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Mathematicians Calculate 10 Trillion Digits of Pi With Xeons

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November 12, 2011 5:14:19 AM

After so many Bulldozer world records a nice one from Intel :) 
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November 12, 2011 5:17:01 AM

And the point?

They could have folded for the cure.
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November 12, 2011 5:23:39 AM

I wonder if this scales linearly, would adding two more processors cut the time in half?
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November 12, 2011 5:36:53 AM

and how it compared to the gpu? would compute it too with more lesser time?
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November 12, 2011 5:37:32 AM

Are they hoping that when they get to something daft like 100 trillion digits is stops recurring and becomes a fixed number?
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November 12, 2011 5:45:40 AM

What a useless use of such a computing power. Might as well make a heater out of those Xeon machines for my dog.
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November 12, 2011 5:50:14 AM

Another calculation...... that's not to anyone's use..... plus the amount of electricity they wasted calculating that crap, they could have easily folded those 2 processors and got a good number on the folding list atleast helping someone calculate something more meaningful and helpful.
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November 12, 2011 6:01:39 AM

Why would I want to download 1.91 TB of just numbers
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Anonymous
November 12, 2011 6:09:21 AM

"waa its not helpful, you should use it for curing blahblah disease"

stfu. without scientific and mathematical advances, you wouldn't be able to 'fold' at all. this is a mathematical advancement, which will lead to more accurate scientific measurements. if we followed your logic, we'd still be creating scientific ways to determine if someone is a witch.
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November 12, 2011 6:14:19 AM

- Two Intel Xeon Hexa Core server CPUs: $ 7600.00
- 96 Giga Bytes of DDR3 RAM: $ 2970.00
- 2 TB of Harddrive, Xeon Dual Socket Motherboard and Power Supply: $1100.00
- CALCULATING PIE TO 10 TRILLION DIGITS in 371 days: PRICELESS!!!!!!
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November 12, 2011 6:28:37 AM

if they used two bulldozer fxes to count those pi numbers they would have
melt all of north pole then vaporize all the water.
raised global warming by 11c.
provided heating for all of siberia.
helped cook world's largest cpu powered pizza oven.
made human torch blush.
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November 12, 2011 6:37:50 AM

What a waste...
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November 12, 2011 6:42:36 AM

Parsian- Two Intel Xeon Hexa Core server CPUs: $ 7600.00- 96 Giga Bytes of DDR3 RAM: $ 2970.00- 2 TB of Harddrive, Xeon Dual Socket Motherboard and Power Supply: $1100.00- CALCULATING PIE TO 10 TRILLION DIGITS in 371 days: PRICELESS!!!!!!


And my version of this is...

- Two Intel Xeon Hexa Core server CPUs: $ 7600.00- 96 Giga Bytes of DDR3 RAM: $ 2970.00- 2 TB of Harddrive, Xeon Dual Socket Motherboard and Power Supply: $1100.00- CALCULATING PIE TO 10 TRILLION DIGITS in 371 days: USELESS!!!!!!
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November 12, 2011 6:49:01 AM

To the average person, these calculations are worthless... but to a mathematician working at NASA they are a gold mine... I guess... But I would assume that NASA would get the same number faster from their own supercomputers...
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November 12, 2011 7:36:39 AM

I swear a CUDA capable GPU would crunch much more then that in the same time frame.
In the end it would all still be useless to us lol.
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November 12, 2011 7:37:08 AM

Quote:
And my version of this is...

- Two Intel Xeon Hexa Core server CPUs: $ 7600.00- 96 Giga Bytes of DDR3 RAM: $ 2970.00- 2 TB of Harddrive, Xeon Dual Socket Motherboard and Power Supply: $1100.00- CALCULATING PIE TO 10 TRILLION DIGITS in 371 days: USELESS!!!!!!


And my version of this is...

- Two Intel Xeon Hexa Core server CPUs: $ 7600.00- 96 Giga Bytes of DDR3 RAM: $ 2970.00- 24 2 TB of Harddrive $ 5759.00, Xeon Dual Socket Motherboard and Power Supply: $1100.00- Having the Biggest slice of pie: PRICELESS!!!!!!
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November 12, 2011 7:39:10 AM

i was just saying to my self the price of hard drives has gone thru the roof!
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November 12, 2011 7:49:30 AM

BlackHawk91Why would I want to download 1.91 TB of just numbers

Imagine the size uncompressed!
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November 12, 2011 8:20:32 AM

chuck norris counted over 50 trillion digits of pi by counting the number of facial hair he has.
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November 12, 2011 9:04:29 AM

Actually it is not so much about the calculation of pi as it is about measuring the numerical and computational capabilities of the hardware. We sure want to be able to trust that the hardware is computing even more "meaningful" things correctly. Calculation of pi is a commonly used benchmark tool for measuring hardware in this regard.
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November 12, 2011 9:16:35 AM

theTwiz"waa its not helpful, you should use it for curing blahblah disease"stfu. without scientific and mathematical advances, you wouldn't be able to 'fold' at all. this is a mathematical advancement, which will lead to more accurate scientific measurements. if we followed your logic, we'd still be creating scientific ways to determine if someone is a witch.


actually, this is a complete waste.

remember, pi is used to calculate how round a circle is. in reality, there is no such thing as a perfect circle, and that number would end, but this is a theoretical number.

take a look at a cars pistons, as a common example, i beleive that we are more than close enough there, and in a more scientific view, they always account for a margin of error. lets say this was needed land something on mars, the margin of error that they calculate would make such a precise number pointless.

this is a pointless waste of resources, and almost any application of the power would have been better.
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November 12, 2011 9:23:37 AM

Parsian2 TB of Harddrive


24 2TB HDDs = 48TB. :p 
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November 12, 2011 9:36:39 AM

So these two processors are used 371 days plus the 45 days of data verification with a 100% of workload?? i dont think so.

How much was the power consumption during the whole process, someone measured that??

But beside that, nice job guys.
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November 12, 2011 9:56:20 AM

I bet every one of those mathematicians wasted even more resources on incontinence pads....Sorry, piPads
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November 12, 2011 10:24:25 AM

10,000,000,000,000.00

A "1" with 13 "0"'s look more like this ^
I even added a decimal "." and 2 more "00"'s

and I even save a lot of trees that would have been used on all that paper wasted.
Now just send me the check :) 
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November 12, 2011 10:27:16 AM

psp09So these two processors are used 371 days plus the 45 days of data verification with a 100% of workload?? i dont think so.How much was the power consumption during the whole process, someone measured that??But beside that, nice job guys.


Hehe sorry guys 45 hours instead days.
Anyway a lot of time.
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Anonymous
November 12, 2011 10:40:02 AM

is that the god number? 3.14 is never be a correct number after all these years no one can figure it out. if 3.14 is not a correct is just wasting time to keep measure it with more computer power. it will never end.
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November 12, 2011 11:21:58 AM

I hope this shows that Xeon and i7...not the same
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November 12, 2011 12:01:04 PM

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And the point?


The point is... you can now draw a circle with a 10 trillionth accuracy.
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November 12, 2011 12:09:11 PM

intel4evaretardeda 2600K at 5Ghz does 1 million digits of pi (using super pi) in less than 8 seconds.8 seconds ~ 1Million digits80000 seconds ~10Billion digits80000 seconds is approximately 22 hours.This is on one modern processor overclocked to 5Ghz which is doable on air.The question is what took these morons 371 days? (longer than a year)


Right, so firstly they got to 10 trillion, not 10 billion. By your calculations, that'd take nearly 3 years.

Secondly, Super Pi is an awfully inefficient and single threaded program. I'm betting that what these guys are using isn't.

Thirdly, I wouldn't expect this to scale linearly. When the finished file is 4TB, it's going to be a lot harder to handle than a SuperPi result using next to no memory.

Fourthly, an overclocked 2600k wouldn't be suitable. They have to be far surer about accuracy than anything other than a platform with stock speeds and ECC memory can provide.
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November 12, 2011 12:10:53 PM

Some people think there's a message from God buried deep within certain irrational numbers, such as within Pi's digits. For example, IIRC in Carl Sagan's book "Contact", there's a scene where some mathematics researcher finds that when you arrange the 10^12 digits of Pi in a 12 x 12 lattice, the zeros form a perfect circle. Other messages buried even deeper. The concept is similar to Arthur C. Clarke's "Sentinel" (which he later expanded into the script for "2001: A Space Odessy") - a higher intelligence places a message somewhere that requires humans to achieve a certain level of technology to reach it. In Sentinel, the message was placed in a mountain on the Moon, thus requiring space travel ability. Finding messages in Pi requires computational ability.

Not that I personally believe any of this :p ..
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November 12, 2011 12:24:53 PM

alidanactually, this is a complete waste.remember, pi is used to calculate how round a circle is. in reality, there is no such thing as a perfect circle, and that number would end, but this is a theoretical number. take a look at a cars pistons, as a common example, i beleive that we are more than close enough there, and in a more scientific view, they always account for a margin of error. lets say this was needed land something on mars, the margin of error that they calculate would make such a precise number pointless. this is a pointless waste of resources, and almost any application of the power would have been better.

Any circle is perfectly round. Your misunderstanding of what number pi is just astounds me.

Calculation of pi is interesting for mathematics because it's the only constant that doesn't have repeating decimal part. All others have certain string of numbers that repeat over and over after decimal point.
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November 12, 2011 12:44:10 PM

so what is the 10 trillionth digit?
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November 12, 2011 1:01:34 PM

BlackHawk91Why would I want to download 1.91 TB of just numbers

That just made my day, i totally LOL'd when i read that. =D
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November 12, 2011 1:13:24 PM

I agree that it is technically impressive when inexpensive off-the-shelf equipment can perform such calculations that were explicitly in the super computer domain - which draws far, far more power so the way I see it they are actually SAVING energy!

To the above comment calling this feat "retarded' and the people "morons", even if your 2600K scaled linearly by the next 1000X (to 10 TRILLION) which it will NOT, you would have 22 hours * 1000 = 2.5+ years. Try running SuperPi to 1 Billion digits and you'll start to see how it's not linear. Good luck!!

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November 12, 2011 2:14:44 PM

just prove that if you assign great minds to do trivial tasks, you would get great trivial results
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November 12, 2011 3:23:36 PM

hetneoAny circle is perfectly round. Your misunderstanding of what number pi is just astounds me.Calculation of pi is interesting for mathematics because it's the only constant that doesn't have repeating decimal part. All others have certain string of numbers that repeat over and over after decimal point.

pi is not the only constant that doesnt have a repeating decimal, e does not either. The significance in more accurate digits in pi isnt huge, but it does play a role in many things in physics should they choose to use it in their models.
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November 12, 2011 3:52:51 PM

hetneoAny circle is perfectly round. Your misunderstanding of what number pi is just astounds me.Calculation of pi is interesting for mathematics because it's the only constant that doesn't have repeating decimal part. All others have certain string of numbers that repeat over and over after decimal point.


Actually there are an infinite number of constants (aka numbers) that don't have repeating strings after the decimal point - the so-called irrational numbers. Not 'irrational' in the sense that they don't make sense, but in the sense that they cannot be expressed as the ratio (irrational) of two integers - one integer divided by another. For example, the square root of two, of three, of five, etc. Also the base of the natural logarithms - "e".

The set of rational + irrational numbers = the 'real' numbers, from minus infinity to plus infinity. And if we go planar instead of linear, we get the complex numbers which is a real number part plus an imaginary part (a real multiplied by the square root of -1, aka "i"): a +bi, where a and b are real numbers.

And before anybody says irrational or real or complex numbers are useless in ordinary day-to-day life, just remember that anytime you use a radio or TV or iPod or cellphone or whatever communications-type electronics device, they were designed in part using Fourier or Laplace transforms for their frequency response, which are calculated using complex numbers (esp. the inverse Laplace).

Just remember this - you can barely do anything today, except maybe poop in the woods, without using something having mathematics involved in its design :p 
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November 12, 2011 4:23:35 PM

fazers_on_stunActually there are an infinite number of constants (aka numbers) that don't have repeating strings after the decimal point - the so-called irrational numbers. Not 'irrational' in the sense that they don't make sense, but in the sense that they cannot be expressed as the ratio (irrational) of two integers - one integer divided by another. For example, the square root of two, of three, of five, etc. Also the base of the natural logarithms - "e". The set of rational + irrational numbers = the 'real' numbers, from minus infinity to plus infinity. And if we go planar instead of linear, we get the complex numbers which is a real number part plus an imaginary part (a real multiplied by the square root of -1, aka "i"): a +bi, where a and b are real numbers. And before anybody says irrational or real or complex numbers are useless in ordinary day-to-day life, just remember that anytime you use a radio or TV or iPod or cellphone or whatever communications-type electronics device, they were designed in part using Fourier or Laplace transforms for their frequency response, which are calculated using complex numbers (esp. the inverse Laplace). Just remember this - you can barely do anything today, except maybe poop in the woods, without using something having mathematics involved in its design

thank god for this...the misinformation about maths in the comments section was surprising...
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November 12, 2011 4:25:48 PM

oh and, just to mess with you lot some more, pi^2=magnitude acceleration due to gravity on the earth's surface (g).
:p 
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November 12, 2011 4:26:54 PM

If someone memorizes all 10 trillion digits, and then recites them at 3 digits per second, it would take them about 105,699.3 years to recite them all.
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Anonymous
November 12, 2011 4:28:40 PM

who's retarded ?
8 seconds ~ 1Million digits
80000 seconds ~10Billion digits
80000 seconds is approximately 22 hours.

yeah but they've done more than 10 bilion, it's 10 trillion
2.87 billion sheets X 3500 digits per sheets =10 trillion
so it's 22 hours X 1000 = 916 days for your 5ghz machine

also, superpi is a reference as a fiable/CPU intensive benchmark. it's not the fastest Pi calculation soft.
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Anonymous
November 12, 2011 4:36:28 PM

My iPhone 6 will do it faster, it's optimised for Pi calculation
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Anonymous
November 12, 2011 4:45:29 PM

Do your math. According to what you said, if it takes 8 seconds to calculate a million digits, then it takes 8000 seconds to calculate a billion, and 8 million seconds to calculate a trillion, so it's 80 million seconds to calculate the 10 Trillion digits.
80.000.000 seconds = 925 days
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November 12, 2011 4:46:44 PM

fazers_on_stun: You forgot to mention quaternions ans octonions ;) 
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November 12, 2011 5:23:26 PM

@fazers_on_stun...Just remember this - you can barely do anything today, except maybe poop in the woods, without using something having mathematics involved in its design

In fact i does make use of it the pop will need a space to be deposited a volume to fill,a force to get expelled(lol),etc,etc....
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November 12, 2011 5:40:09 PM

"stfu. without scientific and mathematical advances, you wouldn't be able to 'fold' "

-1 for being a real douche
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November 12, 2011 8:44:34 PM

intel4evaretardeda 2600K at 5Ghz does 1 million digits of pi (using super pi) in less than 8 seconds.8 seconds ~ 1Million digits80000 seconds ~10Billion digits80000 seconds is approximately 22 hours.This is on one modern processor overclocked to 5Ghz which is doable on air.The question is what took these morons 371 days? (longer than a year)

It's 10 trillion
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November 12, 2011 8:59:36 PM

If they sell those 2TB drives on ebay now, they might recoup a good portion of their expenses, considering current flood prices.
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