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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 10:51:50 AM

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i fight steam but i don't fight other direct download systems like d2d
i don't have a problem with direct download systems if i have choice for
myself and to other pc gamers
if the direct download system adds to the market and not takes away, if
the direct download systems included but not excludes then i don't have
anything to go against them
like for example d2d, were all the pc games available have also proper
retail packaged box editions then i don't have any problem with it

have you ever saw me fighting d2d like i fight steam? no! and why?

obviously i don't like it, i don't support it and i will never buy a game
using d2d, but you don't see me attacking d2d like i attack steam cause
with d2d you have choice, deus ex 2, farcry, tribes vengeance are all pc
games available to buy the proper way in my local retail store, so i do
not mind at all d2d cause i have choice!

i truly believe pc gamers will always prefer the packaged box retail
version that's why i don't fear d2d, but with steam its different cause
valve took away choice and decided for ourselves what way should we buy
install and play pc games and that is not admissible!

choice is the thing we pc gamers ask!
we want choice!
we totally refuse valve taking away choice in pc games by using steam!
WE DEMAND CHOICE!
CHOICE IS NOT NEGOTIABLE!
WE WILL ONLY BE PC GAMERS WITH CHOICE!
STEAM TAKES AWAY CHOICE!
that's why i fight steam and i don't fight d2d!
without choice i will never accept buying a pc game!
that is what steam is all about taking choice, freedom from pc gamers!

d2d give you another option when it comes to buying pc games making it
having more competition
steam takes all competition from pc games and wants to turn it into a
monopolistic market!

d2d added itself to the market, so its ok for me
steam is trying to exclude everything else from the market, and that is
totally unacceptable!

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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 10:51:51 AM

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sayNO2steam wrote:
> i fight steam but i don't fight other direct download systems like
d2d
> i don't have a problem with direct download systems if i have choice
for
> myself and to other pc gamers
> if the direct download system adds to the market and not takes away,
if
> the direct download systems included but not excludes then i don't
have
> anything to go against them
> like for example d2d, were all the pc games available have also
proper
> retail packaged box editions then i don't have any problem with it

HL2 is available via direct download or in a box from a shop. You have
a choice of how you buy it, the same as d2d.

In fact with d2d and HL2 you have more choice, because most other games
are only available in a box.
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 3:01:21 PM

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mike_noren2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Retard, retard, retard, retard.
>
> Why the hell do people respond to you like you had a point, let alone
a
> brain?

I know why I do it. Not sure why you bothered with this pointless
diatribe.

Ah.. you appear to have answered your own question.
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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 3:50:55 PM

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Chadwick wrote:
> sayNO2steam wrote:
>
>>i fight steam but i don't fight other direct download systems like
>
> d2d
>
>>i don't have a problem with direct download systems if i have choice
>
> for
>
>>myself and to other pc gamers
>>if the direct download system adds to the market and not takes away,
>
> if
>
>>the direct download systems included but not excludes then i don't
>
> have
>
>>anything to go against them
>>like for example d2d, were all the pc games available have also
>
> proper
>
>>retail packaged box editions then i don't have any problem with it
>
>
> HL2 is available via direct download or in a box from a shop. You have
> a choice of how you buy it, the same as d2d.
>
> In fact with d2d and HL2 you have more choice, because most other games
> are only available in a box.
>

No. The retail version of HL2 has to be authenticated via Steam and
cannot be resold or traded once completed like the retail versions of
other games. The retail version is effectively the same as purchasing
HL2 online via Steam except you save some time from having to download
certain content. You have less choice and less options with Steam.

Had someone purchased FarCry, as an example, in a game shop they'd be
able to resell or trade their copy once they tired of it. This is
against the EULA that comes with HL2 which you agree with upon opening
the packaging and requires extra set of steps to allow it to even be a
possibility -albeit an illegal set if the EULA can be legally enforced.


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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 4:40:07 PM

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sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ts7241ldp2nqrr15cf39es0caap42svd65@4ax.com:

> d2d added itself to the market, so its ok for me
> steam is trying to exclude everything else from the market, and that is
> totally unacceptable!

There are many problems with d2d as a method which is keeping it from being
used on every site which might want to. It might seem easy to create such a
site as if its just a merger of a demo download and a shopping cart package
but its much more of a headache than that.

The only ones who have created useable packages for managing buy-and-
download sites, you have spoken out against. So based on what you said I
take it that you will not have a problem if someone comes up with a d2d
arrangment you like, that you will not fight it the way you fight steam.

Gandalf Parker
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 9:59:46 PM

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:51:50 +0000, sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>i fight steam but i don't fight other direct download systems like d2d
>i don't have a problem with direct download systems if i have choice for
>myself and to other pc gamers

Fool, you forgot to crosspost to rec.sport.pro-wrestling,
alt.games.video.sony-playstation2, and alt.games.video.xbox, not to mention
alt.fan.art-bell. HTH!


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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 10:30:46 PM

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In article <ts7241ldp2nqrr15cf39es0caap42svd65@4ax.com>,
sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>i fight steam but i don't fight other direct download systems like d2d

Can someone explain to the newbie what "steam" and "d2d" means?
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Anonymous
March 24, 2005 3:48:48 AM

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jOhN wrote:
> The topmostpostingest usenetter has seemed to have provided the petri

> dish for assorted bateria/responses. I propose we rename him to
> Agar7h3M3d1um since he is the source and supportive substructure for
> endless bickering.
>
>
> sayN021d10t5
>
> STFU and don't reply u kneejerk lusers..............

Ooh, I love it when you talk all l33t! You must be so cool!
BTW, I am more of a topmostpostingest usenetter this month on aghl so
na na na-na na, your mother's a banana!
March 24, 2005 6:20:35 AM

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Chadwick wrote:
> mike_noren2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>
>>Retard, retard, retard, retard.
>>
>>Why the hell do people respond to you like you had a point, let alone
>
> a
>
>>brain?
>
>
> I know why I do it. Not sure why you bothered with this pointless
> diatribe.
>
> Ah.. you appear to have answered your own question.
>
The topmostpostingest usenetter has seemed to have provided the petri
dish for assorted bateria/responses. I propose we rename him to
Agar7h3M3d1um since he is the source and supportive substructure for
endless bickering.


sayN021d10t5

STFU and don't reply u kneejerk lusers..............
Anonymous
March 24, 2005 7:48:55 AM

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Vader des Vaderlands wrote:
> Chadwick wrote:
> > HL2 is available via direct download or in a box from a shop. You
have
> > a choice of how you buy it, the same as d2d.
> >
> > In fact with d2d and HL2 you have more choice, because most other
games
> > are only available in a box.
> >
>
> No. The retail version of HL2 has to be authenticated via Steam and
> cannot be resold or traded once completed like the retail versions of

> other games. The retail version is effectively the same as
purchasing
> HL2 online via Steam except you save some time from having to
download
> certain content. You have less choice and less options with Steam.
>
> Had someone purchased FarCry, as an example, in a game shop they'd be

> able to resell or trade their copy once they tired of it. This is
> against the EULA that comes with HL2 which you agree with upon
opening
> the packaging and requires extra set of steps to allow it to even be
a
> possibility -albeit an illegal set if the EULA can be legally
enforced.


Sorry, I thought we were talking about purchasing the game. Steam does
give a choice of purchasing channels.

As far as reselling the game, the HL2 EULA does not forbid this. The
Steam EULA forbids reselling of the Steam account. The difficulty is
that of deregistering the HL2 CD-Code from the Steam Account so that
the HL2 game can be sold on separately. This is now free for retail
owners but still inconvenient.
Anonymous
March 24, 2005 7:56:42 AM

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sayNO2steam wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:
>
> so how did it felt being knocked out so hard and fast by vader?

Don't know - it hasn't happened yet. Me and Vader were apparently
talking about two different aspects of Steam.

I think we (and yourself) are in agreement that Steam makes it more
difficult to sell a game for two reasons:

1) it is inconvenient getting Steam to deregister the CDCode from the
Steam account.
2) You have to trust the seller to have done the above properly because
all you need to play the game is the CD-Code, not the physical disc
itself.
Anonymous
March 24, 2005 12:54:46 PM

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Vader des Vaderlands wrote:

> No. The retail version of HL2 has to be authenticated via Steam and
> cannot be resold or traded once completed like the retail versions of
> other games. The retail version is effectively the same as purchasing
> HL2 online via Steam except you save some time from having to download
> certain content. You have less choice and less options with Steam.
>
> Had someone purchased FarCry, as an example, in a game shop they'd be
> able to resell or trade their copy once they tired of it. This is
> against the EULA that comes with HL2 which you agree with upon opening
> the packaging and requires extra set of steps to allow it to even be a
> possibility -albeit an illegal set if the EULA can be legally enforced.

perfection!
with this kind of quality post my job in this group is no longer needed
and yes i must admit this is much better than what i can acomplish

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steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
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Anonymous
March 24, 2005 12:54:53 PM

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Gandalf Parker wrote:

> There are many problems with d2d as a method which is keeping it from being
> used on every site which might want to. It might seem easy to create such a

other sites want it?
but d2d is only a store it doesn't want to create a standard for the all
industry but instead sell pc games via internet via download

d2d is a store like ebgames but instead of shipping a physical packaged
box it makes costumers download via de net

if other sites want to do the same let them create their own standards,
you don't see gogamers "imitating" ebgames do you? so why making every
download pc game store be like d2d?

> site as if its just a merger of a demo download and a shopping cart package
> but its much more of a headache than that.

for me any downloaded pc game is a headache so its not related to d2d,
but instead cause of the extra difficulty in handling downloaded games
don't forget
you must do your own backup
you must have extra space on your hard disk
you must deal with difficult copy protections

the headaches you talk about comes from the downloaded games themselves
and not cause of d2d system or procedures

do you forget we have been buying, installing and playing pc games in a
physical packaged format for over 10 years!
over 10 years mister galdalf! so we are used to it!
we are used to play pc games in this format the packaged box, and most
of us don't want to change, and even those which think they want will
find out downloaded game bring lots of problems, extra work and much
less reliable means of store
that's the headaches mister galdalf!

> The only ones who have created useable packages for managing buy-and-
> download sites, you have spoken out against. So based on what you said I

are you talking about steam?
didn't you read my post?
haven't you by now understood my point of view
what did i wrote about which makes steam so different from d2d?
its called choice!
choice!
if a system is created which takes away choice i'm against!
there always has to be choice of buying a pc game in a retail store in
a physical packaged box cd/dvd!
don't you get it by now?

> take it that you will not have a problem if someone comes up with a d2d
> arrangment you like, that you will not fight it the way you fight steam.

why are you making it so difficult to understand?
i know why, you can admit and face the issue
you have refused to face the issue from the beginning!
that's why i don't take you seriously when discussing steam cause you
are so biased you can deal with the true issue... CHOICE!

i want choice!
i want to have the choice to by my pc game in a retail store in a
physical packaged box cd/dvd! ok!

and to end let me give you an example although i bet you will again not
face the real issues...

you know ubisoft do you?
a great publisher
with so much quality that even big ea wants to buy them
i don't blame them but i'm totally against it
but going back to good ubisoft
they respect the pc gamer
they give us choice!
choice do you listen!
CHOICE mister galdalf!
ubisoft gives us lots of choice when buying their pc games
and the choices are:
.. buy in your local retail store in a physical packaged box published by
ubisoft themselves
.. buy in your local retail store in a physical packaged box published by
third party specialized budged publishers
.. buy in ubisoft store directly in a physical packaged box
.. buy in ubisoft store directly in download format
.. buy in d2d store in a download format

ubisoft is an example of what a publisher should be!
they give choice!
they let the market decide!
they let us pc gamers decide!
that's what i'm asking ok mister galdalf!
let the market decide!
let us pc gamers decide!
don't force anything like valve does!
ubisoft adds to the market
valve takes from the market!
do you now see the difference????

but i know your point of view, you want to force pc gamers into giving
up physical packaged box cd/dvd!
like valve you want to force pc gamers into a system you have choose
but no sir, me and no pc gamer will ever accept this! ever!

--
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against steam campaign
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steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
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Anonymous
March 24, 2005 12:55:04 PM

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On 23 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:

so how did it felt being knocked out so hard and fast by vader?
it was so fast and powerfull you didn't even see it coming
come on Chadwick next time be more careful you don't want to be beaten
like this every single day do you?

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i said "NO" to valve and steam

against steam campaign
http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/

steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html

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Anonymous
March 24, 2005 6:16:47 PM

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Chadwick wrote:
>
> As far as reselling the game, the HL2 EULA does not forbid this. The
> Steam EULA forbids reselling of the Steam account. The difficulty is
> that of deregistering the HL2 CD-Code from the Steam Account so that
> the HL2 game can be sold on separately. This is now free for retail
> owners but still inconvenient.
>

That's true. It's just that since the Steam account and the ability to
play the game are intertwined that I confused that one could sell the
physical goods of HL2 retail. I haven't heard any success stories of
someone resetting a Steam account so that another person could play it.
Valve probably would give the second-hand buyer a funny look if they
e-mailed them with such a request. ;) 


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Anonymous
March 24, 2005 7:57:07 PM

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sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:kpu441l3708vk3pirgukcnq1nbv8bmcuob@4ax.com:

> but i know your point of view, you want to force pc gamers into giving
> up physical packaged box cd/dvd!
> like valve you want to force pc gamers into a system you have choose
> but no sir, me and no pc gamer will ever accept this! ever!

I want to force? You see ME as the person trying to force something to
happen? Im just seeing how things are going. I even rarely bother to say
whether or not I personally like it or dislike it since I rather doubt
that anyone here cares if I like/dislike it unless they ask me.

Maybe thats the problem. Everytime I say "things are like this" you seem
to think Im saying that I like it that way.

Im all for choice. No choice ever goes away completely. We still have
freeware, shareware, public domain, open source, microsoft games, free
servers, p2p, etc etc even though they all have been declared "going to
die off" in the past. And retail in stores will never dissappear though I
believe its never going to return to its heighth no matter what you want.
And I believe that eventually d2d (direct to download, the method, not
the site) will be more common as soon as the bugs are worked out of it.
Maybe not like Steam and GalCiv have done but something for pay-to-
download.

As to what I want? I want to be able to get games easily in as large a
range of choices as possible.

Gandalf Parker
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 5:33:02 AM

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"Vader des Vaderlands" <vader@vaderlands.nl> wrote in message
news:3ae2q1F68666aU1@individual.net...
> Chadwick wrote:
>> sayNO2steam wrote:
>>
>>>i fight steam but i don't fight other direct download systems like
>>
>> d2d
>>
>>>i don't have a problem with direct download systems if i have choice
>>
>> for
>>
>>>myself and to other pc gamers
>>>if the direct download system adds to the market and not takes away,
>>
>> if
>>
>>>the direct download systems included but not excludes then i don't
>>
>> have
>>
>>>anything to go against them
>>>like for example d2d, were all the pc games available have also
>>
>> proper
>>
>>>retail packaged box editions then i don't have any problem with it
>>
>>
>> HL2 is available via direct download or in a box from a shop. You have
>> a choice of how you buy it, the same as d2d.
>>
>> In fact with d2d and HL2 you have more choice, because most other games
>> are only available in a box.
>>
>
> No. The retail version of HL2 has to be authenticated via Steam and
> cannot be resold or traded once completed like the retail versions of
> other games. The retail version is effectively the same as purchasing HL2
> online via Steam except you save some time from having to download certain
> content. You have less choice and less options with Steam.
>
> Had someone purchased FarCry, as an example, in a game shop they'd be able
> to resell or trade their copy once they tired of it. This is against the
> EULA that comes with HL2 which you agree with upon opening the packaging
> and requires extra set of steps to allow it to even be a
> possibility -albeit an illegal set if the EULA can be legally enforced.
>
>
> --
> best regards, mat
> np: catholic school girls - stand
>
> www.pdxshows.net

At First I felt kinda ripped off when I installed HL2. It came packaged
with Steam. But now since I been using it I got used to it. There are
advantges,it updates the games registered, no need for a physical
install.Have the tools for modding. I purchased Half Life Platnum and
registered it with Steam because when I installed HL It the updates failed
with the original Won.net. Steam updated to current technology (direct3d)
and is pretty close to HL2 graphics now than before.
I just feel sorry for anyone with Dial up bandwidth ,it'll take days to
update LOL
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 4:53:09 PM

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On 24 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:

give it a rest! or do you want another black eye!!!

> Sorry, I thought we were talking about purchasing the game. Steam does
> give a choice of purchasing channels.

damn it, you are so stupid... how many time do i need to write this
HALF-LIFE 2 IS NOT A PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT!
ITS A LIE! ITS A FILTHY LIE FOR YOUR DISGUSTING MASTER VALVE!
HALF-LIFE 2 SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO THE SOLD IN RETAIL!
NO STEAM INFECTED PC GAMES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD IN RETAIL!
VALVE IS USING THE POWERFULL RETAIL CHANNEL TO SPREAD ITS INFECTING
LYING SPYWARE DISGUSTING STEAM!
WE WANT STEAM OUT OF THE RETAIL CHANNEL NOW!
WE WANT VALVE TO STOP INFECTING THE HEALTHY RETAIL CHANNEL NOW!!!!
STEAM OUT OF THE RETAIL CHANNEL NOW!!!!!
IF YOU WANT STEAM GET IT VIA INTERNET AND NEVER USING OUR DEAR AND
SO IMPORTANT RETAIL CHANNEL!!!!
WE DEMAND A STEAM FREE RETAIL CHANNEL!!!

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i said "NO" to valve and steam

against steam campaign
http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/

steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html

what steam does to pc gamers in a million word worth picture:
http://www.nforce.nl/forum/images/avatars/1405845568421...
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 4:53:10 PM

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sayNO2steam wrote:

> damn it, you are so stupid... how many time do i need to write this
> HALF-LIFE 2 IS NOT A PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT!
> ITS A LIE! ITS A FILTHY LIE FOR YOUR DISGUSTING MASTER VALVE!
> HALF-LIFE 2 SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO THE SOLD IN RETAIL!
> NO STEAM INFECTED PC GAMES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD IN RETAIL!
> VALVE IS USING THE POWERFULL RETAIL CHANNEL TO SPREAD ITS INFECTING
> LYING SPYWARE DISGUSTING STEAM!
> WE WANT STEAM OUT OF THE RETAIL CHANNEL NOW!
> WE WANT VALVE TO STOP INFECTING THE HEALTHY RETAIL CHANNEL NOW!!!!
> STEAM OUT OF THE RETAIL CHANNEL NOW!!!!!
> IF YOU WANT STEAM GET IT VIA INTERNET AND NEVER USING OUR DEAR AND
> SO IMPORTANT RETAIL CHANNEL!!!!
> WE DEMAND A STEAM FREE RETAIL CHANNEL!!!

Wait, what do you mean, what are you talking about, we decided!? My best
interest?! How can you know what's my best interest is? How can you say what
my best interest is? What are you trying to say, I'm crazy? When I went to
your schools, I went to your churches, I went to your institutional learning
facilities?! So how can you say I'm crazy?
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 4:53:12 PM

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On 24 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:

> I think we (and yourself) are in agreement that Steam makes it more

WHAT???? ME AGREEING WITH YOU A DISGUSTING PRO STEAM???? NEVER!!! NEVER!
I'LL NEVER AGREE WITH YOU OR ANY OTHER REPULSIVE LYING LOYAL SUBMISSIVE
VALVE GAMER! NEVER!
VALVE IS DESTROYING THE RETAIL CHANNEL BY INFECTED IT WITH STEAM!
VALVE IS DESTROYING PC GAMES AND PC GAMERS AND A HOBBY WHICH HAS BEEN
SO DEAR TO US ALL FOR THE LAST DECADE!
VALVE IS THE DOOM MESSIAH!!!! AND ME AND EVERY SINGLE PC GAMER WHICH
REALLY LOVES AND HAS PASSION FOR PC GAMES WILL DO EVERYTHING IN ITS
POWER TO STOP THEM!!!

--
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i said "NO" to valve and steam

against steam campaign
http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/

steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html

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Anonymous
March 25, 2005 5:02:22 PM

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sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:131841h8jin0ankofkljtnjt21s4c3fafs@4ax.com:

> you can never the used as a good example... only as a BAD ONE! sorry!

I disagreed with everything you said. Your view of game categories and your
view of me. But I guess that balances out my view of you.
Have fun, good luck, bye bye.

Gandalf Parker
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 10:40:08 AM

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sayNO2steam wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:
>
> > I think we (and yourself) are in agreement that Steam makes it more
>
> WHAT???? ME AGREEING WITH YOU A DISGUSTING PRO STEAM???? NEVER!!!
NEVER!
> I'LL NEVER AGREE WITH YOU OR ANY OTHER REPULSIVE LYING LOYAL
SUBMISSIVE
> VALVE GAMER! NEVER!

What I actually said was:
I think we (and yourself) are in agreement that Steam makes it more
difficult to sell a game for two reasons:

1) it is inconvenient getting Steam to deregister the CDCode from the
Steam account.
2) You have to trust the seller to have done the above properly because
all you need to play the game is the CD-Code, not the physical disc
itself.

Are you saying that you disagree with this? That Steam does NOT make it
more difficult to sell a game?

If you're going to disagree with me on principle, what will you do if I
say "I agree that Steam is rubbish"?

And, for the record, I am not disgusting, repulsive or submissive.
Anonymous
March 29, 2005 7:42:10 AM

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sayNO2steam wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:
>
> give it a rest! or do you want another black eye!!!
>
Are you threatening me with physical violence because I criticised the
way way Steam restricts reselling of games?


> > Sorry, I thought we were talking about purchasing the game. Steam
does
> > give a choice of purchasing channels.
>
> damn it, you are so stupid... how many time do i need to write this
> HALF-LIFE 2 IS NOT A PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT!
> ITS A LIE!

No, it's true, it is a proper retail packaged box DVD product. Would
you like me to email you a photo of it? Or, you could go down to your
local shop and they'll probably have it on the shelves. If you can't
believe the evidence on the shop shelves, then it's you who is being
stupid.
Anonymous
March 29, 2005 2:16:17 PM

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On 28 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:

> If you're going to disagree with me on principle, what will you do if I
> say "I agree that Steam is rubbish"?

coming from you not enough and it falls short of what steam is

i will only agree with you the day you say:
steam is very damaging
steam is against pc gamers consumer rights
steam has to disappear from pc games

i know what you have been trying to do in this group, you have tried to
reach a compromise to negotiate a fair steam, but that i will not accept

my freedom! my dignity! my consumer rights are not negotiable!
do you understand mr chadwick!
steam never ever!

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http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/

steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
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Anonymous
March 30, 2005 1:28:16 AM

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Chadwick wrote:
> sayNO2steam wrote:
>
>>On 24 Mar 2005, "Chadwick" wrote:
>>
>>give it a rest! or do you want another black eye!!!
>>
>
> Are you threatening me with physical violence because I criticised the
> way way Steam restricts reselling of games?
>
>
>
>>>Sorry, I thought we were talking about purchasing the game. Steam
>
> does
>
>>>give a choice of purchasing channels.
>>
>>damn it, you are so stupid... how many time do i need to write this
>>HALF-LIFE 2 IS NOT A PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT!
>>ITS A LIE!
>
>
> No, it's true, it is a proper retail packaged box DVD product. Would
> you like me to email you a photo of it? Or, you could go down to your
> local shop and they'll probably have it on the shelves. If you can't
> believe the evidence on the shop shelves, then it's you who is being
> stupid.
>

SayNO,
Why don't you just reword what you're saying
so it's what you mean? People have pointed out that
a boxed retail version of HL2 exists numerous times
and you still don't get it. You can buy boxed versions
of multiplayer games from retail stores and they are still
considered retail versions - "Properly Packaged" too. Of
course they also require internet connections. But that
doesn't mean they're not
"PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT."

You can't play the store bought version of HL2 out of the box.
You have to connect to Steam after you install the game
and wait for files to download or decrypt or do whatever they
do to make the game usable. And it's a bit more time consuming
than simple product activation, especially if you're on dialup.
Not a big deal if you play multiplayer games, but if you're
on dialup (like SayNO seems to be) and normally play only
single player games, the single player version of HL2 will
have extra hassle.

But that doesn't mean the boxed version of HL2 isn't a
"PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT."
SayNO, you might want "internet connection required, high
speed internet recommended, even for single player" to be
emblazoned in big letters across the front of the box,
but that's not going to happen. The best you can argue
is that the labelling is somewhat misleading.
Anonymous
March 30, 2005 7:00:14 AM

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mrlg wrote:
> SayNO,
> Why don't you just reword what you're saying
> so it's what you mean? People have pointed out that
> a boxed retail version of HL2 exists numerous times
> and you still don't get it. You can buy boxed versions
> of multiplayer games from retail stores and they are still
> considered retail versions - "Properly Packaged" too. Of
> course they also require internet connections. But that
> doesn't mean they're not
> "PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT."
>
> You can't play the store bought version of HL2 out of the box.
> You have to connect to Steam after you install the game
> and wait for files to download or decrypt or do whatever they
> do to make the game usable. And it's a bit more time consuming
> than simple product activation, especially if you're on dialup.
> Not a big deal if you play multiplayer games, but if you're
> on dialup (like SayNO seems to be) and normally play only
> single player games, the single player version of HL2 will
> have extra hassle.
>
> But that doesn't mean the boxed version of HL2 isn't a
> "PROPER RETAIL PACKAGED BOX CD/DVD PRODUCT."
> SayNO, you might want "internet connection required, high
> speed internet recommended, even for single player" to be
> emblazoned in big letters across the front of the box,
> but that's not going to happen. The best you can argue
> is that the labelling is somewhat misleading.

It might happen. I'm not sure what the outcome of the German legal
challenge was, but I agree with other posters who want the internet
requirement explained a little more clearly on the box. Doesn't need to
be in fluorescent lettering - just the same as the stuff that says
"This is an expansion pack and you need the original game to play it".
!