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Anonymous
February 14, 2005 3:34:34 AM

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Get Farcry. Much nicer. Steamless, and uses the Cryo engine.

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Anonymous
February 14, 2005 3:41:51 AM

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David Seiver wrote:
> Get Farcry. Much nicer. Steamless, and uses the Cryo engine.
>
>

Unfortunately though, it simply has no character. A little fun at times,
but once the stupid Trigens come a long with their
"I-can-hit-you-several-meters-away" atacks, I simply don't bother.
Anonymous
February 14, 2005 4:35:43 AM

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David Seiver wrote:
> Get Farcry. Much nicer. Steamless, and uses the Cryo engine.
>
>

Well, I've got both. I also recommend PainKiller if you like fast-paced
no-brain action with nice graphics.
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February 14, 2005 9:50:56 AM

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:34:34 GMT, David Seiver <Nonya@bizniss.net>
wrote:

>Get Farcry. Much nicer. Steamless, and uses the Cryo engine.

....no fun, insane difficulty towards the end.

Nice tech demo though.
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Anonymous
February 14, 2005 3:52:45 PM

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"YER YER YER" wrote
>
> Agreed, and it's also not as short as Half Life 2.
>
Rather a short but intensive gameplay than a long and boring
Nothing beats Ravenholm - except for They Hunger maybe

- Peter
Anonymous
February 14, 2005 6:29:50 PM

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"Peter Lykkegaard" <polonline@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "YER YER YER" wrote
> >
> > Agreed, and it's also not as short as Half Life 2.
> >
> Rather a short but intensive gameplay than a long and boring
> Nothing beats Ravenholm - except for They Hunger maybe
>
you must be kidding. farcry beats hl2 hands down! in EVERY way.
hl1 was far more interesting than hl2. as is farcry. it not only beat hl2
to market but also exceeds hl2 in every other aspect.
graphics is a no brainer (2003 generation gfx vs. 2004 generation gfx)
sound the same.
in farcry you have freedom!!! that`s a big plus! you can actually solve it
a lot of different ways, not like hl2 which is more like a ride. absolutely
NO freedom, 100% linear as if on rails!

even the story in farcry i found more engaging (which says a lot because
hl1 was THE standard as to story telling) unfortunately hl2 is little more
than a map collection with little to no story to speak of. you could easily
swap the maps/levels around with absolutely NO difference in the experience.

for me hl2 was the dissapointment of the year - NOT the game of the year :( 
i just hope stalker can lives up to at least half my expectations ^_^
hl2 didn`t :( 

my .02
Jan
Anonymous
February 14, 2005 7:10:46 PM

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"Jan Gruetz" wrote

> you must be kidding. farcry beats hl2 hands down! in EVERY way.

Give me a location on earth which looks like the enviroment in FarCry and
I'll eat dust

Besides look at the crashlanding after you shoot the ... (arghh was it a
helicopter?) down - the exact same place every time

Freedom?
No, you have just the same linear gameplay as in HL2 - it is more hidden
though
A) Take some baddies down B) Go to next spot C) Start from A

If you want freedom in a game check out San Andreas

Speaking of freedom you can take dogs ball with you to Ravenholm and have
some fun there
Some of the puzzles can be solved in different ways

And at last how many mods have been made for FarCry?
Freedom with a game is not just the game itself but any aspects with the
game

- Peter
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 2:04:03 AM

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:29:50 +0100, "Jan Gruetz" <jgfornews@epost.de>
wrote:

>you must be kidding. farcry beats hl2 hands down! in EVERY way.
>hl1 was far more interesting than hl2. as is farcry. it not only beat hl2
>to market but also exceeds hl2 in every other aspect.
>graphics is a no brainer (2003 generation gfx vs. 2004 generation gfx)
>sound the same.
>in farcry you have freedom!!! that`s a big plus! you can actually solve it
>a lot of different ways, not like hl2 which is more like a ride. absolutely
>NO freedom, 100% linear as if on rails!

Actually, they're about the same in story and gameplay. You will like
the enhanced graphics and objects dynamics, though.
Same theme: Some Big Bossman decides to take over the planet using
mutants. I will say that the 'stunts' that your character can perform
are a level above HL2, like flying the hangglider off the cliff.
AI seems better too, as the supporting 'cast' also act out little
plays on their own, not only the main characters.
Of course, both have their merits, but I prefer Far Cry over HL.
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 2:12:59 AM

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David Seiver wrote:
> Same theme: Some Big Bossman decides to take over the planet using
> mutants.

Oh really? You think HL2's premise is that simple? Far Cry perhaps.

A more accurate theme: An alien empire decides to take over the planet
by hybride the dominant species (namely, us).
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 2:14:25 AM

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David Seiver wrote:
> Same theme: Some Big Bossman decides to take over the planet using
> mutants.

Oh really? You think HL2's premise is that simple? Far Cry perhaps.

A more accurate theme: An alien empire decides to take over the planet
by hybridising the dominant species (namely, us). Hence the reason why
when you fight the Combine, you are always fighting human enemies
(except the Xen aliens who are just there for the party).
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 3:15:14 AM

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"David Seiver" <Nonya@bizniss.net> wrote in message
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> AI seems better too, as the supporting 'cast' also act out little
> plays on their own, not only the main characters.

Developers bragging about it doesn't make the AI good. Nor
does the fact that it can "hear" you crawling from a mile away.
Far Cry's AI wasn't bad, but it had some pretty glaring
shortcomings. No reaction to grenades. Always move to
player position in 2D space (instead of establishing line of fire,
something HL2's AI did very well). And quit repeating the
same damn taunts over and over. I thought HL2's AI was
better in many ways, and certainly more fun to play against.
As far as allies go, they were a bit of a nuisance in HL2, but
Val was equally inept.

> Of course, both have their merits, but I prefer Far Cry over HL.

Agreed, though the other way around. One thing Far Cry did
much better was outdoor environments. Look at the horizon
at the end of Water Hazard. WTF?
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 4:00:45 AM

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Peter Lykkegaard wrote:
>
> If you want freedom in a game check out San Andreas

Or World of Warcraft :) 

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Anonymous
February 15, 2005 6:47:20 AM

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"David Seiver" <Nonya@bizniss.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:29:50 +0100, "Jan Gruetz" <jgfornews@epost.de>
> wrote:
>
>> you must be kidding. farcry beats hl2 hands down! in EVERY way.
>> hl1 was far more interesting than hl2. as is farcry. it not only
>> beat hl2 to market but also exceeds hl2 in every other aspect.
>> graphics is a no brainer (2003 generation gfx vs. 2004 generation
>> gfx) sound the same.
>> in farcry you have freedom!!! that`s a big plus! you can actually
>> solve it a lot of different ways, not like hl2 which is more like a
>> ride. absolutely NO freedom, 100% linear as if on rails!
>
> Actually, they're about the same in story and gameplay. You will like
> the enhanced graphics and objects dynamics, though.
> Same theme: Some Big Bossman decides to take over the planet using
> mutants. I will say that the 'stunts' that your character can perform
> are a level above HL2, like flying the hangglider off the cliff.
> AI seems better too, as the supporting 'cast' also act out little
> plays on their own, not only the main characters.
> Of course, both have their merits, but I prefer Far Cry over HL.

The scenery is great in Far Cry. Gameplay is SiN all over. The CryTek
engine is pretty good tho. I enjoyed sniping the humans outdoors a lot.
The TriGens just made it an arcade shooter. Some of the scenes were
just absolutely ridiculous. Now, back to HL2 and Doom3 :) 
McG.
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 2:18:57 PM

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"Paul Catley" wrote

> Or World of Warcraft :) 
>
Or Real-Life (tm)

The kids is scuffling around in FFXI
I'll expect they eventually will upgrade to WoW

Sounds like something they'd have to go through
You know killing their FFXI character and start from sratch in WoW

I am not going to pay a monthly fee for both games, no way :) 

- Peter
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 2:25:56 PM

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"McGrandpa" wrote

> I enjoyed sniping the humans outdoors a lot.

By which you don't raise any alerts in the base - strange and mysteriously
behaviour by the AI

NPC down (or found) -> trigger alert -> man radio -> call for backup
How hard would that be?
Look at the AI for eg Vietcong, CoD or the MoH series for how it can be done

- Peter
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 2:45:03 PM

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"Peter Lykkegaard" <polonline@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "McGrandpa" wrote
>
> > I enjoyed sniping the humans outdoors a lot.
>
> By which you don't raise any alerts in the base - strange and mysteriously
> behaviour by the AI

Strange, it always did for me. Maybe a function of difficulty level. The
mystery for me was how I could take out a sniper from half a mile away,
and a couple of minutes later be surrounded by a bunch of grunts who
could not possibly have seen me.
February 15, 2005 3:04:46 PM

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:45:03 GMT, "nutt" <octaviola@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Strange, it always did for me. Maybe a function of difficulty level. The
>mystery for me was how I could take out a sniper from half a mile away,
>and a couple of minutes later be surrounded by a bunch of grunts who
>could not possibly have seen me.

That was one of my main gripes with the game. They went to a lot of
trouble to produce a good sniper rifle and the ability to hold your
breath to take a shot, only to totally negate its use with enemies
that can home in on you and shoot you with unrealistic accuracy from a
large distance away.
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Anonymous
February 15, 2005 10:57:49 PM

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nutt wrote:
>
> Strange, it always did for me. Maybe a function of difficulty level.
> The mystery for me was how I could take out a sniper from half a mile
> away, and a couple of minutes later be surrounded by a bunch of
> grunts who could not possibly have seen me.

The miracle of radio?

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Anonymous
February 16, 2005 8:07:33 AM

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"Paul Catley" <paul.notreallymyaddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> nutt wrote:
> >
> > Strange, it always did for me. Maybe a function of difficulty level.
> > The mystery for me was how I could take out a sniper from half a mile
> > away, and a couple of minutes later be surrounded by a bunch of
> > grunts who could not possibly have seen me.
>
> The miracle of radio?

The guy I killed radioed his mates? That would be a miracle.
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 8:20:45 AM

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nutt wrote:
> "Paul Catley" <paul.notreallymyaddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37f2iaF55p6ipU1@individual.net...
>
>>nutt wrote:
>>
>>>Strange, it always did for me. Maybe a function of difficulty level.
>>>The mystery for me was how I could take out a sniper from half a mile
>>>away, and a couple of minutes later be surrounded by a bunch of
>>>grunts who could not possibly have seen me.
>>
>>The miracle of radio?
>
>
> The guy I killed radioed his mates? That would be a miracle.
>
>

One merc see's another merc drop dead, while at the same time hears the
crack from yours rifle, at which point he works out the general
direction of the shot and uses his RADIO to contact the other mercs to
hunt you down.
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 6:20:08 AM

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GFree wrote:
> One merc see's another merc drop dead, while at the same time hears
the
> crack from yours rifle, at which point he works out the general
> direction of the shot and uses his RADIO to contact the other mercs
to
> hunt you down.

Plus, if you have the auto-balance switched on, the mercs do learn a
bit about how you work. It's the equivalent of them knowing the terrain
far better than you and knowing where the weak spots in their defence
are.
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 6:48:43 AM

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Peter Lykkegaard wrote:
> Freedom?
> No, you have just the same linear gameplay as in HL2 - it is more
hidden
> though
> A) Take some baddies down B) Go to next spot C) Start from A

You're missing the point about "freedom". It's not freedom to do
anything you like, but freedom to achieve the next goal in more than
one way.

In HL there is only one way forward. Occasionally there are big set
pieces where you can adopt different tactics (eg. the prison cell
battle). But you can't avoid the battle by taking a different route.
Equally the puzzles must be solved to proceed. There is no other route.

In Far Cry you choose how you want to go forward. Granted there have to
be some limits to this, if only for technical reasons, but by and large
you can wander wherever you like and approach your goal in any way you
want. You can play it HL style by following the obvious road, and
identifying and dealing with each hazard as you encounter them. Or you
can play it Thief style and try not be noticed at all. For most people
I guess it's somewhere in between and the balance between gung-ho and
stealth is a personal choice made to suit the circumstances of each
level.

There are also different options presented more obviously in each
level. For example, you could work your way around the beach, down the
road, through the undergrowth or over the hillside. If you can find a
boat, you can go by water and cut out a lot of land-based hassle and
arrive armed with a big gun to clear your landing point. I quote two
examples very early in the game:

1) You're told to steal a vehicle from a training camp. For starters,
the camp can be approached from all sides. You can run in firing madly,
or maybe pick them off one-by one from a distance and then retreat
until they calm down. Or take out the lookouts and pick the rest off
from the lookout tower. Or sneak in, distract the guards with a
carefully thrown stone and steal the jeep. Or blow up the fuel dump on
the hillside and nick the jeep while they're investigating. Or run in,
get the jeep and deal with them using the jeep's mounted gun. Or blow
up some fuel barrels and hope they caught in the explosion. Or any of
the above, changing tactics as required. I suspect it's possible to
ignore the jeep and just run off down the road.

2) From the training camp you must make your way to a wrecked ship
further down the coast. How to get there? You're pretty much limited to
the beach in this instance, but your options are still wide open. If
you've got the jeep, you can drive there. Or you can go on foot. There
are other jeeps en route, so you can get a new vehicle if yours is
trashed (assuming you haven't blown the others up as you dealt with the
soldiers). Or you can take out the guys in the patrol boats and drive
their armed boat instead. Or mix and match as required.

HL2 isn't that kind of game. It's much more about set pieces, and the
price you pay for this is the freedom to reach the next "checkpoint" or
goal in your fashion. Doesn't make it better or worse, just different.
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 8:20:24 PM

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Andrew wrote:

> Nice tech demo though.

That is exactly what Far Cry is, a nice tech demo but not much more.
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 2:30:03 AM

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Chadwick wrote:
> GFree wrote:
>
>>One merc see's another merc drop dead, while at the same time hears the
>>crack from yours rifle, at which point he works out the general
>>direction of the shot and uses his RADIO to contact the other mercs to
>>hunt you down.
>
>
> Plus, if you have the auto-balance switched on, the mercs do learn a
> bit about how you work. It's the equivalent of them knowing the terrain
> far better than you and knowing where the weak spots in their defence
> are.
>

I never used auto-balance for a full game. I tried it with the demo but
couldn't determine any specific changes. Besides, I prefer static skill
levels. If the enemy is difficult to kill, I want them to remain at that
level of difficulty and instead improve MY skills until I can defeat them.
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:36:40 AM

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> Or you can take out the guys in the patrol boats and drive
> their armed boat instead.

When I tried reaching the carrier on foot, I found the best way to steal the
patrol boats when you don't have an ideal sniping weapon was to let them
spot me, then run back into the trees out of the boat's rocket range. The
smeagols and deagols they hire to drive those boats usually park the silly
thing and chase me on foot. So instead of a rocket-launching boat, I'm just
facing two regular mercs and a boat free for the taking.
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 2:14:18 AM

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:36:40 GMT, "SpammersDie" <xx@xx.xx> wrote:

>> Or you can take out the guys in the patrol boats and drive
>> their armed boat instead.
>
>When I tried reaching the carrier on foot, I found the best way to steal the
>patrol boats when you don't have an ideal sniping weapon was to let them
>spot me, then run back into the trees out of the boat's rocket range. The
>smeagols and deagols they hire to drive those boats usually park the silly
>thing and chase me on foot. So instead of a rocket-launching boat, I'm just
>facing two regular mercs and a boat free for the taking.
>
>

Yeah, there's a lot of options to completing a waypoint. For instance,
I discovered the Hanglider is handy for boarding the Tanker if no boat
is available.
!