the only admissible costs in pc games

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the only admissible costs in pc games

for the record...

ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
- costs to start up
.. pc hardware
.. pc operating system
- costs for each single game
.. retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
- cost for playing and usability
.. electricity cost to make pc function

EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
.. monthly fees
.. humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
.. requiring internet connection to play
.. requiring internet connection to install
.. requiring internet connection to patch
.. requiring internet connection to purchase

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"sayNO2steam" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> the only admissible costs in pc games
>
> for the record...
>
> ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> - costs to start up
> . pc hardware
> . pc operating system
> - costs for each single game
> . retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
> - cost for playing and usability
> . electricity cost to make pc function
>
> EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees
> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
> . requiring internet connection to play
> . requiring internet connection to install
> . requiring internet connection to patch
> . requiring internet connection to purchase
>
> --
> post made in a steam-free computer
> i said "NO" to valve and steam
>
> against steam campaign
> http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/
>
> steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
> http://www.steamwatch.org/
>
> please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html


Dude, on one hand I feel sorry for you (do you not have a
girlfriend/boyfriend, family, friends, etc) as you constantly SPAM this
newsgroup with the same thing over and over, your hatred for STEAM. We got
it. We got it the first time, we get it now the 40th time, time to move on.
Perhaps take it to the streets or storm Valve's offices with custom made
T-Shirts and your online army in person. Just stop spamming this newsgroup
with the same thing over and over and over.

On the other hand I think you have great focus and if you do indeed have
time to kill, why not use this time to raise money for disease research
(fundraising) or volunteering at the hospital as a companion to someone that
is on their last days of life or some other worthy cause that everyone can
benefit from? Seriously.

 

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When you grow up you'll be amazed that you ever had the time to devote to
this sort of silliness.

 

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:29:26 -0600, Dweeb <dbohnenberger@yahoo.com> wrote:

>When you grow up you'll be amazed that you ever had the time to devote to
>this sort of silliness.

Lots of us are getting older but we never have to grow up. That would be
boring. Like you.

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"sayNO2steam" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > EXTRA
COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees
> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
> . requiring internet connection to play
> . requiring internet connection to install
> . requiring internet connection to patch
> . requiring internet connection to purchase

You forgot to mention that 'they' think I pay for an ISP for their
connivance.
When they start paying for an ISP connection and a modem then they
can use it.

 

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:05:10 +0000, sayNO2steam
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>the only admissible costs in pc games
>
>for the record...
>
>ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
>- costs to start up
>. pc hardware
>. pc operating system
>- costs for each single game
>. retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
>- cost for playing and usability
>. electricity cost to make pc function
>
>EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
>. monthly fees
>. humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
>. requiring internet connection to play
>. requiring internet connection to install
>. requiring internet connection to patch
>. requiring internet connection to purchase

Apart from MMORPGs, which require a monthly fee, and any online
FPS'ers, that require an internet connection.

Oh - and every 12-24 months, you need to do all the first part again,
if you want to be able to play the games of the day...

--

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They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !

 

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Knight37 wrote:

> Doesn't it bother you that at any point in time in the future, your
> descendants (assuming you find someone crazy enough to breed with
you) will
> be able to look back at this on Google (or whatever it will be called
then)
> and see what an idiot you were? I bet it will make them feel proud.
;p

Difool has this covered. He knows everything he writes is bullshit so
he set up his headers not to have google archive his posts. Convient
that you can't easily throw his contradictory claims back in his face.

 

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sayNO2steam wrote:
> the only admissible costs in pc games
>
> for the record...
>
> ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> - costs to start up
> . pc hardware
> . pc operating system
> - costs for each single game
> . retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
> - cost for playing and usability
> . electricity cost to make pc function

You forgot to include the monthly fee for internet connection.

> EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees

Then don't buy them.

> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation

Say hi to Dr. Katz for me. Tell him you need to up your visits to five
days a week. I recommend electro-shock treatments once a week.

> . requiring internet connection to play

How is someone supposed to play an MMORPG?

> . requiring internet connection to install
> . requiring internet connection to patch

So you are saying that people should be FORCED to buy a magazine so
they can get a demo disc that MIGHT have patches. Which they wouldn't
know because it never says on the magazine what patches are included. I
would rather download the patch at no extra cost to me at my convience.

> . requiring internet connection to purchase

Then how are the small developers who cannot get a publisher to send
out their games going to sell their games?

Nevermind, I forgot I was replying with a sick sick sick sick sick sick
sick sick sick sick sick sick sick freak.

 

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> the only admissible costs in pc games

> . electricity cost to make pc function


I thought you had a wind-up PC ?

 

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sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> once tried to test me with:

> the only admissible costs in pc games

Is this the SayNo2Steam MANIFESTO?!! Aka the DiFool Manifesto!

I better save this off, so I can refer to it later.

> for the record...
>
> ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> - costs to start up
> . pc hardware
> . pc operating system
> - costs for each single game
> . retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
> - cost for playing and usability
> . electricity cost to make pc function

What about costs for the ISP which you're going to need so you can download
the inevitable patches?

> EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees

I'm happy to pay my $16/month for World of Warcraft. It's more than worth
it.

> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation

That costs me nothing and I am not humiliated by it, I don't even really
notice it's happening or care for that matter.

> . requiring internet connection to play

That leaves out a shitload of excellent games. As in most of the fun ones.

> . requiring internet connection to install

Of this entire waste of text, this is the ONLY thing that makes any sense
whatsoever. In an ideal world, a single-player game that has no online
component shouldn't need to access the internet to install. But we don't
live in an ideal world, and I'd rather have a one-time online activation,
than having to put the goddamn CD in the drive EVERY TIME I PLAY THE GAME.
If those are my 2 options, I'll take online activation EVERY TIME.

> . requiring internet connection to patch

Uh... how else are you going to get the patch? Demo CD's?

> . requiring internet connection to purchase

Some of the best games I've played are internet-purchases. It's the most
efficient way to buy games. And the best.


FREE CLUE:

YOUR OPINIONS ARE NOT FACT!
YOUR OPINIONS ARE NOT LAW!
YOU ARE A MORON!

Doesn't it bother you that at any point in time in the future, your
descendants (assuming you find someone crazy enough to breed with you) will
be able to look back at this on Google (or whatever it will be called then)
and see what an idiot you were? I bet it will make them feel proud. ;p

--

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People with your disorder almost always move from one obsession to
another...I'm wondering what you were obsessed with before Steam...can you
give me a hint, as I'm really curious.

 

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It was either eggs or pickles... No other choice....

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:04:03 -0500, "Grackle" <nowhere@lalaland.ca>
wrote:

>People with your disorder almost always move from one obsession to
>another...I'm wondering what you were obsessed with before Steam...can you
>give me a hint, as I'm really curious.
>



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AKA "Grumpy Old Fart
AKA "Certified Senior Curmudgeon"
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"Never argue with an idiot, they'll
drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience..."

 

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I haven't seen zero extra cost because of steam. Just because you think
it may happen doesn't mean it will. MMOs will always have an extra
cost. That is because they have an ongoing expense with servers. We've
already been over this months ago. It's time you move on in your life.
Nothing you say out here will change anything. Companies listen to
people with their wallet. They don't listen to some Napoleon loser on
Usenet, gosh!

 

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On 26 Feb 2005 Knight37 wrote:

> What about costs for the ISP which you're going to need so you can
> download the inevitable patches?

with the exception of steam which is why its so wrong, every other
pc game has single file patches available for free that can be very
easily distributed by many means

currently i get patches from other fellow gamers, so i don't need
to pay lonts of money to my isp to download patches

so there you have it another reason why i'm against steam!
pay for patches
with steam you pay for everything, its totally insane!

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On 26 Feb 2005 "Hank the Rapper" wrote:

probably i was not that inspired
i admit it didn't truly represent the best of what i can do

but bottom line what i wanted to say is...
if things go the way of steam and mmo we will face dark and
worrisome times in pc games
i'm just warning everyone to try and run away from the storm

if you don't care or if you don't want to face the truth that
is your option but the facts are clear...
steam and mmo means MORE COSTS FOR PC GAMES!

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:17:59 +0000, sayNO2steam
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 26 Feb 2005 Knight37 wrote:
>
>> What about costs for the ISP which you're going to need so you can
>> download the inevitable patches?
>
>with the exception of steam which is why its so wrong, every other
>pc game has single file patches available for free that can be very
>easily distributed by many means
>
>currently i get patches from other fellow gamers, so i don't need
>to pay lonts of money to my isp to download patches
>
What do you need patches for? Your computer is broken and you can't
play anything. You said so yourself.

>so there you have it another reason why i'm against steam!
>pay for patches
You pay for patches? I guess that's what you get for ragging on Valve
every chance you get. They give me the patches for free.

>with steam you pay for everything, its totally insane!
I think what you meant to say is "I'm totally insane!"


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"sayNO2steam" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> the only admissible costs in pc games
>
> for the record...
>
> ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> - costs to start up
> . pc hardware
> . pc operating system
> - costs for each single game
> . retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
> - cost for playing and usability
> . electricity cost to make pc function
>
> EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees
> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
> . requiring internet connection to play
> . requiring internet connection to install
> . requiring internet connection to patch
> . requiring internet connection to purchase

So you don't like internet games and the idea of paying an additional fee to
support the online play... the simple solution is to just not buy them.

Just because you like or don't like something doesn't mean everybody else in
the world feels the same way.

 

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"Augustus" <Imperial.Palace@Rome.com> wrote in message
news:38eka6F5l8runU1@individual.net...
> So you don't like internet games and the idea of paying an
> additional fee to
> support the online play... the simple solution is to just not buy
> them.
>
> Just because you like or don't like something doesn't mean
> everybody else in
> the world feels the same way.
>
But why would you force him, and others, to pay for it?
There could easily be a patch you pay to d/l that will enable
on-line gaming.

 

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sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:80s221lgbompkgbo05mpvu0jgdlch26kmn@4ax.com:

> currently i get patches from other fellow gamers, so i don't need
> to pay lonts of money to my isp to download patches

So while you want to make sure that no patches are done by the internet
because *you* don't want to pay cash, you have no problem mooching off of
what your friends pay for...

You do realize that if you were serious, you wouldn't accept patches unless
everyone could get them for free without the internet. You not paying,
while your friends do does not count as free!!

--
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sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ktf0211470u0cpbhh0qiaoe19pjg54cat3@4ax.com:

> EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees
> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
> . requiring internet connection to play
> . requiring internet connection to install
> . requiring internet connection to patch
> . requiring internet connection to purchase

Nuts. Im not big on the "requiring internet connection to install" but the
others not even worth considering as a blanket statement. Change it to
being your own opinion and it will at least make sense.

Gandalf Parker

 

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:05:10 +0000, sayNO2steam
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

When you feel that your posts are worth archiving, I'll feel they
are worth reading.

--
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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft

 

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Marcel Beaudoin <mbeauINVALID@Sympatic.INVALID.ca> once tried to test me
with:

> sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:80s221lgbompkgbo05mpvu0jgdlch26kmn@4ax.com:
>
>> currently i get patches from other fellow gamers, so i don't need
>> to pay lonts of money to my isp to download patches
>
> So while you want to make sure that no patches are done by the
> internet because *you* don't want to pay cash, you have no problem
> mooching off of what your friends pay for...
>
> You do realize that if you were serious, you wouldn't accept patches
> unless everyone could get them for free without the internet. You not
> paying, while your friends do does not count as free!!

It seems diFool's hypocrisy knows no bounds.


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"1411" <poopoo@poop.com> once tried to test me with:

>
> "Augustus" <Imperial.Palace@Rome.com> wrote in message
> news:38eka6F5l8runU1@individual.net...
>> So you don't like internet games and the idea of paying an
>> additional fee to
>> support the online play... the simple solution is to just not buy
>> them.
>>
>> Just because you like or don't like something doesn't mean
>> everybody else in
>> the world feels the same way.
>>
> But why would you force him, and others, to pay for it?
> There could easily be a patch you pay to d/l that will enable
> on-line gaming.

The issue being discussed is PAY TO PLAY online games.

The ONLY way to play those games are to play them online.


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sayNO2steam wrote:
> the only admissible costs in pc games
>
> for the record...
>
> ADMISSIBLE COSTS TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> - costs to start up
> . pc hardware
> . pc operating system
> - costs for each single game
> . retail packaged box cd/dvd pc game itself pay once use forever
> - cost for playing and usability
> . electricity cost to make pc function
>
> EXTRA COSTS NOT ADMISSIBLE TO PLAY PC GAMES:
> . monthly fees
> . humiliating "ask for permission" online activation
> . requiring internet connection to play
> . requiring internet connection to install
> . requiring internet connection to patch
> . requiring internet connection to purchase

The extra costs are not necessary for single-player games, but if
available as an option they can make life easier.
For multi-player games, particularly MMO games, most of the second list
are "admissable". Obviously I'd love to play online games without a
monthly fee (who wouldn't?), but realistically, someone's got to pay
for the continuing development and maintenance of the game world and
the hardware.

I would say your second list is "Optional, but not essential".

 

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Chadwick <chadwick110@hotmail.com> typed as if devouring a plate of
spoo:
> For multi-player games, particularly MMO games, most of the second
> list are "admissable". Obviously I'd love to play online games
> without a monthly fee (who wouldn't?), but realistically, someone's
> got to pay for the continuing development and maintenance of the game
> world and the hardware.
>

I dunno, I've never seen id charge monthly fees (or any fees at all) to play
Quake 3 online <g>

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