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Radeon 8500 or Nvidia FX5200

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August 25, 2005 7:29:52 PM

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The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
and photo editing.

Thanks,
Greg
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August 26, 2005 2:21:39 AM

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From what i remember the 8500 was a great card (i owned a vivo) ive used a
pc with 5200 and it was pretty poor but it was a while ago, saying that how
much is your budget and what kind of games do u want to play.?

doughnut



"Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
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> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
> and photo editing.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
August 26, 2005 2:21:40 AM

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There is no budget. I don't want to invest in a new card. I will either use
the one I have now (ati) or I can swap it out for the Nvidia. This is in a
dell 4300 1.6ghz p4. So the video games aren't too graphic intense.


"Doughnut" <doughnut@doughnut.com> wrote in message
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> From what i remember the 8500 was a great card (i owned a vivo) ive used
> a pc with 5200 and it was pretty poor but it was a while ago, saying that
> how much is your budget and what kind of games do u want to play.?
>
> doughnut
>
>
>
> "Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
> news:o OOdnZ2dnZ1kU8SCnZ2dnSG3k96dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@arkansas.net...
>> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
>> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
>> and photo editing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>>
>
>
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August 26, 2005 3:32:40 AM

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In my opinion the Radeon 8500. It's normally faster than the 5200 and the
ultra version and will have much better image quality in games. AF was
practically free when I used it in games on my Radeon 8500. The 2d image
quality is top notch.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index...

Dan
August 26, 2005 5:05:47 AM

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"Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
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> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
> and photo editing.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

The 5200 is a significant downgrade in speed and quality. Even if it's a
128it version, which many of them aren't.
Anonymous
August 26, 2005 6:14:11 AM

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The 8500 GPU supports Direct X 8.1 the 5200 Direct X 9.0.
If you get the 5200, make sure it is the faster "Ultra" model.
I was able to get a used ATI 9600 off eBay for $41.

"Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
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> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
> and photo editing.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
Anonymous
August 26, 2005 6:51:15 AM

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Greg wrote:
> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
> and photo editing.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
I have owned both, the 8500 was genuine ATI, it ran good, but I
have to say the 5200 ran better. Now this is a PNY 128 MB card, and I
did OC it to 300 or so for the gpu. I am usually a fan of ATI, have
owned many many ATI cards, but I have to honestly say the 5200 ran
better and some games looked and played better. Most would disagree but
I seriously doubt the 8500 could run Farcry, and the 5200 ran it at
medium settings 1024 x 768 with decent framerates. I have since bought a
6800 and like that a lot, but the 5200 is far better than the way people
make it out to be. Sorry, but I am just telling it like it is.
Anonymous
August 26, 2005 9:39:51 PM

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At that time I'm sure it was true, but that test is over 18 months old,
NVIDIA has had lots of time to improve the drivers for the 5200.

"Baarikoira" <me@some.where> wrote in message
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> http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index...
>
> Radeon 8500 64MB vs GF FX5200 Ultra
> 8 2
>
> According to that 8500 is the faster card
> of these two in most games.
>
August 26, 2005 10:59:06 PM

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"tod" <no_spam_i@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> At that time I'm sure it was true, but that test is over 18 months old,
> NVIDIA has had lots of time to improve the drivers for the 5200.

Yes, and ATI's has had time for drivers to have improved too. A 128bit 5200
is not as fast as an 8500 card in any way shape or form. It may have DX9 but
on a card that slow it's immaterial. There are no 5200 Ultras for sale
anymore, and even the Ultra would get a 3DMark03 of 10,400 and the
non-Ultra 128bit would get 8150on a P4 2.8. A Radeon 8500 does about 11,000
on an equivalent system.
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August 27, 2005 1:31:52 AM

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"Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
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I have an 8500Pro and it works fine. Rest of system is a 2600XP, 512Mb
DDR400 Ram, MSI mobo.

Runs Far Cry well enough on low setting but is a but jumpy on medium and
won't do high.
Medal of Honor and Call of Duty run well enough both singleplayer and online
and these are the only games I play at the moment.

I am currently looking at an upgrade though - maybe a 9600XT or a 9700Pro.
Anonymous
August 27, 2005 3:43:30 AM

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Augustus wrote:
> anymore, and even the Ultra would get a 3DMark03 of 10,400 and the
> non-Ultra 128bit would get 8150on a P4 2.8. A Radeon 8500 does about 11,000
> on an equivalent system.

Don't you mean 3DMark2001.
August 27, 2005 4:39:14 AM

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"de Moni" <demonimummFILTER@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Augustus wrote:
>> anymore, and even the Ultra would get a 3DMark03 of 10,400 and the
>> non-Ultra 128bit would get 8150on a P4 2.8. A Radeon 8500 does about
>> 11,000 on an equivalent system.
>
> Don't you mean 3DMark2001.

You're right.
Anonymous
August 27, 2005 3:14:56 PM

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I have had both cards at the same time in identical systems.
amd1800+, 512 ram, soyo dragon plus boards

I played with them both for months and I can tell you each has its use. but
to pick one or the other I could not do. the ati is faster but the nvidi has
more ram.
in games I ended up using the ati 8500 sys more but in every day work I
fired up the fx 5200 sys.
you say your gona do desktop publishing and photo editing.
so I say go with the fx5200 the extra ram will help and the slightly slower
speed will not effect you at all.



"Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
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> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
> and photo editing.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
Anonymous
August 27, 2005 5:09:47 PM

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Desktop publishing at 2048x1536, 32-bit color requires only 8 MB of video
memory. The RAMDAC doesn't get used if you drive an LCD through a DVI
digital connection. Either card is overkill for your professional usage.

I say get a nVidia Geforce4 Ti4200 (or Ti4600 if you find it for cheap).
It's faster than both, and has better-quality FSAA than the 8500.

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"Greg" <gh@vcw.com> wrote in message
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> The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the same.
> This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop publishing
> and photo editing.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
Anonymous
August 28, 2005 6:53:35 AM

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Augustus wrote:
> "de Moni" <demonimummFILTER@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:D enuqg$q8v$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
>
>>Augustus wrote:
>>
>>>anymore, and even the Ultra would get a 3DMark03 of 10,400 and the
>>>non-Ultra 128bit would get 8150on a P4 2.8. A Radeon 8500 does about
>>>11,000 on an equivalent system.
>>
>>Don't you mean 3DMark2001.
>
>
> You're right.
>
>
doesn't matter to me, but there is no friggin way a 8500 would run
FarCry well, it was a 64 MB card and even BF 1942 didn't run real well
on it. I really could not care less what Tom says. This is a good 5200,
trust me. Also consider it was slightly overclocked.
Anonymous
August 29, 2005 12:17:31 AM

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FWIW - I own a couple of nVidia's and a couple of ATI's in various pc's.
After couple years now I can honestly say I've had a lot less problems with
nVidia's drivers etc. than ATI's. The ATI cards seem a lot more prone to
"wonder what got installed that changed ??? so it no longer works as it did"

As far as "compatibility" goes, I've never been able to get Final Fantasy
VII to run on any of the ATI cards, conversely I've never been able to get
VRally III to run on any of the nVidia cards. That's across multiple OS's.

"farmuse" <spammenot@farms.net> wrote in message
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> Greg wrote:
> > The Radeon has 64 meg and the Nvidia has 128. But the Ramdac is the
same.
> > This is for a desktop. Some 3D game playing. Otherwise desktop
publishing
> > and photo editing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> >
> I have owned both, the 8500 was genuine ATI, it ran good, but I
> have to say the 5200 ran better. Now this is a PNY 128 MB card, and I
> did OC it to 300 or so for the gpu. I am usually a fan of ATI, have
> owned many many ATI cards, but I have to honestly say the 5200 ran
> better and some games looked and played better. Most would disagree but
> I seriously doubt the 8500 could run Farcry, and the 5200 ran it at
> medium settings 1024 x 768 with decent framerates. I have since bought a
> 6800 and like that a lot, but the 5200 is far better than the way people
> make it out to be. Sorry, but I am just telling it like it is.
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