silent majority please speak out against steam

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silent majority please speak out against steam

this group has been oppressed and dominated by a very small minority
this very small minority has been supporting destructive monopolistic
valve plans for domination of us pc gamers and of the pc game market

i know for sure only a very small insignificant minority defends the
greedy arrogant monopolistic dictator called valve and his infecting
steam

the majority of pc gamers in this group are totally against steam and
know the only way to protect pc games is to fight it

i've been attacked by this minority since the beginning, since four
months ago when valve launched steam and i began fighting it in this
group

yesterday i had the support from Jim Vieira and i thank him very much
for doing so... today i'm only asking for 10 more others like him do
the same and show how much you are against steam and valve
i'm only asking for ten
i know there are at least a million more but i'm only asking as few as
ten to speak out

if i don't receive 10 follow-ups to this post with support for against
steam fight i'll go away for good from this group
so please don't let me go away cause i've been the best defender of pc
games in this group in the last 4 months!
it will be the usenet and pc games which will loose if i go away!
just look at the post i did today about costs in steam, no one does it
except me, if i go who will continue all the analyses i've been doing?

i'm not asking much!
i'm only asking for ten, let me repeat ten pc gamers from the silent
majority to speak out against steam and against valve
please join me and Jim Vieira!
please defend pc games!
fight against steam!
fight against valve!
show this group we are all together and united against steam!
only 10 replies with a "yes" i'm asking! 10!

i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies

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Chadwick wrote:

>
> So where do you place me now? Do you count this post as support?
>

I hope not

--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?

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AcCeSsDeNiEd wrote:
> You can count me in.
>
> I've been constantly bombarding alt.games.half-life on steam.
>
> Recently, I found out that valve has been possibly intruding into our
> privacy by forcing steam to send us updates.
>
> It seems to me that this minority posters you are talking about are
> either valve employees or die-hard valve cult worshipers.
>
> It's too simply too disgusting to know that are people who actually
> support steam! Almost unbelievable!
>

....and what have you done about it? Have you tried the forums at
Steampowered.com or submitted a bug report? Have you blocked it in your
firewall?


--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?

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"sayNO2steam [authentic]" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3p6i41d94in8oq8p0lam0choebumu3pjmt@4ax.com:

> silent majority please speak out against steam
>
> this group has been oppressed and dominated by a very small minority
> this very small minority has been supporting destructive monopolistic
> valve plans for domination of us pc gamers and of the pc game market
>
> i know for sure only a very small insignificant minority defends the
> greedy arrogant monopolistic dictator called valve and his infecting
> steam
>
> the majority of pc gamers in this group are totally against steam and
> know the only way to protect pc games is to fight it
>
> i've been attacked by this minority since the beginning, since four
> months ago when valve launched steam and i began fighting it in this
> group
>
> yesterday i had the support from Jim Vieira and i thank him very much
> for doing so... today i'm only asking for 10 more others like him do
> the same and show how much you are against steam and valve
> i'm only asking for ten
> i know there are at least a million more but i'm only asking as few as
> ten to speak out
>
> if i don't receive 10 follow-ups to this post with support for against
> steam fight i'll go away for good from this group
> so please don't let me go away cause i've been the best defender of pc
> games in this group in the last 4 months!
> it will be the usenet and pc games which will loose if i go away!
> just look at the post i did today about costs in steam, no one does it
> except me, if i go who will continue all the analyses i've been doing?
>
> i'm not asking much!
> i'm only asking for ten, let me repeat ten pc gamers from the silent
> majority to speak out against steam and against valve
> please join me and Jim Vieira!
> please defend pc games!
> fight against steam!
> fight against valve!
> show this group we are all together and united against steam!
> only 10 replies with a "yes" i'm asking! 10!
>
> i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies
>


does it count if you change your name again and post under that alias?

THIS POST IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF YOU

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:20:18 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
wrote:

>AcCeSsDeNiEd wrote:
>> You can count me in.
>>
>> I've been constantly bombarding alt.games.half-life on steam.
>>
>> Recently, I found out that valve has been possibly intruding into our
>> privacy by forcing steam to send us updates.
>>
>> It seems to me that this minority posters you are talking about are
>> either valve employees or die-hard valve cult worshipers.
>>
>> It's too simply too disgusting to know that are people who actually
>> support steam! Almost unbelievable!
>>
>
>...and what have you done about it? Have you tried the forums at
>Steampowered.com or submitted a bug report? Have you blocked it in your
>firewall?


Blocking with your firewall is not a final or ultimate solution. Plus
the man on the street does not have or know anything about fwalls.
It's not their fault.

My ass it's a bug!
It's a 'feature' included into steam by valve.

Privacy is not the only issue.
We cannot play our games when we want to!
Slow updates thru steam is another problem.
As I'm typing this post, my CS:source is stuck @ 99%.
Been stuck there for the last 4 hrs!
I can see that there is network activity.
It's just taking a god damn long time to update.

My posts on steam powered will probably end up being deleted.
I'm more comfortable posting on usenet which is not 'steam' or valve
controlled.




To e-mail, remove the obvious

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:16:51 +0100, "sayNO2steam [authentic]"
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>silent majority please speak out against steam
>
>this group has been oppressed and dominated by a very small minority

I'd say a minority of one except the word dominated implies control.

>this very small minority has been supporting destructive monopolistic
>valve plans for domination of us pc gamers and of the pc game market

Those evil brains down at Valve, forcing sayNO to be a pirate. I
don't know how we can stand the inhumainity of it all.

>i know there are at least a million more but i'm only asking as few as
>ten to speak out

LOL. At least a million? Even with a thousand lurkers for every
poster there aren't a million people reading your nonsense.

>if i don't receive 10 follow-ups to this post with support for against
>steam fight i'll go away for good from this group

Which group, you're posting to half a dozen here. If you mean all
of them, I'm all for it.

>it will be the usenet and pc games which will loose if i go away!

Talk about delusions of grandeur.

>just look at the post i did today about costs in steam, no one does it
>except me, if i go who will continue all the analyses i've been doing?

It's the same one you did before, as I recall not one single person
asked you to post such an inaccurate analysis and no one thanked you
either.

>only 10 replies with a "yes" i'm asking! 10!
>
>i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies

And here it comes, if he doesn't get his 10 I'm willing to bet that
one of two different things will happen
a) He claims this post was someone pretending to be him
b) He just waits for it to expire and comes back anyway

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sayNO2steam [authentic] wrote:

> silent majority please speak out against steam

If they are silent how do they speak?

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AcCeSsDeNiEd wrote:

> Blocking with your firewall is not a final or ultimate solution. Plus
> the man on the street does not have or know anything about fwalls.
> It's not their fault.

No - it's just a workaround - just trying to help you. Do you have a
firewall? Which one? Do you know how to block applications? If not
post here and someone will help.

> My ass it's a bug!
> It's a 'feature' included into steam by valve.

You may be right - may be wrong - I've no idea
>
> Privacy is not the only issue.
> We cannot play our games when we want to!

When updated block it with your firewall.

> Slow updates thru steam is another problem.
> As I'm typing this post, my CS:source is stuck @ 99%.
> Been stuck there for the last 4 hrs!

Delete the clientregistry.blob - this sounds like a corrupted d-load -
it happens. You'll find it works pretty quick after that - the latest
patches were quite small

> I can see that there is network activity.
> It's just taking a god damn long time to update.

Delete the above file from your game folder.
>
> My posts on steam powered will probably end up being deleted.
> I'm more comfortable posting on usenet which is not 'steam' or valve
> controlled.

OK but understand that you'll only get 'users' trying to help you - not
Valve.

--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?

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Shawk wrote:

> James Garvin wrote:
>
>> sayNO2steam [authentic] wrote:
>>
>>> silent majority please speak out against steam
>> If they are silent how do they speak?
> "mmmmmmp mmmnph mmmmpnph"

ROTFLMAO

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Johnny Bravo <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:t9aj41p45h9spmcitoasefop8rial4p1gs@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:16:51 +0100, "sayNO2steam [authentic]"
> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies
>
> Then we expect your final message sometime on 1 April 2005 when you
> annouce that you're leaving and not coming back.
>
> Or you could just tell the truth now, that at midnight on 31 March
> 2005 your news provider will start charging you .84 Euro ($1.09 US)
> per month and you can't afford it.
>

you noticed too then I posted above about that, unintentionally though i
pressed cancel.

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"sayNO2steam [authentic]" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> silent majority please speak out against steam
>
> this group has been oppressed and dominated by a very small minority
> this very small minority has been supporting destructive monopolistic
> valve plans for domination of us pc gamers and of the pc game market
>
> i know for sure only a very small insignificant minority defends the
> greedy arrogant monopolistic dictator called valve and his infecting
> steam
>
> the majority of pc gamers in this group are totally against steam and
> know the only way to protect pc games is to fight it
>
> i've been attacked by this minority since the beginning, since four
> months ago when valve launched steam and i began fighting it in this
> group
>
> yesterday i had the support from Jim Vieira and i thank him very much
> for doing so... today i'm only asking for 10 more others like him do
> the same and show how much you are against steam and valve
> i'm only asking for ten
> i know there are at least a million more but i'm only asking as few as
> ten to speak out
>
> if i don't receive 10 follow-ups to this post with support for against
> steam fight i'll go away for good from this group
> so please don't let me go away cause i've been the best defender of pc
> games in this group in the last 4 months!
> it will be the usenet and pc games which will loose if i go away!
> just look at the post i did today about costs in steam, no one does it
> except me, if i go who will continue all the analyses i've been doing?
>
> i'm not asking much!
> i'm only asking for ten, let me repeat ten pc gamers from the silent
> majority to speak out against steam and against valve
> please join me and Jim Vieira!
> please defend pc games!
> fight against steam!
> fight against valve!
> show this group we are all together and united against steam!
> only 10 replies with a "yes" i'm asking! 10!
>
> i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies
>

You want 10 "pc gamers" from the silent majority to speak out against
Steam. Are these suppose to be "true" pc gamers? You know, ones that
use WinXP, don't own a video game console, and buy every new title released
regardless of quality.

I wonder, how many folks visit the above listed newsgroup on a daily basis?
1, 10, 100, 1000, 100000, ...?

BTW I'd hate to see you go. I'm tempted to change my handle and post 10
anti-Steam messages. But I'm a console scum, which rhymes with Rebel scum,
and need to go play some Resident Evil!

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"sayNO2steam [pathetic]" wrote
> silent majority please speak out against steam

When someone mentions the 'Silent Majority' they always mean the 'Vociferous
Minority'.

We have it in the UK with the Mediawatch group.

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Johnny Bravo wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:16:51 +0100, "sayNO2steam [authentic]"
> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies
>
> Then we expect your final message sometime on 1 April 2005 when you
> annouce that you're leaving and not coming back.
>
> Or you could just tell the truth now, that at midnight on 31 March
> 2005 your news provider will start charging you .84 Euro ($1.09 US)
> per month and you can't afford it.
>

Ah... That explains it then. He did say something about having to
"invest" if he is to continue the Good Fight.

I say, save your cash, SayNO. Take your fight to the Steam forums or
even to Valve.

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sayNO2steam [authentic] wrote:

> if you ask me, my wish for that group would be dying like so many other
> newsgroups do in the usenet
>

....hmmm, I think it's going to take a little more than a jumped up, self
important, delusional, object of fun...


--
It's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion
taming in one go.
You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion
taming, say, via banking...

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Hello sayNO2steam,
just thought I'd help you a little with the vote-count. As of 15:08 on
the 30th of March, you have had 2 supporting posts*.

* I'm counting Pregnant Chad wicks "you decide if I support you" post
as being in support of you.

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"AcCeSsDeNiEd" wrote

> Ohh...that's a very easy way to trash the real problem here.

> You might as well divorce your wife/future wife because you had a fight
> the previous night.

Not a good analogy.

But I do think that if someone bought HL2 and genuinely didn't know about
its online activation until they installed it - they should be entitled to a
full refund.

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Vince wrote:
> "AcCeSsDeNiEd" wrote
>
> > Ohh...that's a very easy way to trash the real problem here.
>
> > You might as well divorce your wife/future wife because you had a
fight
> > the previous night.
>
> Not a good analogy.
>
> But I do think that if someone bought HL2 and genuinely didn't know
about
> its online activation until they installed it - they should be
entitled to a
> full refund.

Which is why it should be clearly explained on the box.
This also opens up the can of worms which is the issues of returning
opened software and EULAs, and this probably isn't the place to go into
it. I think we should let this thread stay on topic - namely whether
SayNO should pay for his posting rights after the end of the month.

If anyone wants to discuss ways of returning opened software once the
EULA, copy protection, Steam etc become known, then start a new thread.

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg Vince <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "AcCeSsDeNiEd" wrote
>
>> Ohh...that's a very easy way to trash the real problem here.
>
>> You might as well divorce your wife/future wife because you had a fight
>> the previous night.
>
> Not a good analogy.

Here's a better one:

You might as well decide not to marry someone simply because you hate her
guts.

> But I do think that if someone bought HL2 and genuinely didn't know about
> its online activation until they installed it - they should be entitled to a
> full refund.

In some countries they are.


mcv.

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:45:18 GMT, "Vince"
<vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>"OldDog" wrote
>
>> BTW I'd hate to see you go. I'm tempted to change my handle and post
>> 10
>> anti-Steam messages. But I'm a console scum, which rhymes with Rebel
>> scum,
>> and need to go play some Resident Evil!
>
>You need to work on your poetry.
>
>What about: "The boy stood on the burning deck...".
>

I wasn't attempting to write any poetry.

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Ok, this is the only time that I am going to write on this subject. I have
watched this debate for months with no desire to get involved. I don't
believe that my voice, or the voices of a few others will have any effect on
Valve/Steam's market strategy. Apparently the overwhelming majority of
posters on this group support Valve and Steam. I have no interest in
debating them or getting into a war with them. They must have an internet
connection fast enough to take advantage of the things that Steam offers. I
am simply not in the same boat and have no real choice in the matter. I live
pretty far from the nearest town, therefore DSL, Cable, or Wireless internet
is not available in my area. Also the phone lines are pretty old so my dial
up connection runs at a steady 26.4 Kbps. I don't see Satellite internet as
a viable option due to expense, FAP, and lack of online gaming. This means
that for me, on a fresh install of HL2 the updates take about 12-15 hours.
Buying a game online would probably take about a week to download. This is
simply too long to tie up my connection. If Valve/Steam would just allow
stand alone downloads rather than only online installs it would help
greatly. I could download them on a computer in town and transfer them to my
computer at home.

I loved HL2 and am still downloading SP maps (in town) and working my
through them.

Since Valve/Steam has abandoned the unconnected, or connection challenged
users, my future dollars and I'm guessing a few other peoples dollars,
euros, yen, etc. will be going on game platforms that are a bit more
friendly to us.

Mox





"sayNO2steam [authentic]" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> silent majority please speak out against steam
>
> this group has been oppressed and dominated by a very small minority
> this very small minority has been supporting destructive monopolistic
> valve plans for domination of us pc gamers and of the pc game market
>
> i know for sure only a very small insignificant minority defends the
> greedy arrogant monopolistic dictator called valve and his infecting
> steam
>
> the majority of pc gamers in this group are totally against steam and
> know the only way to protect pc games is to fight it
>
> i've been attacked by this minority since the beginning, since four
> months ago when valve launched steam and i began fighting it in this
> group
>
> yesterday i had the support from Jim Vieira and i thank him very much
> for doing so... today i'm only asking for 10 more others like him do
> the same and show how much you are against steam and valve
> i'm only asking for ten
> i know there are at least a million more but i'm only asking as few as
> ten to speak out
>
> if i don't receive 10 follow-ups to this post with support for against
> steam fight i'll go away for good from this group
> so please don't let me go away cause i've been the best defender of pc
> games in this group in the last 4 months!
> it will be the usenet and pc games which will loose if i go away!
> just look at the post i did today about costs in steam, no one does it
> except me, if i go who will continue all the analyses i've been doing?
>
> i'm not asking much!
> i'm only asking for ten, let me repeat ten pc gamers from the silent
> majority to speak out against steam and against valve
> please join me and Jim Vieira!
> please defend pc games!
> fight against steam!
> fight against valve!
> show this group we are all together and united against steam!
> only 10 replies with a "yes" i'm asking! 10!
>
> i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies
>
> --
> to check this post authenticity please read the thread "check for post
> authenticity" in this group and if you have any doubt please email me
> for further authenticity confirmation
>
> this post is copyright of myself and cannot be used in any way without
> my express permission with the only exception for being used to quote
> part of my post in a direct follow-up, without any change in original
> text
>
> post made in a steam-free computer
> i said "NO" to valve and steam
>
> against steam campaign
> http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/
>
> steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
> http://www.steamwatch.org/
>
> please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html
>
> what steam does to pc gamers in a million word worth picture:
> http://www.nforce.nl/forum/images/ [...] 26ef44.gif

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, "Mox 13" wrote:

> watched this debate for months with no desire to get involved. I don't

but you should have! we can't be quiet about things that damage us!
we must speak out about all the damage steam is doing to pc games

> believe that my voice, or the voices of a few others will have any effect on

yes you are only one pc gamer amount millions in the world but if every
single pc gamer mobilize the total will be enough to stand up against
valve and defend our rights

> posters on this group support Valve and Steam. I have no interest in

i don't agree and please don't be fooled by a few posters
the overwhelming majority is against steam! that's for sure!
only a very small insignificant but very fanatical group of gamers are in
favour of steam

> debating them or getting into a war with them. They must have an internet

this is not a debate about getting into war, cause war has already began!
this group has been in a civil war since november 2004 with gamers fighting
against other gamers and there is no turning back... war is happening now!

> connection fast enough to take advantage of the things that Steam offers. I

steam is not only about fast connections, its much more its about freedom its
about dignity, its about consumer rights
even if i had the fastest internet connection in the world i would still say
NO to steam and valve

> stand alone downloads rather than only online installs it would help

they will never do that cause what valve wants is power!
they don't give a damn about us
valve wants is control!
this is all about the paradigm shift valve is trying to force in pc games,
making then services! and making us enslaved!

> I loved HL2 and am still downloading SP maps (in town) and working my

its sad knowing you gave up, knowing you accepted steam, knowing you gave
valve money for their monopolistic and destructive plan

i will never ever play half-life 2 unless valve takes steam from it!
i will never ever accept steam!
i will never ever give money to valve unless they take away steam!

> users, my future dollars and I'm guessing a few other peoples dollars,

at least you will not accept any more steam based games... and that's good
please never stop defending your own rights as a consumer
we pc gamers are consumers and we have rights and we must defend them!
and your contribution is very important
if we all you and me and every other pc gamer join forces against valve,
we will win!

i will keep my word and do what i promised in this thread
yes i have a problem with tomorrow my news server cutting me access to the
usenet but i would like to continue reading this group to be informed but
the kind of posting i've been making since late last year that i will stop
i didn't have the support i asked so its not worth doing it more in this
group... in a way i'm sad, but i'm convinced it only happened cause this
group is being dominated by a very small fanatical valve cult group of pc
gamers those with a distorted and elitist view about pc games

but the real fight will not be done in here...
the real fight has been happening out there were true pc gamers buy and
play and install and patch pc games... there you will see me fighting and
there i'm sure steam will die, and valve will fail and be defeated

--
post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam

against steam campaign
http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/

steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html

what steam does to pc gamers in a million word worth picture:
http://www.nforce.nl/forum/images/ [...] 26ef44.gif

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peter.aghl@gmail.com wrote:
> Well written articles with decents arguments (and without foul
> language) has never started a flamewar in AGHL
>
> Here take 50 points for being a decent chap
> Welcome to AGHL

And here's 50 from me for the same reason.
I'm in the other boat, the one with the 1gb broadband connection
(although I only had 512k when I installed HL2 and it worked fine) but
I agree with what Mox says.

Valve has decided to focus on gamers with decent internet connections.
They obviously reckon there's enough of them out there who will buy
Valve's games. I'm guessing that Steam's restrictions on lending or
reselling the game go some way to offset the loss of non-broadband
customers (ie. more people will have to buy the game instead of
borrowing it from a pal), and the additional revenue from direct
(Steam)sales will also narrow that gap. Ultimately, Valve reckon
there's enough money in that market to make it worthwhile investing in
Steam and alienating some people.

At the end of the day, it's just a game to us, but it's Gabe Newell's
salary and reputation. He's got more to lose than any of us, so I
presume he's done his sums right.

>From Valve's point of view, they've already discounted anyone without
the necessary internet connection, so voting with your wallet and not
buying HL2 won't make much difference to them - it wasn't a vote they
expected to have anyway.

Valve might be persueded to make some changes if enough people tell
them that they would have bought the game but for Steam. Valve might
redo their sums and realise they can make more money by changing Steam
so that these other potential purchasers will buy into it next time
round.

That is why I understand SayNO trying to drum up support on this forum.
However, so far that support has been lukewarm. Even this last call to
arms has got only a couple of positive responses. It's tempted one
lurker (Mox) into the open, but he's asked not to get involved. So
maybe there isn't a silent majority after all?

But let's not prejudge the outcome of this thread. There's still 8
hours to go... And someone's already mentioned Florida 2000 and the
Chads, so don't hold your breath at midnight....

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OK, I'll count your vote as #3, although in my humble opinion I think
you may be confusing people who are against sayNO2steam with people who
are for Steam.
IMO nothing has done more to suppress criticism against steam in this
newsgroup than difools/sayNO2steams raving; this newsgroup was firmly
against until he started his crusade.

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:34:04 GMT, "Mox 13" <nospam@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Ok, this is the only time that I am going to write on this subject. I have
>watched this debate for months with no desire to get involved. I don't
>believe that my voice, or the voices of a few others will have any effect on
>Valve/Steam's market strategy.

You'd be surprised at how one voice can make a difference. And for
those that have any issue with Steam, they should be sending letters
to Valve HQ.

While posting in here is interesting and provides some insite into
other peoples concerns, I'm not sure anyone from Valve is in here.

> Apparently the overwhelming majority of
>posters on this group support Valve and Steam.
> I have no interest in
>debating them or getting into a war with them. They must have an internet
>connection fast enough to take advantage of the things that Steam offers. I
>am simply not in the same boat and have no real choice in the matter. I live
>pretty far from the nearest town, therefore DSL, Cable, or Wireless internet
>is not available in my area.

My local newspaper had an article on hi-speed connections. South
Korea has something like 80% of users with hi-speed, and they get
around 5mbs downloads.

Whereas in the US it's only around 30% and they get 3mbs downloads.
30%? I would think that a lot of gamers in the US would be sending
off letters to Valve HQ.


> Also the phone lines are pretty old so my dial
>up connection runs at a steady 26.4 Kbps. I don't see Satellite internet as
>a viable option due to expense, FAP, and lack of online gaming. This means
>that for me, on a fresh install of HL2 the updates take about 12-15 hours.
>Buying a game online would probably take about a week to download. This is
>simply too long to tie up my connection. If Valve/Steam would just allow
>stand alone downloads rather than only online installs it would help
>greatly. I could download them on a computer in town and transfer them to my
>computer at home.
>

Are you talking about d/l the files in town and then burning them to a
CD? But even then, there's still many other gamers like in the US
that probably don't have the same access to a hi-speed connection that
you do.

If Valve sticks with Steam, they really need to find a work around for
'all' modem users. Whether its to order the update via CD/DVD, or
provide the updates in gaming magazines, thru 3rd party, ....

>I loved HL2 and am still downloading SP maps (in town) and working my
>through them.
>
>Since Valve/Steam has abandoned the unconnected, or connection challenged
>users, my future dollars and I'm guessing a few other peoples dollars,
>euros, yen, etc. will be going on game platforms that are a bit more
>friendly to us.
>
>Mox
>
>
>,snip>

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sayNO2steam [authentic] wrote:
> i'll wait until thursday march 31 2005 for those 10 replies


..... as I write, it is the morning of Friday 1st April...

....all is quiet on the western front...

.... has this been an elaborate April Fools Day joke?
.... is SayNO actually playing bass to Gabe's lead guitar?
.... or is he waiting to pounce...?

.... there is a clock ticking in the background, marking out the
seconds, that will become minutes and then hours. How long wil this
eerie silence last, broken only by the slow tick... tock... of the
clock?

.... I wait...

....tick...

....tock...

....