Freedom Of Speech And STEAM.

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It has gotten into me lately that STEAM is a very sensitive subject that
could deprive one's freedom of speech.
STEAM has antagonised people in a way that they either defend it to
death or to destroy its existence by any means in or out of the limit
of freedom of speech allowed.
What is the best way to debunk or criticise STEAM rationally, reasonably
without fear being attacked and reported?
To mention STEAM's faults, error, shortcoming purely and exclusively in
its technical point of views?
To mention the philosophical principle of the restriction STEAM imposed
on users in the future?
To mention psychological and mental anguish impacted on individual
experience with STEAM?
To mention about the controversial legality of STEAM under various
country laws?
To caricature STEAM?
I would like to have helpful and friendly advices from STEAM supporters
about how to hold a constructive critics of STEAM without fear being
persecuted, ostracised and reported by ardent and vigilantist STEAM
supporters (which is the majority) of this newsgroup?

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On 2/7/2005 12:24 PM Daniel brightened our day with:

>I would like to have helpful and friendly advices from STEAM supporters
>about how to hold a constructive critics of STEAM without fear being
>persecuted, ostracised and reported by ardent and vigilantist STEAM
>supporters (which is the majority) of this newsgroup?
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Maybe you can get some tips from the Moon landing hoax people on how to
deal with it in sci.astro.

--
Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com

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Everyone here has absolute freedom of speech... Some people think that
freedom of speech means that others have to LISTEN to their drivel...


On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:24:40 +1100, Daniel <daniel@dontbother.com>
wrote:

>It has gotten into me lately that STEAM is a very sensitive subject that
>could deprive one's freedom of speech.



"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with
the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, cigarette in one hand, favorite beverage in
the other, body thoroughly used up,
totally worn out,and screaming
WOO HOO - What a Ride!"

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"Vilco" <a@b.c> schrieb:

[..]
> Yes, it is so sensitive them so many people need to waste theyr
> time boring ppl with it, so they start calling names and then it
> is a question of "freedom of speech". Next step is "national
> security".
> When will the Marines come in?

Wrong game. You're referring to "America's Army". And it's the Army, not
the Marines who gets ya.

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Daniel wrote:

> It has gotten into me lately that STEAM is a very sensitive subject
> that could deprive one's freedom of speech.
> STEAM has antagonised people in a way that they either defend it to
> death or to destroy its existence by any means in or out of the limit
> of freedom of speech allowed.

No, those are just the ones that feel passionately about it (or have too
much tim eon their hands). The majority of us just get by as we can, and I
suspect that the majority of us can see both good and bad in the idea behind
Steam, we just can't be bothered to get into heated deebates about it.

I think you'll find that this is a phenomenon common in life, and not just
Usenet.

--
_______________________

/mel/

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I started thinking something odd was going on in
alt.games.half-life when one foggy november evening "Steve Mellor"
<noos@mel.nospam.cix.co.uk> came into my office and told me:

> The majority of us just get by as we can, and I
> suspect that the majority of us can see both good and bad in the
> idea behind Steam, we just can't be bothered to get into heated
> deebates about it.

I don't know... when I had two wait more than 2 days to be able to
play a game i had *bought* in a store because steam couldnt cope, I
came pretty close to go into a heated debate...

If systems like steam become standard, what happens to a game after
the publisher stops caring, or the developer gets closed? Will
someone nicely continue to pay for the servers or will the game stop
being playable? Will publishers and developers have to put insurance
in place that the servers will remain available for authentication
for a minimum of x years as part of a game's sale - a bit like fine
china?


--
Iphigenie, http://iphi.net
email:iphi.at.imagis.ch icq:55502215 aol:superiphi steam:superiphi
In games: iphigenie[AGHL] superiphi[AGHL] Zen Zenaide
Games of the moment: Spellforce, Sacred, HL2
Most wanted games: Call of Cthulhu, SWAT4

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Scratches old bald, scarred head??? Can't think of a thing that
doesn't call for a drink... Who's buying???

On 10 Feb 2005 22:34:13 GMT, Ipsilateral <iphi@imagis.ch> wrote:

>Not that often that I agree with CF on something even slightly
>political. Calls for a drink!



"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with
the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, cigarette in one hand, favorite beverage in
the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out,
and screaming
WOO HOO - What a Ride!"

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GFree wrote:
> Iphigenie wrote:
>
>> If systems like steam become standard, what happens to a game after
>> the publisher stops caring, or the developer gets closed? Will someone
>> nicely continue to pay for the servers or will the game stop being
>> playable? Will publishers and developers have to put insurance in
>> place that the servers will remain available for authentication for a
>> minimum of x years as part of a game's sale - a bit like fine china?
>>
>>
>
> Ahh hell.
>
> Do you really think the Half-Life COMMUNITY is not full of tallented
> programmers/hackers who can easily whip up an offline replacement? They
> already have, remember. We're quite a smart bunch sometimes (difool
> excluded.)

Actually, when I say "offline" I mean a Steam replacement. It'd be nice
to be able to play multiplayer on the Net without Steam.

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Ya means ya luvs me too??? I be touched and a bit nervous... Checks my
clothing, especially my socks.... Yer a righteous dude yerself....
Still hugs me trusty Browning A-5 12 gauge closely and peers out the
window to the east.... Crouching, ready to make a break for the
Outlands...

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:27:49 GMT, Strider
<email.given@thepoint.youasknice> wrote:

>Iphigenie proclaimed...
>
>> I don't know... when I had two wait more than 2 days to be able to
>> play a game i had *bought* in a store because steam couldnt cope, I
>> came pretty close to go into a heated debate...
>
>I glad you didn't and don't. You, along with CF are one of the main
>reasons I stuck around in AGHL. I'm grateful for things like this and
>I've not forgotten.
>
>/hugs both.



"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with
the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, cigarette in one hand, favorite beverage in
the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out,
and screaming
WOO HOO - What a Ride!"

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In article <9son01tgk5h3i10on05okr6bcmf26mr47i@4ax.com>, Cannon Fodder
<gonfishn39@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Scratches old bald, scarred head??? Can't think of a thing that
> doesn't call for a drink... Who's buying???
>
> On 10 Feb 2005 22:34:13 GMT, Ipsilateral <iphi@imagis.ch> wrote:
>
> >Not that often that I agree with CF on something even slightly
> >political. Calls for a drink!


Hell, if it's a chance to get Jack *and* Iphi together for a beer, just
make it my round! Pints of Brains SA, Felinfoel Double Dragon or Wye
Valley Brewery's Butty Bach, as you choose.



___
Neil
AKA HighVis

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"/mel/" <news@mel.cix.NOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
news:UX5Pd.132$W_5.89@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> Ben Cottrell wrote:
>
>>> If systems like steam become standard, what happens to a game after
>>> the publisher stops caring, or the developer gets closed? Will
>>> someone nicely continue to pay for the servers or will the game stop
>>> being playable? Will publishers and developers have to put insurance
>>> in place that the servers will remain available for authentication
>>> for a minimum of x years as part of a game's sale - a bit like fine
>>> china?
>>
>> EA already do this for some of their multiplayer games - The game is
>> guaranteed to work online up to a certain date, after which it may or
>> may not still be available. (C&C Generals and BF1942 for example)
>>
>> However, the SP games are unaffected.. but if you only bought the
>> game for multiplayer, it'd be a bit of a bummer.
>
> How many of us are still playing 10 year-old games? What about 20 year-old
> games?

I've still got System Shock which is around 10 years old now that I wouldn't
give up. A couple of others from that era too.

I don't revisit *most* games beyond the first year but the point is, I want
that choice made by *me*, not by the developer.

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SpammersDie wrote:

>>> EA already do this for some of their multiplayer games - The game is
>>> guaranteed to work online up to a certain date, after which it may
>>> or may not still be available. (C&C Generals and BF1942 for example)
>>>
>>> However, the SP games are unaffected.. but if you only bought the
>>> game for multiplayer, it'd be a bit of a bummer.
>>
>> How many of us are still playing 10 year-old games? What about 20
>> year-old games?
>
> I've still got System Shock which is around 10 years old now that I
> wouldn't give up. A couple of others from that era too.
>
> I don't revisit *most* games beyond the first year but the point is,
> I want that choice made by *me*, not by the developer.

Good point. Perhaps a solution would be for the game authors to eventually
release a update - one that removes all restrictions. After all there must
eventually come a point where they are no longer earning any real revenue
from a game. Somehow I'm not convinced that any such thing would actually
happen though.

--

/mel/