hl2 mod creators are disgrace for their kind!

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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, "Jochen Heistermann" wrote:

> I looked around for some good singleplayer maps for HL2, but did
> not find anything special. Can someone recommend some new singleplayer
> maps for me?

let everyone know the following... you can't play hl2 mods off-line!
you must be connected so valve can give you proper authorization to play
and the mod itself
what mod creators will ever accept this????
being accomplice of valve humiliating the gamer!!!
hl2 mod creators are a complete disgrace!!!!
doing hard work and then giving it to valve like a loyal submissive servant!
completely repulsive!

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You can't play Halflife offline either. I don't know what made you
think mods were going to be different.

The Steam setup is slightly annoying, yes. But these guys are probably
tired as hell of seeing half of their rightful income disappear when
the game gets hacked and pirated. I think most people are annoyed with
Steam because it prevents them from pirating the game, not because its
inconvenient.

I really wonder sometimes if the whole global piracy ring is not some
Socialist/Communist front. It seems awfully well organized and also
awfully anti-capitalist. Thoughts anyone?

 

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> you've been brainwashed into procapitalism huh?

Hehe, no. I've just seen what the alternatives are.

 

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> When you buy a single-player game on a CD-ROM in a store, you would
> think that was sufficient to actually be allowed to use it.

Oh no, you have to go online and authenticate! The world is coming to
an end!

> You do notice that Valve is the ONLY game company to use this kind of

> authentication? If it actually was a good idea, others would surely
> have copied it by now?

Well, Valve invented it in this form, so others couldn't be using it by
now. Someone has to be the first...

I fully expect them to license Steam out to other vendors, however. And
if they don't, the other vendors will end up creating their own
version. It's a choice a developer can make: Lose some money to people
disgusted with the authentication, or lose some to people stealing the
software. They think they're going to lose less with Steam than they
would with piracy. They're probably right, but who knows?

Besides, there is a precedent: MS required authentication for XP. So I
guess someone else is doing it...

Certainly not much thinking on your part...

 

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Oh, well, to tell you the truth, I have DSL, so I'm never offline to
try it. I had heard somewhere that you had to connect and authenticate
to play, but I really don't know.

That will teach me to believe the malcontents and anti-Steamers.

 

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Yes... I'm from the USA... you're point?

 

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Yes, yes, I made a booboo. I don't proofread everything I put on a
message board.

You still haven't gotten to "your point".

 

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On 8 Feb 2005 16:15:43 -0800, "mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> wrote:

>Yes... I'm from the USA... you're point?

I think you mean "your point?" "You're point" means "you are point" and
that makes no sense. Just like buying software with stupid copy
protection schemes.

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> I really wonder sometimes if the whole global piracy ring is not some
> Socialist/Communist front. It seems awfully well organized and also
> awfully anti-capitalist. Thoughts anyone?


you've been brainwashed into procapitalism huh?

f r e e
against all -isms
&taking stupid crosspost groups Out

 

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"mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> writes:

> I think most people are annoyed with Steam because it prevents them
> from pirating the game, not because its inconvenient.

Certainly doesn't seem like much thinking on your part to me.

When you buy a single-player game on a CD-ROM in a store, you would
think that was sufficient to actually be allowed to use it.

You do notice that Valve is the ONLY game company to use this kind of
authentication? If it actually was a good idea, others would surely
have copied it by now?

> I really wonder sometimes if the whole global piracy ring is not
> some Socialist/Communist front. It seems awfully well organized and
> also awfully anti-capitalist. Thoughts anyone?

Still not much thinking on your part. Trolling, though...

 

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>From: Tor Iver Wilhelmsen tor.iver.wilhelmsen@broadpark.no
>Date: 2/8/2005 1:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <umzuedahu.fsf@broadpark.no>
>
>"mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> writes:
>
>> I think most people are annoyed with Steam because it prevents them
>> from pirating the game, not because its inconvenient.
>
>Certainly doesn't seem like much thinking on your part to me.
>
>When you buy a single-player game on a CD-ROM in a store, you would
>think that was sufficient to actually be allowed to use it.
>
>You do notice that Valve is the ONLY game company to use this kind of
>authentication? If it actually was a good idea, others would surely
>have copied it by now?

And lots of people like myself avoided the game due to Steam. No other company
is jumping up and announcing a Steam-like plan for their upcoming games, so
don't you think that this event is going to be a blip on the radar that fades
out quickly?

The main thing that Steam has done is expose a bunch of drama queens that have
gone into a frenzy of chest beating and other histrionics just so people notice
them.

Steam was a bad idea, it caused myself and others to avoid even the demo. The
only people who think that this will be a wave of the future are the tinfoil
hat wearing inbreds in the corner.


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Thusly "mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> Spake Unto All:

>You can't play Halflife offline either.

Yes, you can.
Both of them.

 

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"Tor Iver Wilhelmsen" wrote

> You do notice that Valve is the ONLY game company to use this kind of
> authentication? If it actually was a good idea, others would surely
> have copied it by now?

It's not been out long enough for that.

But are you saying that when others start to copy - you will start to think
it's a good idea?

Strange logic I must say.

 

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mrdarklight wrote:
> You can't play Halflife offline either. I don't know what made you
> think mods were going to be different.

What bullshit is this? I play EVERYTHING offline all the time. Even the
mods. I simply don't understand this.

 

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Vince wrote:
> "Tor Iver Wilhelmsen" wrote
>
>
>>You do notice that Valve is the ONLY game company to use this kind of
>>authentication? If it actually was a good idea, others would surely
>>have copied it by now?
>
>
> It's not been out long enough for that.
>
> But are you saying that when others start to copy - you will start to think
> it's a good idea?
>
> Strange logic I must say.
>
>
Valve say they have had interest by other developers/publishers with
regards to Steam.

 

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"mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> wrote in message
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> You can't play Halflife offline either. I don't know what made you
> think mods were going to be different.
>
> The Steam setup is slightly annoying, yes. But these guys are probably
> tired as hell of seeing half of their rightful income disappear when
> the game gets hacked and pirated. I think most people are annoyed with
> Steam because it prevents them from pirating the game, not because its
> inconvenient.

No. People don't get annoyed because they can't pirate a game because they
always can. HL2 has been available from maybe 2 days after release as a
pirate copy.

People get annoyed when they pay to play something and then have to sit
through over an hour of "authentication" - in some cases on a dialup
connection which costs *more* money.

Some time after this, they cannot play this game becuase the Steam servers
are down - even though "offline mode" has been selected.

Valve has produced a great game with a flawed delivery system. It has not
stopped the pirates, but it has royally p1ssed off their own paying
customers.

Given that in the last outage I couldn't play HL1 or any mods (without
reinstalling the whole thing) or HL2 (full stop) and a pirate could carry on
regardless, what do you think I will do next time Valve releases a game via
Steam?

I will pirate it. It is easier. It guarantees access to the single player
game. It makes sure I am not giving my hard earned money to a company whom
has no respect for its customers.

>
> I really wonder sometimes if the whole global piracy ring is not some
> Socialist/Communist front. It seems awfully well organized and also
> awfully anti-capitalist. Thoughts anyone?
>

I am betting at this point that you are from the USA?

 

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On 8 Feb 2005 11:51:37 -0800, "mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> wrote:

>The Steam setup is slightly annoying, yes. But these guys are probably
>tired as hell of seeing half of their rightful income disappear when
>the game gets hacked and pirated.

It didn't work this time either. HL2 was pirated the day it was
released.

>I think most people are annoyed with
>Steam because it prevents them from pirating the game, not because its
>inconvenient.

What are you smoking? Steam wasn't even a speed bump to pirates.

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Johnny Bravo wrote:
> On 8 Feb 2005 11:51:37 -0800, "mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The Steam setup is slightly annoying, yes. But these guys are probably
>>tired as hell of seeing half of their rightful income disappear when
>>the game gets hacked and pirated.
>
>
> It didn't work this time either. HL2 was pirated the day it was
> released.
>
>
>>I think most people are annoyed with
>>Steam because it prevents them from pirating the game, not because its
>>inconvenient.
>
>
> What are you smoking? Steam wasn't even a speed bump to pirates.
>
Depends on what you mean by a "speed bump". It took a little longer to
crack than normal, and no-one had really tried a anti-piracy technique
like Steam before (at least on a mainstream scale). Valve had to try
something; CD-protection simply doesn't work anymore.

 

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GFree wrote:

>> What are you smoking? Steam wasn't even a speed bump to pirates.
>>
> Depends on what you mean by a "speed bump". It took a little longer to
> crack than normal, and no-one had really tried a anti-piracy technique
> like Steam before (at least on a mainstream scale). Valve had to try
> something; CD-protection simply doesn't work anymore.

And as yet, the multiplayer portion of the game is untouched by the
w4r3zd00dz.

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I got a pack of sausages from Tesco the other day and there was this
picture of Anthony Worral Thompson on the front. Below, it read 'prick
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Ben Cottrell wrote:
> GFree wrote:
>
>>> What are you smoking? Steam wasn't even a speed bump to pirates.
>>>
>> Depends on what you mean by a "speed bump". It took a little longer to
>> crack than normal, and no-one had really tried a anti-piracy technique
>> like Steam before (at least on a mainstream scale). Valve had to try
>> something; CD-protection simply doesn't work anymore.
>
>
> And as yet, the multiplayer portion of the game is untouched by the
> w4r3zd00dz.
>

I thought that too, but was wondering why people never used this as a
defence for Steam. I once heard that there are people with pirated
copies of CS:S that can run the game on regular, non-cracker servers.
Don't know if this is true or not.

 

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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:55:37 +0000, GFree wrote:

> Johnny Bravo wrote:
>> On 8 Feb 2005 11:51:37 -0800, "mrdarklight" <robmh@mps.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Steam setup is slightly annoying, yes. But these guys are probably
>>>tired as hell of seeing half of their rightful income disappear when
>>>the game gets hacked and pirated.
>>
>>
>> It didn't work this time either. HL2 was pirated the day it was
>> released.
>>
>>
>>>I think most people are annoyed with
>>>Steam because it prevents them from pirating the game, not because its
>>>inconvenient.
>>
>>
>> What are you smoking? Steam wasn't even a speed bump to pirates.
>>
> Depends on what you mean by a "speed bump". It took a little longer to
> crack than normal, and no-one had really tried a anti-piracy technique
> like Steam before (at least on a mainstream scale). Valve had to try
> something; CD-protection simply doesn't work anymore.

Yes, and just like all the physical disk protection from the days of yore,
steam is more of a PITA to rightful users than a deterrent to piracy.
Personally, I've decided just to live with halflife1 w/steam, but NOT to
purchase halflife2 until Valve removes the onerous steam restrictions.

Halflife 1 should NOT have even been steamified, but I guess they probably
used it to beta test steam itself.

whats next? dongles for every freaking game?

(Also annoyed because I've finally found my win2k cd, but can't find the
$%^#%#$&^! book with my key... I don't really need it right now, but... )

BTW: did this thread get crossposted to enough groups? or did the
originator miss another few thousand?

 

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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:55:37 GMT, GFree <nickt4001@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Depends on what you mean by a "speed bump". It took a little longer to
>crack than normal,

It was pirated the day of global release and required a small fix
for some of the error messages and occasional crash that was released
the next day. While many games are pirated before they are released,
many others are not; this isn't an indication of the strength of the
copy protection.

> and no-one had really tried a anti-piracy technique
>like Steam before (at least on a mainstream scale). Valve had to try
>something; CD-protection simply doesn't work anymore.

And neither did Steam, given that the pirates could download and
play it the same day it came out.

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"Johnny Bravo" <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It was pirated the day of global release and required a small fix
> for some of the error messages and occasional crash that was released
> the next day.

Exactly.. I saw it myself for myself at work. 99% working on
day one, fully working the next. I can't believe there are still
people out there that think that Steam slowed piracy at all. This
doesn't even factor in the 50+ thousand people who were able to
download the game via cd-key exploit, right from Steam. That's
how many keys they banned for it anyhow, and their story about
leaking a false key is ludicrous. I have posted a website several
times that shows how people *still* exploit steam and download
the .GCF's. It's a security nightmare.

 

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>> Yes... I'm from the USA... you're point?


> ...is made. Thank you.


Hmm. Forgive me if I missed something in semantics 101, but merely
saying you have made a point, without actually making any point, is
not, in fact, making a point.

 

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mrdarklight wrote:
> >> Yes... I'm from the USA... you're point?
>
>
> > ...is made. Thank you.
>
>
> Hmm. Forgive me if I missed something in semantics 101, but merely
> saying you have made a point, without actually making any point, is
> not, in fact, making a point.

OK, you're not going to like this but here goes...

You originally said that perhaps all pirates were part of some
communist conspiracy. Probably just an off the cuff quip, but never
mind.

That sort of "Reds under the bed" thinking is associated with America,
(Macarthyism? sp?) hence the question about your nationality. I think
you might appreciate the term "redneck" more than we do in Europe.

When you replied and misspelled "you're" instead of "your", it fitted
another American stereotype of "shoot first, think later" and the
general dimwitted "redneck" thing.

A bit harsh and I would say you have redeemed yourself with a clever
retort (try imagining John Cleese saying it - it works quite well).

And while I'm here... Cannon Fodder - "prick lips"? WTF kind of an
insult is that? Although, to be fair, it's so bad I think it actually
works.