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Hi,

I am using Back Again II to backup a machine to a local SATA drive on a new
Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput. Can someone share
what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My DDS-4 got
150. This is an NT4 server box.

Thanks,

Randy Starkey
STL, MO

 

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"Randy Starkey" <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote in
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> Hi,
>
> I am using Back Again II to backup a machine


What OS/boot environment?

> to a local SATA drive on a new
> Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput.

The backup target is "local SATA on a new Promise". What is the source of
the backup connected how? Is the backup being compressed or not. If yes
then what processor?

> Can someone share
> what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My DDS-4
got
> 150. This is an NT4 server box.

NT4, my guess is that you might be using PIO mode rather than DMA mode for
either the source or destination.

 

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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Randy Starkey" <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote in
> message news:10flfu1jb6is60d@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am using Back Again II to backup a machine
>
>
> What OS/boot environment?

NT4SP6a. It's alone on the box. Boots right off C.


>
> > to a local SATA drive on a new
> > Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput.
>
> The backup target is "local SATA on a new Promise". What is the source of
> the backup connected how? Is the backup being compressed or not. If yes
> then what processor?


It backs up about 80% local stuff on MoBo IDE controllers, and maybe 20%
over mapped ethernet. Backup was compressed, so that might have affected it
some, but my DDS-4 was compressed too. The 150 mb/min on the DDS-4 was in
this exact same environment. The DDS-4 is on an adaptec SCSI bus tho'. The
processor is only a P3-500. But again - all else being equal the DDS-4
iscurrently doubling my SATA.

Can anyone share numbers you currently get on a SATA backup that are really
good?


>
> > Can someone share
> > what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My DDS-4
> got
> > 150. This is an NT4 server box.
>
> NT4, my guess is that you might be using PIO mode rather than DMA mode
for
> either the source or destination.

Hmmm... maybe for the source, but not the SATA - but again, it seems it
shouldn't be that much slower than my DDS-4. The source is the same for both
SATA and the DDS-4 - the DDS-4 SCSI bus shouldn't be much faster than the
Promise SATA bus - maybe there are some settings on the Promise Card I need
to look at?

Thanks for all the thoughts...

--Randy



>
>

 

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:21:54 -0500, Randy Starkey <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am using Back Again II to backup a machine to a local SATA drive on a new
> Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput. Can someone share
> what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My DDS-4 got
> 150. This is an NT4 server box.

Interesting. That's more or less what I got in DOS mode (Norton Ghost) trying to iomage a drive on a PATA card. It was much faster in windows - driver problem perhaps?

How long does it take to manually copy files across in windows?


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I've not timed a good windows copy only procedure. I'll do that this evening
and post back. I'll grab a gig or two and see how long it takes.

I also use Ghost to image my C drives on 2 different servers, and on one I
write to a drive on the MoBo IDE controller - it gets about 150MB/min - and
on the other I write to a drive on a PATA controller and I get 360.

--Randy

"Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
newspsbcnrviyaiowgp@blue...
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:21:54 -0500, Randy Starkey
<randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am using Back Again II to backup a machine to a local SATA drive on a
new
> > Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput. Can someone
share
> > what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My DDS-4
got
> > 150. This is an NT4 server box.
>
> Interesting. That's more or less what I got in DOS mode (Norton Ghost)
trying to iomage a drive on a PATA card. It was much faster in windows -
driver problem perhaps?
>
> How long does it take to manually copy files across in windows?
>
>
> --
> *****TWO BABY CONURES***** 15 parrots and increasing
http://www.petersparrots.com
> 93 silly video clips http://www.insanevideoclips.com
> 1259 digital photos http://www.petersphotos.com
> Served from a pentawatercooled dual silent Athlon 2.8 with terrabyte raid
>
> Do not adjust your mind - the fault is with reality.

 

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I've had around 1000MB/min (16MB/sec) using Ghost in Dos mode.

These were barracuda 160GB 7200 IDE PATAs.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:50:36 -0500, Randy Starkey <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:

> I've not timed a good windows copy only procedure. I'll do that this evening
> and post back. I'll grab a gig or two and see how long it takes.
>
> I also use Ghost to image my C drives on 2 different servers, and on one I
> write to a drive on the MoBo IDE controller - it gets about 150MB/min - and
> on the other I write to a drive on a PATA controller and I get 360.
>
> --Randy
>
> "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> newspsbcnrviyaiowgp@blue...
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:21:54 -0500, Randy Starkey
> <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am using Back Again II to backup a machine to a local SATA drive on a
> new
>> > Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput. Can someone
> share
>> > what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My DDS-4
> got
>> > 150. This is an NT4 server box.
>>
>> Interesting. That's more or less what I got in DOS mode (Norton Ghost)
> trying to iomage a drive on a PATA card. It was much faster in windows -
> driver problem perhaps?
>>
>> How long does it take to manually copy files across in windows?
>>
>>
>> --
>> *****TWO BABY CONURES***** 15 parrots and increasing
> http://www.petersparrots.com
>> 93 silly video clips http://www.insanevideoclips.com
>> 1259 digital photos http://www.petersphotos.com
>> Served from a pentawatercooled dual silent Athlon 2.8 with terrabyte raid
>>
>> Do not adjust your mind - the fault is with reality.
>
>
>



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That's good and fast. My drive for saving gho files is only 5400 I think.
Not sure.


"Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
newspsbcsl31maiowgp@blue...
> I've had around 1000MB/min (16MB/sec) using Ghost in Dos mode.
>
> These were barracuda 160GB 7200 IDE PATAs.
>
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:50:36 -0500, Randy Starkey
<randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:
>
> > I've not timed a good windows copy only procedure. I'll do that this
evening
> > and post back. I'll grab a gig or two and see how long it takes.
> >
> > I also use Ghost to image my C drives on 2 different servers, and on one
I
> > write to a drive on the MoBo IDE controller - it gets about 150MB/min -
and
> > on the other I write to a drive on a PATA controller and I get 360.
> >
> > --Randy
> >
> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > newspsbcnrviyaiowgp@blue...
> >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:21:54 -0500, Randy Starkey
> > <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I am using Back Again II to backup a machine to a local SATA drive on
a
> > new
> >> > Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput. Can
someone
> > share
> >> > what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My
DDS-4
> > got
> >> > 150. This is an NT4 server box.
> >>
> >> Interesting. That's more or less what I got in DOS mode (Norton Ghost)
> > trying to iomage a drive on a PATA card. It was much faster in
windows -
> > driver problem perhaps?
> >>
> >> How long does it take to manually copy files across in windows?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *****TWO BABY CONURES***** 15 parrots and increasing
> > http://www.petersparrots.com
> >> 93 silly video clips http://www.insanevideoclips.com
> >> 1259 digital photos http://www.petersphotos.com
> >> Served from a pentawatercooled dual silent Athlon 2.8 with terrabyte
raid
> >>
> >> Do not adjust your mind - the fault is with reality.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *****TWO BABY CONURES***** 15 parrots and increasing
http://www.petersparrots.com
> 93 silly video clips http://www.insanevideoclips.com
> 1259 digital photos http://www.petersphotos.com
> Served from a pentawatercooled dual silent Athlon 2.8 with terrabyte raid
>
> You know, sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked.
> But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking.

 

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7200 are the ones that are too hot to touch!

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:26:18 -0500, Randy Starkey <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:

> That's good and fast. My drive for saving gho files is only 5400 I think.
> Not sure.
>
>
> "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> newspsbcsl31maiowgp@blue...
>> I've had around 1000MB/min (16MB/sec) using Ghost in Dos mode.
>>
>> These were barracuda 160GB 7200 IDE PATAs.
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:50:36 -0500, Randy Starkey
> <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I've not timed a good windows copy only procedure. I'll do that this
> evening
>> > and post back. I'll grab a gig or two and see how long it takes.
>> >
>> > I also use Ghost to image my C drives on 2 different servers, and on one
> I
>> > write to a drive on the MoBo IDE controller - it gets about 150MB/min -
> and
>> > on the other I write to a drive on a PATA controller and I get 360.
>> >
>> > --Randy
>> >
>> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > newspsbcnrviyaiowgp@blue...
>> >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:21:54 -0500, Randy Starkey
>> > <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am using Back Again II to backup a machine to a local SATA drive on
> a
>> > new
>> >> > Promise controller. I'm only getting 100mb/min throughput. Can
> someone
>> > share
>> >> > what kind of throughput you're getting, and why this is so low. My
> DDS-4
>> > got
>> >> > 150. This is an NT4 server box.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting. That's more or less what I got in DOS mode (Norton Ghost)
>> > trying to iomage a drive on a PATA card. It was much faster in
> windows -
>> > driver problem perhaps?
>> >>
>> >> How long does it take to manually copy files across in windows?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> *****TWO BABY CONURES***** 15 parrots and increasing
>> > http://www.petersparrots.com
>> >> 93 silly video clips http://www.insanevideoclips.com
>> >> 1259 digital photos http://www.petersphotos.com
>> >> Served from a pentawatercooled dual silent Athlon 2.8 with terrabyte
> raid
>> >>
>> >> Do not adjust your mind - the fault is with reality.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *****TWO BABY CONURES***** 15 parrots and increasing
> http://www.petersparrots.com
>> 93 silly video clips http://www.insanevideoclips.com
>> 1259 digital photos http://www.petersphotos.com
>> Served from a pentawatercooled dual silent Athlon 2.8 with terrabyte raid
>>
>> You know, sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked.
>> But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking.
>
>
>



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"Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> 7200 are the ones that are too hot to touch!

NO, cool a drive sufficiently such that you can hold your hand on it for 30
seconds or it will DIE and early death.

 

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:56:01 GMT, Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
> "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> newspsbddhwx5aiowgp@blue...
>> 7200 are the ones that are too hot to touch!
>
> NO, cool a drive sufficiently such that you can hold your hand on it for 30
> seconds or it will DIE and early death.

Then they should come with decent cooling - how many PCs have you bought with coolers attached? CPUs come with heatsinks and fans, hard drives do not. You'd think they'd learn from all the returns....


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"Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:56:01 GMT, Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > newspsbddhwx5aiowgp@blue...
> >> 7200 are the ones that are too hot to touch!

Clueless.
> >
> > NO, cool a drive sufficiently such that you can hold your hand on it for
30
> > seconds or it will DIE and early death.
>
> Then they should come with decent cooling - how many PCs have you bought
with coolers attached? CPUs come with heatsinks and fans, hard drives do not.
You'd think they'd learn from all the returns....

Any decent case provides airflow over the 3.5 bays. You only need a breeze for
any IDE drive, not a fan.

 

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:25:20 -0700, Eric Gisin <ericgisin@graffiti.net> wrote:

> "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> newspsbdkyaolaiowgp@blue...
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:56:01 GMT, Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > newspsbddhwx5aiowgp@blue...
>> >> 7200 are the ones that are too hot to touch!
>
> Clueless.
>> >
>> > NO, cool a drive sufficiently such that you can hold your hand on it for
> 30
>> > seconds or it will DIE and early death.
>>
>> Then they should come with decent cooling - how many PCs have you bought
> with coolers attached? CPUs come with heatsinks and fans, hard drives do not.
> You'd think they'd learn from all the returns....
>
> Any decent case provides airflow over the 3.5 bays. You only need a breeze for
> any IDE drive, not a fan.

Not usually. Standard tower case has intake at the bottom front, out at the top back. The drives are just above the front intake, hance missing the airflow.


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"Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > Any decent case provides airflow over the 3.5 bays. You only need a breeze
for
> > any IDE drive, not a fan.
>
> Not usually. Standard tower case has intake at the bottom front, out at the
top back. The drives are just above the front intake, hance missing the
airflow.
>
Leave the lower floppy bay empty, and remove the cover or drill holes in it.
The top of the HD bay gets plenty of airflow with an extra exhaust fan.

It works for my 15K Fuji MAM.

 

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:02:50 -0700, Eric Gisin <ericgisin@graffiti.net> wrote:

> "Peter Hucker" <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> newspsbep1er2aiowgp@blue...
>> >
>> > Any decent case provides airflow over the 3.5 bays. You only need a breeze
> for
>> > any IDE drive, not a fan.
>>
>> Not usually. Standard tower case has intake at the bottom front, out at the
> top back. The drives are just above the front intake, hance missing the
> airflow.
>>
> Leave the lower floppy bay empty, and remove the cover or drill holes in it.
> The top of the HD bay gets plenty of airflow with an extra exhaust fan.
>
> It works for my 15K Fuji MAM.

Just got some heatsinks for the drives! (AS I now have 4 250GB 7200rpms).

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