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Anonymous
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September 4, 2004 2:50:54 PM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win2000.setup (More info?)

Hi. For starters, I made a Drive Image backup of my boot partition,
which I was able to restore, so everything is fine and my computer is
OK. Now, why is it that whenever I try to do anything on my Win2k
system with Partition Magic 8, which usually requires booting to DOS,
whether I am modifying a boot partition or just a regular data
partition, after rebooting my machine will not boot? You would think
after 3 times I would get the message that it just isn't going to
work. But why?

Even if I try running a 2000 repair from the recovery console, it
still won't boot. Even if I try booting from a boot floppy, which I
know has worked in the past, it still won't boot. The only thing that
works is restoring the partition from a Drive Image.

By not booting, what I mean is that:
1) the machine gets to the part where it checks the CD and floppy for
boot stuff, and then just sits there blinking. No message, no nothing.
2) If I try to boot from my Win2000 boot floppy, it tells me it can't
find ntoskrnl.exe.
3) Using a bootmagic rescue disk will see the partition, and I can
tell it to make it bootable, but upon rebooting it just does #1 above.

I can understand sorta why resizing my boot partition might be
related, since it is the boot partition. But even resizing a data
partition, which I would think would have nothing to do with the boot
partition, even that results in my system not booting afterwards. I am
not using bootmagic, and do not have a drive overlay of any type.
Anyone understand what is going on?

Thanks,
Irwin
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 4, 2004 4:58:48 PM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win2000.setup (More info?)

Irwin Feuerstein wrote:
> Hi. For starters, I made a Drive Image backup of my boot partition,
> which I was able to restore, so everything is fine and my computer is
> OK. Now, why is it that whenever I try to do anything on my Win2k
> system with Partition Magic 8, which usually requires booting to DOS,
> whether I am modifying a boot partition or just a regular data
> partition, after rebooting my machine will not boot? You would think
> after 3 times I would get the message that it just isn't going to
> work. But why?
>
> Even if I try running a 2000 repair from the recovery console, it
> still won't boot. Even if I try booting from a boot floppy, which I
> know has worked in the past, it still won't boot. The only thing that
> works is restoring the partition from a Drive Image.
>
> By not booting, what I mean is that:
> 1) the machine gets to the part where it checks the CD and floppy for
> boot stuff, and then just sits there blinking. No message, no nothing.
> 2) If I try to boot from my Win2000 boot floppy, it tells me it can't
> find ntoskrnl.exe.
> 3) Using a bootmagic rescue disk will see the partition, and I can
> tell it to make it bootable, but upon rebooting it just does #1 above.
>
> I can understand sorta why resizing my boot partition might be
> related, since it is the boot partition. But even resizing a data
> partition, which I would think would have nothing to do with the boot
> partition, even that results in my system not booting afterwards. I am
> not using bootmagic, and do not have a drive overlay of any type.
> Anyone understand what is going on?
>
> Thanks,
> Irwin

(detected crossposting -- suggest single group post next time!)

Greetings Irwin,

It has been my experience that no matter what version of "Partition
Magic" that people I talk to and read reports from keep saying Partition
Magic couldn't do this or that.

I don't think Partition Magic works as well as they advertized. I've
resized one partition using a freeware utility (presizer.exe - a
dos-based application to do same) that even remarks the blocks and
stuff. I use Symantec/Norton Ghost for my imaging needs.

I don't mean to be bad news, but you may just need to loose Partition
Magic. I've never heard anything good about their product.

Good Luck.
TJ
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 4, 2004 9:47:59 PM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win2000.setup (More info?)

Tim Judd wrote:

> Irwin Feuerstein wrote:
>> Hi. For starters, I made a Drive Image backup of my boot partition,
>> which I was able to restore, so everything is fine and my computer is
>> OK. Now, why is it that whenever I try to do anything on my Win2k
>> system with Partition Magic 8, which usually requires booting to DOS,
>> whether I am modifying a boot partition or just a regular data
>> partition, after rebooting my machine will not boot? You would think
>> after 3 times I would get the message that it just isn't going to
>> work. But why?
>>
>> Even if I try running a 2000 repair from the recovery console, it
>> still won't boot. Even if I try booting from a boot floppy, which I
>> know has worked in the past, it still won't boot. The only thing that
>> works is restoring the partition from a Drive Image.
>>
>> By not booting, what I mean is that:
>> 1) the machine gets to the part where it checks the CD and floppy for
>> boot stuff, and then just sits there blinking. No message, no nothing.
>> 2) If I try to boot from my Win2000 boot floppy, it tells me it can't
>> find ntoskrnl.exe.
>> 3) Using a bootmagic rescue disk will see the partition, and I can
>> tell it to make it bootable, but upon rebooting it just does #1 above.

The basic problem is that it moved ntoskrnl.exe somewhere where the boot
loader can't find it. Sounds like it moved the boot loader somewhere where
the system can't find it as well.

>> I can understand sorta why resizing my boot partition might be
>> related, since it is the boot partition. But even resizing a data
>> partition, which I would think would have nothing to do with the boot
>> partition, even that results in my system not booting afterwards. I am
>> not using bootmagic, and do not have a drive overlay of any type.
>> Anyone understand what is going on?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Irwin
>
> (detected crossposting -- suggest single group post next time!)

Why? Crossposting exists for exactly this purpose. He's got a win2k setup
problem related to the disk system--seems to me that he crossposted to the
two places most likely to get him the help he wants. If Norton or Symantec
or Powerquest had newsgroups those would also be appropriate crossposts.

Crossposting was created to avoid duplication of effort by letting everyone
see if a response has already been posted and to promote
cross-fertilization of ideas by encouraging contributions by people from
different interest groups on topics relevant to several groups. It is
abused by trolls who crosspost to groups whose members he knows will argue
with each other but that does not mean that it should not be used when the
post is on topic for all groups.

> Greetings Irwin,
>
> It has been my experience that no matter what version of "Partition
> Magic" that people I talk to and read reports from keep saying Partition
> Magic couldn't do this or that.

Partition magic started to go to Hell the day they quit using the OS/2 boot
manager. I'm inclined to agree with your assessment.

> I don't think Partition Magic works as well as they advertized. I've
> resized one partition using a freeware utility (presizer.exe - a
> dos-based application to do same) that even remarks the blocks and
> stuff. I use Symantec/Norton Ghost for my imaging needs.

As opposed to Symantec Norton Partition Magic 8? Before you flame, check
the Symantec site.

> I don't mean to be bad news, but you may just need to loose Partition
> Magic. I've never heard anything good about their product.

Probably a good idea.

> Good Luck.
> TJ

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 5, 2004 11:23:38 AM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage (More info?)

HiYa

In article <ustW2ErkEHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, Tim Judd

>
>It has been my experience that no matter what version of "Partition
>Magic" that people I talk to and read reports from keep saying Partition
>Magic couldn't do this or that.
>
>I don't think Partition Magic works as well as they advertized. I've
>resized one partition using a freeware utility (presizer.exe - a
>dos-based application to do same) that even remarks the blocks and
>stuff. I use Symantec/Norton Ghost for my imaging needs.
>
>I don't mean to be bad news, but you may just need to loose Partition
>Magic. I've never heard anything good about their product.

just so as you've heard one good bit

I've tried for a while with no succes using Ghost to image and restore my
laptop HD in a friends desktop. just wouldn't do it

tried every switch, this and that, the whole gig .. no go

a friend suggested powerquest was used at his office, so I tried powerquest,
and with everything on default, it just did the job, no hassles

IBM x20 IBM travelstar 20Gb disk to Fujitsu 30Gb disk (ntfs to ntfs)

using an aOpen Pentium 4 vintage motherboard win98 bootdisk and a Hitachi
Deskstar 120Gb disk as the desktop config

everyone loves Ghost, but my personal experience is that it just won't do it
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 5, 2004 1:50:53 PM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage (More info?)

Actually, I have been using partition magic for years, and most of my
results have been great. Just lately it hasn't been working. Could it
be that Norton took it over? Does anybody think going back to an older
version would work?

Irwin


cjundieseastwood@powerup.com.au (obakesan) wrote in message news:<413abd3f$0$27217$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au>...
> HiYa
>
> In article <ustW2ErkEHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, Tim Judd
>
> >
> >It has been my experience that no matter what version of "Partition
> >Magic" that people I talk to and read reports from keep saying Partition
> >Magic couldn't do this or that.
> >
> >I don't think Partition Magic works as well as they advertized. I've
> >resized one partition using a freeware utility (presizer.exe - a
> >dos-based application to do same) that even remarks the blocks and
> >stuff. I use Symantec/Norton Ghost for my imaging needs.
> >
> >I don't mean to be bad news, but you may just need to loose Partition
> >Magic. I've never heard anything good about their product.
>
> just so as you've heard one good bit
>
> I've tried for a while with no succes using Ghost to image and restore my
> laptop HD in a friends desktop. just wouldn't do it
>
> tried every switch, this and that, the whole gig .. no go
>
> a friend suggested powerquest was used at his office, so I tried powerquest,
> and with everything on default, it just did the job, no hassles
>
> IBM x20 IBM travelstar 20Gb disk to Fujitsu 30Gb disk (ntfs to ntfs)
>
> using an aOpen Pentium 4 vintage motherboard win98 bootdisk and a Hitachi
> Deskstar 120Gb disk as the desktop config
>
> everyone loves Ghost, but my personal experience is that it just won't do it
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 5, 2004 2:34:22 PM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage (More info?)

obakesan wrote:

> HiYa
>
> In article <ustW2ErkEHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, Tim Judd
>
>>
>>It has been my experience that no matter what version of "Partition
>>Magic" that people I talk to and read reports from keep saying Partition
>>Magic couldn't do this or that.
>>
>>I don't think Partition Magic works as well as they advertized. I've
>>resized one partition using a freeware utility (presizer.exe - a
>>dos-based application to do same) that even remarks the blocks and
>>stuff. I use Symantec/Norton Ghost for my imaging needs.
>>
>>I don't mean to be bad news, but you may just need to loose Partition
>>Magic. I've never heard anything good about their product.
>
> just so as you've heard one good bit
>
> I've tried for a while with no succes using Ghost to image and restore my
> laptop HD in a friends desktop. just wouldn't do it
>
> tried every switch, this and that, the whole gig .. no go
>
> a friend suggested powerquest was used at his office, so I tried
> powerquest, and with everything on default, it just did the job, no
> hassles
>
> IBM x20 IBM travelstar 20Gb disk to Fujitsu 30Gb disk (ntfs to ntfs)
>
> using an aOpen Pentium 4 vintage motherboard win98 bootdisk and a Hitachi
> Deskstar 120Gb disk as the desktop config
>
> everyone loves Ghost, but my personal experience is that it just won't do
> it

Drive Image works fine, it's Partition Magic that's the bad boy. One
wonders if Symantec is going to fix it or break it worse. Pity the SEC let
that one go through.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 5, 2004 11:01:31 PM

Archived from groups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage (More info?)

> cjundieseastwood@powerup.com.au (obakesan) wrote in message
> news:<413abd3f$0$27217$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au>...
>> HiYa
>>
>> In article <ustW2ErkEHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, Tim Judd
>>
>>>
>>> It has been my experience that no matter what version of "Partition
>>> Magic" that people I talk to and read reports from keep saying
>>> Partition Magic couldn't do this or that.
>>>
>>> I don't think Partition Magic works as well as they advertized.
>>> I've resized one partition using a freeware utility (presizer.exe -
>>> a dos-based application to do same) that even remarks the blocks and
>>> stuff. I use Symantec/Norton Ghost for my imaging needs.
>>>
>>> I don't mean to be bad news, but you may just need to loose
>>> Partition Magic. I've never heard anything good about their
>>> product.
>>
>> just so as you've heard one good bit
>>
>> I've tried for a while with no succes using Ghost to image and
>> restore my laptop HD in a friends desktop. just wouldn't do it
>>
>> tried every switch, this and that, the whole gig .. no go
>>
>> a friend suggested powerquest was used at his office, so I tried
>> powerquest, and with everything on default, it just did the job, no
>> hassles
>>
>> IBM x20 IBM travelstar 20Gb disk to Fujitsu 30Gb disk (ntfs to ntfs)
>>
>> using an aOpen Pentium 4 vintage motherboard win98 bootdisk and a
>> Hitachi Deskstar 120Gb disk as the desktop config
>>
>> everyone loves Ghost, but my personal experience is that it just
>> won't do it

Irwin Feuerstein wrote:
> Actually, I have been using partition magic for years, and most of my
> results have been great. Just lately it hasn't been working. Could it
> be that Norton took it over? Does anybody think going back to an older
> version would work?
>
> Irwin
>
No, PowerQuest PartitionMagic 8.0 and Norton PartitionMagic 8.0 are the very
same products that solely have different names...;o)
The current release, at least here in Europe, is version 8.0(1). I know in
the US and Canada you have a version 8.02 that comes a mandatory activation
procedure.

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