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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:48:20 +0200, "rvn" <rvnuman@tiscali.nl> wrote:
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>Thank You Patrick for the detailed explanation !
>
>I got the box-version now, I didn't know before
>what OEM really ment (except: without packing and
>games, et cetera, et cetera ). Well I hope it will
>work now properly (?).
>
>Thank You again !
>
>Good-Bye !, Jeroen
>
Ah, gets a little more complicated here, Jeroen!
OEM doesn't refer to whether the card is sold in a box with extras or
as a bare card with only essentials (driver CD/connectors); it refers
to whether the card was made by ATI themselves or by an OEM
manufacturer, who buys the chips from ATI and incorporates them into
their own card. The 'bare card' and boxed versions are usually called
'lite' and 'retail;' OEMs often make both. Here's Wiki's explanation
of OEM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_equipment_manufacturer.
ATI only manufacture cards for the American (US, Canada and some South
American countries) market now; these are always based on the NTSC
video standards. The PAL and SECAM versions that are needed for use
in most of the world are all made by OEMs, whether boxed or lite
versions. AFAIK the last PAL/SECAM AIWs made by ATI were probably
the 9700 Pro ones.
So you may still have trouble getting MMC to install and run on your
boxed card; however, this shouldn't be so much of a problem now as you
should have other TV and DVD software included with your card.
Patrick
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>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:38:56 +0200, "rvn" <rvnuman@tiscali.nl> wrote:
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>>>
>>>Thank You Lance and Patrick for your help !
>>>
>>>I ment with "the new MMC 9.08 doesn't install / work ?",
>>>the new 9.08 version started installing but interrupt halfway
>>>(if that is correct "English"). Must have something todo with
>>>OEM ((because the pgrm doesn't recognize the card) Patrick
>>>did know that already !)). Well, tomorrow after school I am
>>>going back to the shop and I will ask that girl of my card has an
>>>identity-crisis ? (it doesn't really matter, I like to see her again)
>>>
.
>>>
>>>CU! , Jeroen
>>>
>>>
>> Unfortunately, Jeroen, if the problem does lie with MMC not
>> recognising the card, IMHO this is planned behaviour and not a fault.
>> The Catalyst drivers are supposed to work with any Radeon card, 'Built
>> by' or OEM, but MMC is not meant necessarily to work with OEMs.
>>
>> I've found that you can usually get MMC to install on OEM cards, but
>> the TV/Video In apps usually won't install (don't give you the option)
>> or, if they do, won't run, and of course you need a Catalyst CD for
>> the DVD Player. Kind of defeats the object of using MMC...
>>
>> I have succeeded in getting MMC 8.x to install and run the Video In
>> app successfully with a Sapphire 9600 Pro, by editing the card BIOS to
>> identify it as a 'Built by ATI' card, but still couldn't get MMC
>> 7.7.0.1 to install and run its Video In app that way. Never tried MMC
>> 9.x that way.
>>
>> Generally, the best bet with OEM cards is to use one of the many other
>> DVD and TV players around: I've found WinDVD and WinDVR to be the
>> best. Unfortunately, it seems to me that the producers of many of the
>> TV apps have not bothered to optimise their software for non NTSC
>> standards, good though they may be in other respects. I'd hate to
>> think they produced as poor a picture with NTSC signals as well...
>>
>> There's really only one other app I found to work well with a PAL
>> picture, and that was Showshifter, which, unfortunately, has an
>> interface I found unattractive and awkward to use (I'd describe it as
>> 'clunky'). Personally, for an OEM ATI card for use outside North
>> America, I'd use WinDVD and Win DVR. YMMV.
>>
>> But, by all means go and chat up the girl in the shop, and good luck!
>> ;-)
>>
>> Patrick
>>
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>> <snip>
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