do not, get over yourself, seriously. When i read people saying "omg, Blizzard needs to change cause i dont play wow." all i see are nothing but a bunch of 2 years fighting over transfromers in the sand box. Bizz is a company first and foremost. They need profit to survive, and even if they dropped half of their wow subscribers before MoP hits, they sill have over 5 million copies of an expansion they can sell. MONEY!!! second, they have always supported their games, the day they stop supporting old working titles, is the day i stop buying from Blizz.

And to boot, i seem to recall everyone saying "Rift is going to bring wow to its knees!" It seems that a base of under 1 mil is really making Blizz think twice about not supporting its title. I do not see SWTOR stealing enough of a base from wow to affect blizz. They are two different genres of games. It is like comparing Rainbowbright to Jenna Jamison. I will try it, but in all honesty, i like wow, i like the look and feel of the game, yes, i love classic, i miss it, i miss the days when you log on to your server and everyone knew your name if you were good enough to be known, but i adapted to the new wow.

Either do the same, or get over it. Your whining is not going to make blizz rush a premiere title for you and release a bethesda quality game, they try and ensure the game is golden right out of the gate, it may take longer, but in the end, all you whiners normally change your toon and thank them for the extra effort.
October 22, 2011 7:22:01 AM

ANOTHER WoW? This makes me a sad PANDA.
October 22, 2011 7:59:17 AM

I have a years worth of wow subscriptions sitting on my desk... I just haven't had the urge to even play this game.

Will the world just let WoW die off already so we can have a NEW MMO already? Maybe one that isn't based on swords, axes, and magic?
October 22, 2011 8:31:17 AM

You guys act as if some a-hole who thinks they know how many people are WoW subscribers is the GOSPEL....

Only blizzard knows, and they don't say $ h i t.......
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