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Anonymous
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July 17, 2005 5:28:53 PM

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I have a client with XP home who is attempting to backup from "C" to
external disk. This is straight copy/paste (no bu program) Some folders
taken individually will copy ok but selection of entire disk fails with
one or two error messages as follows: 1. pagefile is in use by another
program, 2. NTuser - wording not available at this time. Do not know at
this time if user is administrator or ? Can anyone advise me of what to
do for fix. TIA.

Cliffp
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
July 17, 2005 7:42:31 PM

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Clifford R Powell wrote:
> [This followup was posted to
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin and a copy was sent to the
> cited author.]
>
> I have a client with XP home who is attempting to backup from "C" to
> external disk. This is straight copy/paste (no bu program) Some
> folders
> taken individually will copy ok but selection of entire disk fails
> with
> one or two error messages as follows: 1. pagefile is in use by another
> program, 2. NTuser - wording not available at this time. Do not know
> at
> this time if user is administrator or ? Can anyone advise me of what
> to
> do for fix. TIA.

Reboot the computer and not be logged on during the backup and/or exclude
the pagefile (you don't need/want to backup that anyway) and the in-use
(because they are logged on) NTUSER.DAT file of the currently logged on
user.

In other words - if the file is in use - and if they are logged on - many
will be - a straight backup copy just won't do it.

Some thoughts on backing up your system..

The system restore feature is a new one - first appearing in Windows
ME and then sticking around for Windows XP. It is a useful feature
if you keep it maintained and use it to your advantage. Remember that
the system restore pretty much tells you in the name what it protects
which is 'system' files. Your documents, your pictures, your stuff is
NOT system files - so you should also look into some backup solution.

I have seen the automatic system restore go wrong too many times not
to suggest the following.. Whenever you think about it (after doing a
once-over on your machine once a month or so would be optimal) - clear
out your System Restore and create a manual restoration point.

'Why?'

Too many times have I seen the system restore files go corrupt or get
a virus in them, meaning you could not or did not want to restore from
them. By clearing it out periodically you help prevent any corruption
from happening and you make sure you have at least one good "snapshot".
(*This, of course, will erase any previous restore point you have.*)

- Turn off System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310405
- Reboot the Computer.
- Review the first bullet to turn on System Restore
- Make a Manual Restoration Point.
http://snipurl.com/68nx

That covers your system files, but doesn't do anything for the files
that you are REALLY worried about - yours! For that you need to look
into backups. You can either manually copy your important files, folders,
documents, spreadsheets, emails, contacts, pictures, drawings and so on
to an external location (CD/DVD - any disk of some sort, etc) or you can
use the backup tool that comes with Windows XP:

How To Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422

Yes - you still need some sort of external media to store the results
on, but you could schedule the backup to occur when you are not around,
then burn the resultant data onto CD or DVD or something when you are
(while you do other things!)

A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their system
so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a reinstall..
I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it would be worthless to
do for MOST people. Unless you plan on periodically updating the image
backup of your system (remaking it) - then by the time you use it
(something goes wrong) - it will be so outdated as to be more trouble than
performing a full install of the operating system and all applications.

Having said my part against it, you can clone/backup your hard drive
completely using many methods - by far the simplest are using disk cloning
applications:

Symantec/Norton Ghost
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/

Acronis True Image
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
July 17, 2005 8:16:38 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin (More info?)

[This followup was posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
and a copy was sent to the cited author.]

Thank You Richard Urban & Shenan Stanley for your rapid response. Yes I
am aware that what he is doing is not a real backup but merely some data
which has been copied from one disk to another. A real back-up program
is way over his head. I personaly use "Drive Image" and I move to a
removeable hard drive and renew this frequently.

Now to the other problem. I don't understand how you can bootup and not
be logged on, can you explain this please.

> Reboot the computer and not be logged on during the backup and/or exclude
> the pagefile (you don't need/want to backup that anyway) and the in-use
> (because they are logged on) NTUSER.DAT file of the currently logged on
> user.

We will try the restore option but the main reason for copy/paste was to
save data files not system files on another disk. I agree that restore
does fail too many times.
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
July 17, 2005 8:39:00 PM

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Copying to an external drive is NOT backing up. Two different animals, as
your friend will find out if he gets a real backup program. If you use one
of these you will be able to backup everything.

Try "BackUp MyPC". Google for it.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"

"Clifford R Powell" <cliffp@REMOVEMEcox.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d445f5deb7882b98968c@news.west.cox.net...
> [This followup was posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin and
> a copy was sent to the cited author.]
>
> I have a client with XP home who is attempting to backup from "C" to
> external disk. This is straight copy/paste (no bu program) Some folders
> taken individually will copy ok but selection of entire disk fails with
> one or two error messages as follows: 1. pagefile is in use by another
> program, 2. NTuser - wording not available at this time. Do not know at
> this time if user is administrator or ? Can anyone advise me of what to
> do for fix. TIA.
>
> Cliffp
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