How we forget....

Peal Harbor Day.

It's when we had our pants down & we were taken advantage of. Any son of a WW2 Vet, knows that.

Look at it this way, people have trouble remembering Dec. 7, 1941 now, but they've already forgotten 9-11-2001 & we lost more in that attack!!!! Go figure!!!



Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

i remember and flew my flag half mast today...

<A HREF="http://www.cameronwilliamson.com" target="_new">-={Apostalic Alcoholic.}=-</A>

Yea - the beginning of the end for empire of Japan - thus avoiding the necessity for an invasion that would have cost millions of lives - probably my fathers (he was a Marine in the Pacific) - and therefore, August 6th (Hiroshima), and several days later Nagasaki, may well have given me and millions more "war babies" on both sides a shot at this thing called life.



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

Read this:

<A HREF="http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~dyue/wiihist/hiroshima/ytruman.htm" target="_new">Source </A>





<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

hmm.. hey jack how ya been man?

<A HREF="http://www.cameronwilliamson.com" target="_new">-={Apostalic Alcoholic.}=-</A>

Hey PF ... Jake be pissed at the moment ...



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

All of the above should be taken into account. However, people also fail to realize that by nuking the Japanese we did them a huge favor. That's right. Had we delayed the Soviets would have invaded Japan first. In all likelyhood Japan would have become a communist country and not the economic superpower they eventually did become. Furthermore, the Chinese undoubtedly would have sought retribution for atrocities committed by the Japanese especially the Nanjing massacre.

Okay, brain. You don't like me, and I don't like you, but let's get through this thing and then I can continue killing you with beer. -- Homer Simpson.

lol, I'm Canadian and I knew that but then again, I was just reading Snow Falling on Cedars. It's an excellent book btw, I recommend everybody read it!

Intelligence is not merely the wealth of knowledge but the sum of perception, wisdom, and knowledge.

Man, where were you back during WWII - with what you seem to think you know, we could have all retired to a pub and got faced while the aggression and occupations just petered out from there own weight ...
I'm sure Hitler and Emperor Hirohito were getting bored and were just days away from calling it quits anyhow ... LOL.

Revisionist history has always been troublesome and you are a good example. Yea - we wanted to halt the USSR - but we also offered to "demonstrate" the power of this new weapon to Japan, but they rejected the offer. With little time to lose - we took a shot. I, personaly, would have smoked Hirohito, but I wasn't in on that decision. One thing you can't deny - it worked. And saved countless lives - and the spread of Stalin's brutal brand of totalitarianism.

If you're interested in learning something - try this <A HREF="http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/nmnwe97.html#970423" target="_new"> site </A> - has a lot of brutal facts, offered up from the Japanese perspective - biological weapons used against the Chinese, etc. - and refutes much of you revisionist bullshit ...





<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

If I live in switzerland, does not mean I'm swiss.

The only person 'revising' history is you. Your statement about the bomb saving countless lives is not, whatever you may think, a fact. It is speculation. I can argue that it killed a lot more than it saved. Sure it saved some AMERICAN lives, but what does it matter, japanese or american?

The bomb was a brutal, effective show of power. The US cowed the world, showing coplete disregard for human life. I'm not saying another would have done it any differently, but it was still a masacre and an atrocity. Labeling it any different is, like you said, revising history.

The end never justifies the means.

<font color=blue>If the <font color=yellow>laurel</font color=yellow> is to big for your head, it becomes a hoola-hoop, and you have to keep your butt really busy.</font color=blue>

I know about japanese war-crimes. I never defended what they did.

You, on the other hand, are trying to justify the murder of thousands and thousands of civilians.

Of course the A-bomb was not the only such incident. ~2 million people civ. died in germany under allied bombardments. That does not change the fact that you are trying to justify the un-justifiable.



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This whole Pearl Harbor thing was never a big deal. The US was a victim, sure. GET OVER IT, it's been over 50 years! Tens of millions of people died in that war.

<font color=blue>If the <font color=yellow>laurel</font color=yellow> is to big for your head, it becomes a hoola-hoop, and you have to keep your butt really busy.</font color=blue>

Hey jakeyboy. Forgot your medicines again? Told you, you'd go rabid.

I think you need a few litres of morphine. Forget about tiny amounts injected. Just drink the stuff. No, no, no. Try cyanide. Way quicker relief.

I'm telling you man, white pointy hoods with eye holes are out of fashion. Turbans are in man!

Get yourself a japanese or german car, an Italian suit, an arabian girlfriend that can bellydance and go out to an Indian resturant for a good meal. You'll be happier. I'm telling you.

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>

Man I feel for you. Too bad we in the UK are getting a little tough on asylum at the moment. I'll let you know when things ease up a little.

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>

Is school out already ... or are you just cutting classes again. Well, at least here, you might learn something.

... And the boy quotes an American in his sig ...



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

Now that makes no fvcking sense.



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

You're a fvcking idiot. See how simple that was ...

Now go fix my watch ...



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

Don't worry you have no fvcking chance ...



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

Seems you're still trolling ...



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

Class is over for this evening - got an American football game on the TV - might be a good time to demonstrate more of your naivete ...



<b> “Liberals have many tails and chase them all.” – H.L. Mencken <b>

It was more like American morality than pride that suffered, anyone that can go back and look at the devastation from both sides and find satisfaction in a war such as that, doesn't really know what war is all about. Both America and Japan suffered greatly, but civilianwise Japan paid the ultimate price, would a demonstration of the power of the bombs moved Japan to surrender, NO!, or they would have surrendered after the first one was dropped for sure, but they didn't.

You're free to point your finger at us, we on the other hand have to live with the knowledge of how deadly we can get when pushed too far, what do you think America is? Hollywood? Americas beginning was from the refuse of the British, and we came to America the land of the free, and beat the hell out of the native American Indians, and basically took the land from them. Then we turned around and kicked the British's a$$ back to Britain, which somehow we seem to be friends with today. So we then opened the door to all the refuse, send em, we'll take em, Americans are a weird lot, we're a mix of every nationality on the face of the planet.

We can be some of the nicest people you'll ever meet, but don't fvck with us, we don't play that sh1t, those that you're arguing with here, weren't part of the decision making when it came to the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but we get the blame just because we're Americans. Do I stand behind what my country did? Yes! Am I proud of what we did? No! Was I sad that innocent lives were lost, and women and children were slaughtered in an instant? Yes! Anyone that looks at the available pictures of the aftermath should get sick to their stomachs. Even from a military point of view some of our own generals were shocked at the way the war ended, so I'll close my 2cents with a quoted statement from General Omar N. Bradley.


By; General Omar N. Bradley, Chief of Staff, United States Army, who said in 1948,
"We have too many men of science, too few men of God. We have grasped the mystery
of the atom and rejected the Sermon of the Mount . . . The world has achieved brilliance
without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical
infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know
about living."

The Manhattan Project changed all of our lives. It changed the history of
mankind and civilization. The ultimate lesson learned is that scientists, and ultimately
citizens, must taken responsibility for their actions. Science should be used for the
improvement of our lives and not for our destruction.





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Thanks PF.

I normally don't get into these threads, I'm to emotional when it comes to my country & I get defensive real fast. As it escalates, my battle face comes on & I'm back in jungle survival mode again. I read them, but let others comment., however every now & then I have to put in my $.02.

Like I said before, I'm a tad older than most here, I was raised differently, the world I grew up in no longer exists. So I'm formed in a time gone by. I've got things to offer, but I temper them. Lets face it, my son's & friends that I have that are there age & we do things together wouldn't tolerate me spouting to them like there Dad.

Funny thing is, my Dad was the same with me, looking back. We worked together in the same place for 17 1/2 years, somewhere along the line we became best friends. He was always my Dad in the back of my mind, but more importantly, he was my best friend. I've passed that along to my sons as well. My Dad knew & I know, that you'll know your children as adults far longer than you'll know them living under your roof growing up. I didn't want to drive my sons away, like so many do. After all is said & done, I know in my heart, that my Family meant more to me than anything else I've got or will ever have, IMO

Here I go rambling away this morning, sorry!!



Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

Yes I would defend those rights for anybody, with my life if need be.

BTW thanks for the good sleep this weekend!!!!



Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

I always sleep better knowing that some of our best & brightest are serving, covering this old Man's ass for him, IMO



Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

PF i did not know you was in the military , i thought you was one of them hip hop rapper guys (album picture , hat on backwards). Bet your like a spy or something dangerous. Our lives are in your hands young man.....thinking of moveing to the outback...we do trust you for our safety....going for sure now.... heh heh heh heh

The man of steel said that