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Anonymous
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April 15, 2004 4:03:27 AM

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Hello:

Is there anyone using the Acronis True Image 7.0 with ThinkPad T40 and is
able to boot from its rescue CD? I have used True Image Server within XP
Pro to create the bootable rescue CD. When I boot from the CD, I can see
the True Image logo come up and then it give me a blank screen and just
stop booting.

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Thanks,
John Chan
Toronto
Anonymous
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April 15, 2004 4:03:28 AM

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I tried the demo version on a ThinkPad T30 and had the same problem.
My solution was to upgrade to the new version of DriveImage instead,
even though Acronis otherwise would have been my choice.

John Chan <John@anonymous.ca> wrote:

>Hello:
>
>Is there anyone using the Acronis True Image 7.0 with ThinkPad T40 and is
>able to boot from its rescue CD? I have used True Image Server within XP
>Pro to create the bootable rescue CD. When I boot from the CD, I can see
>the True Image logo come up and then it give me a blank screen and just
>stop booting.


John Craig
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Anonymous
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April 15, 2004 4:17:23 AM

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John Chan wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Is there anyone using the Acronis True Image 7.0 with ThinkPad T40 and is
> able to boot from its rescue CD? I have used True Image Server within XP
> Pro to create the bootable rescue CD. When I boot from the CD, I can see
> the True Image logo come up and then it give me a blank screen and just
> stop booting.


Have you tried the "failsafe" bootable CD? It's more of a minimal
configuration, so it's less likely to have issues with your hardware.
When you create the bootable media, it should give you the choice of
which type of disc you want to create. Unless the Server version is
different than the Standard. (I have only used the latter)



-WD
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Anonymous
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April 15, 2004 4:52:13 PM

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Will Dormann <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
news:nwkfc.14847$B%4.10661@fe2.columbus.rr.com:

> John Chan wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> Is there anyone using the Acronis True Image 7.0 with ThinkPad T40
>> and is able to boot from its rescue CD? I have used True Image Server
>> within XP Pro to create the bootable rescue CD. When I boot from the
>> CD, I can see the True Image logo come up and then it give me a blank
>> screen and just stop booting.
>
>
> Have you tried the "failsafe" bootable CD? It's more of a minimal
> configuration, so it's less likely to have issues with your hardware.
> When you create the bootable media, it should give you the choice of
> which type of disc you want to create. Unless the Server version is
> different than the Standard. (I have only used the latter)
>
> -WD

Yes, I had tried the Safe Loader Rescue CD. It boots okay with my T40 but
it doesn't provide USB support and therefore I am not able to restore from
the external USB drive using the Rescue CD. It looks like the Acronis True
Image 7.0 is not really compatible to IBM ThinkPad T40 (if you are planing
to use external USB drive).

--
Thanks,
John Chan
Toronto
Anonymous
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April 15, 2004 9:18:53 PM

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John Chan wrote:
> Yes, I had tried the Safe Loader Rescue CD. It boots okay with my T40 but
> it doesn't provide USB support and therefore I am not able to restore from
> the external USB drive using the Rescue CD. It looks like the Acronis True
> Image 7.0 is not really compatible to IBM ThinkPad T40 (if you are planing
> to use external USB drive).


Technically, it's an incompatibility between Linux 2.4 and the Thinkpad
T40's ACPI/APM features.
http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~amurphy/linux/IBM-T40.html

I do not have access to an affected machine, so I cannot say for sure if
any of these will work, but they are educated guesses for your options:

1) Try using the bootable TrueImage CD with APM and/or ACPI disabled in
the BIOS first. (and re-enable it after you're done)

2) Create a set of bootable TrueImage floppies.
On the first floppy, edit BOOTWIZ.CFG
Add this line after "MBRCRCS ON" :
ACPI OFF
Now boot using the floppies

3) Create an image of the Bootable CD.
Extract the files and edit F11.CFG
add this line after "mbrcrcs on" :
acpi off
Re-create bootable CD with the updated F11.CFG
(This option is non-trivial, but if the floppy method above does fix the
problem for you, it may be something to look into)


-WD
Anonymous
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April 16, 2004 5:43:22 AM

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Will Dormann <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
news:1uzfc.17047$B%4.15143@fe2.columbus.rr.com:

> 1) Try using the bootable TrueImage CD with APM and/or ACPI disabled
> in the BIOS first. (and re-enable it after you're done)

There is no BIOS option to disable ACPI in ThinkPad T40

> 2) Create a set of bootable TrueImage floppies.
> On the first floppy, edit BOOTWIZ.CFG
> Add this line after "MBRCRCS ON" :
> ACPI OFF
> Now boot using the floppies

There is no floppy drive on ThinkPad T40

> 3) Create an image of the Bootable CD.
> Extract the files and edit F11.CFG
> add this line after "mbrcrcs on" :
> acpi off
> Re-create bootable CD with the updated F11.CFG
> (This option is non-trivial, but if the floppy method above does fix
> the problem for you, it may be something to look into)

Modified the F11.cfg with "acpi off" on the bootable CD but no effect at
all. Still getting a blank screen during bootup.

--
Thanks,
John Chan
Toronto
Anonymous
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April 16, 2004 10:17:06 PM

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John Chan wrote:

> Modified the F11.cfg with "acpi off" on the bootable CD but no effect at
> all. Still getting a blank screen during bootup.
>

I was able to find a man page for the boot loader that TrueImage appears
to use, and I believe I had the syntax wrong. Instead of adding the
line "acpi off", it should instead be something like:

kernel kernel.dat acpi=off
-or-
kernel kernel.dat acpi=off pci=noacpi

That passes the ACPI option to the kernel, and also gets rid of the
"quiet" option. (Which displays the text on the screen as the modules
are loaded, so you can see exactly what it's doing)

*BUT*, that may all be a moot point as I believe the F11.CFG file is a
bit of a red herring. The F11.CFG file that you can see on the CD
seems to just be a copy of the config file that is embedded in the boot
area of the CD. I've gotten as far as extracting the BootImage.img
file from the TrueImage CD, but I am unaware of any way to view or
modify its contents.

If you're using the floppy disk version of TrueImage, editing the
bootwiz.cfg file does indeed apply the changes that you make. I can
see the linux kernel information displaying to the screen as it boots
up, and ACPI is indeed disabled. But when using the bootable CD,
editing F11.CFG has no effect whatsoever. (in fact, it still starts up
without a hiccup even when I delete F11.CFG from the CD!)

So unfortunately, it's not looking too good for you since you don't have
a floppy drive. I guess at this point:

1) Make sure you're using the latest build of TrueImage (597)
2) Consider upgrading the laptop's BIOS to the latest version
3) You mentioned there's no ACPI option in the BIOS, but what about APM?
Perhaps try disabling that if it's there.
4) Try to see where the bootable CD actually gets its configuration
information from. Part 2: See if you can modify this information and
get it back into a bootable CD format. I tinkered a bit with this, but
it's just a little beyond my skills.
5) Try contacting Acronis support to see if there's a way to disable
ACPI using the bootable CD. (From what I have heard, Acronis support is
a bit lacking though)

I guess the route you take depends on how badly you want to get
TrueImage working on that laptop.


-WD
Anonymous
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April 19, 2004 5:35:28 PM

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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:03:55 -0700, John Craig
<NOSPAMjcraig007@highstream.et> wrote:

>I tried the demo version on a ThinkPad T30 and had the same problem.
>My solution was to upgrade to the new version of DriveImage instead,
>even though Acronis otherwise would have been my choice.

I'm using the full version (currently at 597) and it works fine on my
T30.


Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
Anonymous
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April 21, 2004 4:19:45 AM

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Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in
news:7td8805tii9co9ih598801133574ntkm3i@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:03:55 -0700, John Craig
> <NOSPAMjcraig007@highstream.et> wrote:
>
>>I tried the demo version on a ThinkPad T30 and had the same problem.
>>My solution was to upgrade to the new version of DriveImage instead,
>>even though Acronis otherwise would have been my choice.
>
> I'm using the full version (currently at 597) and it works fine on my
> T30.
>
>
> Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
>

I had tried the full version (build 597) with my T40 and still unable to
boot with the Rescue CD that True Image created. Always stud at a blank
screen and stop during boot up. However it works fine within Windows (just
unable to boot from its CD). Is there any T40 users able to boot up True
Image 7.0 with its rescue CD?

--
Thanks,
John Chan
Toronto
Anonymous
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April 21, 2004 4:19:46 AM

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In article <Xns94D1CED2FA177PhonettixAspectZamba@66.185.95.104>,
John Chan <John@anonymous.ca> wrote:
>Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in
>news:7td8805tii9co9ih598801133574ntkm3i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:03:55 -0700, John Craig
>> <NOSPAMjcraig007@highstream.et> wrote:
>>
>>>I tried the demo version on a ThinkPad T30 and had the same problem.
>>>My solution was to upgrade to the new version of DriveImage instead,
>>>even though Acronis otherwise would have been my choice.
>>
>> I'm using the full version (currently at 597) and it works fine on my
>> T30.
>>
>>
>> Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
>>
>
>I had tried the full version (build 597) with my T40 and still unable to
>boot with the Rescue CD that True Image created. Always stud at a blank
>screen and stop during boot up. However it works fine within Windows (just
>unable to boot from its CD). Is there any T40 users able to boot up True
>Image 7.0 with its rescue CD?
>
>--
>Thanks,
>John Chan
>Toronto


have you contacted Acronis ?

TrueImage is based on Linux. You might grab a copy of Knoppix
(http://www.linuxiso.org/) burn it into a CD and boot it. The verbose
startup messages may give you a clue as to where the problem is.

That's what I'd do, anyway.

--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes at p a n i x . c o m
Anonymous
a b G Storage
April 21, 2004 8:20:57 PM

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> TrueImage is based on Linux. You might grab a copy of Knoppix
> (http://www.linuxiso.org/) burn it into a CD and boot it. The verbose
> startup messages may give you a clue as to where the problem is.

I have no problem booting up Knoppix from CD. Knoppix even able to mount my
external USB drive okay. I am just unable to boot with the True Image CD.
So not quite sure if it is caused by Linux issues with Thinkpad T40.

--
Thanks,
John Chan
Toronto
Anonymous
a b G Storage
June 25, 2004 7:25:16 PM

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> John Chan wrote:
>
>> Modified the F11.cfg with "acpi off" on the bootable CD but no effect
>> at all. Still getting a blank screen during bootup.

This thread is ancient, but I just noticed there's a way to pass kernel
parameters using the Acronis TrueImage recovery CD:

Press F11 during bootup, and you can pass the parameters:
acpi=off noapic
for systems which are exhibiting problems booting.


-WD
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